Asteroid Pandemonium

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Einar Nerman

“…Asteroid 4450 Pan brings something very earthy, very natural to any planet or point he touches. He’s no “Victorian” when it comes to sensations and sensual pleasure. Pan brings a link with the instinctual nature and couples it with a kind of wily pleasure. On the Ascendant, Pan gives the body robust strength, added libido and sharp instinct. He is raw and vital and knows nature’s ways. He is a seducer of the innocent, and the knowledgeable as well. He is one hell of a romp, metaphorical or otherwise. He is natural and fertile—a nature spirit, instinctual, rustic, sexual, potent. He is not shy. He is not a child. Pan loves music and dance, reverie, sex and celebration. When conjunct a personal planet, these traits and talents may come
to the foreground…”  

The above is my gorgeous Gem friend Kim Falconer on Asteroid Pan 4450.

I just got real interested all of a sudden as i realize my Sun is conjunct Asteroid Pan 4450. That’s THERE.

I need to get more raw, vital and knowing of nature’s ways…pronto.

Pan the God is of nature – his name comes from the word “pasture” though since the Christians, Pan is defined more demonically.

eg; Pandemonium means ‘place of hell’, the so-called devil came to be depicted as (like Pan) having goats hooves and so on.

Pan is a faun/satyr, the lord of spring & fertility; he’s got a thing for nymphs. Mythologically, he was said to be a genius at sex as well as being the God of all wild creatures.

Pan is currently at 3 Virgo – so moving into trine with Jupiter and Pluto. Super-earthy.  And the next New Moon will be conjunct Pan!  So excellent for a robust & horny new beginning, yes?

The next New & Full Moon are SO imbued with potent magic.

And you? Where is YOUR asteroid Pan? You can look up asteroid 4450 in the Astrodienst Extended Options.

Then come back here and tell all.

Or maybe just “most.”


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160 thoughts on “Asteroid Pandemonium

  1. Finally, it all makes sense! … today I discovered I have Pan partile conjunct my Jupiter in Cancer in the eight house, trine Moon in Scorpio … *doh*

  2. Hmmm… natal Pan in super-close conjunction with my natal Uranus in the 9th, less than 3 degrees from my natal Sun. Feeds into my Uranian fixation with things/people/situations that are unusual or different — usually as an observer, as the 9th house vibe is looking at this as a learning experience.

    Currently, Pan is conjuncting my natal Pluto, which may explain my feeling more of a lack of libido.

  3. I’m still floundering through the more… not-basic aspects of astrology; what does it mean if Pan is in my ascendant sign (Cancer), practically in the lap of Saturn in my 1st house? I am Capricorn Sun, Virgo Moon. I know juuuuuuust enough to know that looks kinda important.

  4. Pan in the second house of Cancer and sextile moon in Virgo! Oooh lala, adds some Kataka spice to picky Luna. Oh, and this Mars in Cancer is sitting right on top of my Pan right now, so I’m ready to turn all the lights off in the house and get to it! 🙂

    • 😉 guess we wont be seeing u hear for a while then, Aqua. Although for our astrological enlightenment, do report back 🙂

  5. Pan 4450 in Tauro, right in the middle of 3rd house, and making a quintile to my leading planet Jupiter in the tenth.
    And in a few months Jolly Jupes will be crossing over natal pan point. Pandemonium here we come. Hang onto your pan(ts) ….or not….
    Also tres interesting is that this pan placement is exactly where my mother has her Sun. My mother is soooooo maternal by nature but squashes all the earthy and goddess aspects under strict patriarchal fundamentalist bible-fearing BS. Her garden is always abundant, both her children are massage therapists and healers , I had an accurate psychic reading once ( yes,only once, there’s some phonies out there) and this one told me in a past life my mother had lost her life and her daughter’s in the witch burning holocaust, so in this life my mother was putting a bowl over my light to stop me from being seen and taken. It felt very true. But I was drawn to nature spiritually very early and while my overprotective mother would not allow us to visit friends or go to the mall she was fine with me disappearing for hours in the bush alone. In my twenties I got into shamanic practices without knowing that’s what it was til later. Very helpful in healing work to shift and heal .
    So, being in my third house I guess my pan just had to tell you all that just now. 🙂
    BTW it was charming to look at the chart on astrodienst and the legend for Fixed, Mutable, Cardinal now displaying one item in fixed, Pan .

    Oh good, another explanation for preferring to eat with my fingers.

  6. PS – Mystic can you please make Mars go into Virgo today, i’ve had a shocker of an eating fest over the weekend and need a good Virgoan kick up the kyber.

  7. Ok,

    So Pan at 24 degrees and Sun at 27 degrees in 2nd house Aries, so Pan conjunct sun, in 2nd house …. (ffrom reading above conjunct is 3 degrees or less.

    researching now ! x

    • ”Prosperity and financial security are a form of creativity when you do it” – Sun in second house … with Pan conjunct…(attempting to get mind to meld the two together ….)

      Interps most welcome !! x

  8. Hmm, I have Pan in Taurus in my 10th house (which is the busiest house in my chart, so much stuff in there), but I’m not sure what to make of it all. I have Sun, Venus, Mars, Chiron, MC, & Pan in Taurus (and 10th house)!!!
    I have a lot of Trines, not sure how to discern conjuncts and I really don’t know what all of this means except that Career is my primary life issue.

  9. I have pan in the 10th at 3 degrees of gemini. am a musician and celebrate the stiemier sides of life without the slighest guilt. Im sexually conservative in the gay worlds eyes though.

    I make dance music and have a public career. Am i known a wily seducer of the innocent? Maybe- but its not intentional (gemini) i just like sex without all the bells and whistles.

    tho i am def a metaphorical romp. People see this in me, some hate me for it, some dont. Chirons next door in the same house though, could be why. Definetly earthy nature lover. Guess its doubled when its in the house of nature with a geminian twist.

  10. My Pan is in my fourth house, 14 degrees in Cancer… along with my Sun, Mars, and Mercury.

    No idea what this means… I don’t know enough astro to figure this out. lol

  11. Pan conjunct Venus. In SCORPIO. MONEY Sector. So now what? I rent an everglades wild glen and hold cavorting ruts?

    • I reckon thats straight out of the text book TLS, I can just hear the astro teacher now, saying, right, lets look at the penultimate Pan aspect….and everyone thinking shit, imagine how hot and naughty that person is x

  12. Mystic you are such an all knowing genius, truly, you know everything that is so going on with everyone! 🙂

    Your scopes were right on! I even got the premonition, ‘fully’ and ‘exactly’ as it happened like you said in the daily scopes…

    Biz partner, who just happens to also be ex, just landed back from o/seas & told me he had an epiphany while o/seas because he me his first wife over there, from nearly 30 years, and they both had heart flutters and kinda fell in lurve again…

    Moi did ultra diplomatic real politik like such a good sport and friend for always and said i was so happy for him, and that now, does he not see it’s time to agree to divide up the empire at last and be honest, healthy and open to love in the future…he so agreed. (We have no lived together nor had sex for 3 years!!!- i moved out, and had to play a very diplomatic strategy here, as there were unique obstacles in being able to reason – ie. if i didn’t want to go to serious war legally, & potentially other scary ways, i had to wait till ‘he’ decided ‘he’ wanted to cut up his empire for the love motivation of another factor…)

    Mind you, i was so over waiting and almost threw my cards up in the air a couple of times over three years.

    His Pan today is opposing his ascendent, Jupiter from the house of health and work, which has his moon and Pluto-rama there.

    My Pan is in comms house 3, next to my moon and my north node, trine Uranus and Pluto, my seventh house friends, and opposite my Neputune, which of course is currently squaring my moon.

    I was such a haute diplomat today…knew my saturn in 12th would come in handy one day! The conversation was one of the easiest i ever had with him & i told him i’m so happy for him, because today he has healed us both.

    25 years of the heaviest weight on my soul have magically lifted off me today like some sublime subtle transit…It’s almost as if i can breathe properly and i feel SO invigorated by it all! There so is a God, and he tells Mystic all!

    Saturn 12th means i have to keep my lips sealed till it’s all done…of course.

    FREEDOM !!!! YES 🙂

    • btw, his saturn return coming up, saturn now in his 7th and close to his natal saturn and neptune, my saturn just beginning the long climb up the mountain of 8th, i don’t care, i so trust the universe, it has worked for me so far…

  13. Woohoo! Pan is conjunct my Sun in Scorpio in the 10th. Does that mean I would excel at having lusty, earthy sex with my friends? Or maybe joining a band and jamming out in the woods…and then having lusty, earthy sex. No wonder that “Pan’s Labyrinth” is one of my favorite films. 😀

  14. 36 degrees into Pisces in my 9th House. So, dreamy, mystical, adventurous sex that’s also filled with meaning? I wouldn’t say no to that.

  15. Well, Pan in Aries (got really excited about this considering he should RULE aries, goat horns and all) buttttt it’s in the 3rd house. So i’ma have great fun with my siblings and communication?! Not what I was hoping for!! :'(

  16. Pan is in my 10th house situated between Saturn and the moon. All three in Gemini. It is three degrees of Saturn so I am guessing that this means my destiny is to be a paganistic goddess of some kind. I am cool with that.

  17. I’m having a crazy plutonic love transit at the mo (Cap ascendant) which is kinda… sucking…. Mindboggling mutual connection with someone completely unavailable (and planning to stay that way). Along with everything else his pan/ascendant is exact my 7th house (cancer). He totally IS pan. Mine (conjunct moon mars) trines his sun. 2 more years of pluto … omfg.

  18. oh my…it is sitting right on top of my ascendant right now!!!! had robust and horny romp last night and this morning …..
    Natally it is at 14 degrees taurus 9th house and my lover, his is at 16 degrees….and the description up top describes us together….hmmm.

  19. Mine is in the 7th house, 6 degrees from Descendant. I’ll have to think about this. Focusing now though on next week, New Moon will be conjunct my Uranus and trine my Mars!! Am timing my return to dating game for just that moment.

  20. Mine is just in Aries. Hum my Venus is in Aries too. Maybe that is why I am so profoundly sad about my love life at the moment. Burst into tears twice this morning.

  21. Pan is blowing quintile kisses at Pluto from the 7th.
    Square to Saturn…got the need to be free from convention
    ya think ? lol !
    Thanks Mystic and Kim and oh I do so LoOove the illio!

  22. funny i have pan conjunct saturn – the devil is in the details. if he is now at 3 virgo he is conjunct my mars and is another lovely trine to add to the list – loving this astro.

    • I have Pan Conjunct Saturn in the 7th house too. I wonder if this means I’m attracted to partner who have a stodgy side but a wild side too?

      • Reading Liz Green’s Saturn: New Look at. etc. I can’t help noticing that Saturn doesn’t seem to be a very good partner with anything? My son has Sat/Mars conjunction which seems all about violence for example.
        Love that Devil is within the details comment!
        Would not Sat conj Pan bring to mind a fettered Pan, shackled by constraint? It makes me think of my Saturn/Venus conjunction, Liz G, says that people with this is often find Venus has no outlet and goes to the Moon for love instead (indeed my husband has Moon in Cancer, a strong placement). Maybe here Pan has no outlet too? Or is there a +tive to Saturn’s influence?

        • saturn gets bad press and in my experience not all justified – I have a conjunction of venus and mercury (my chart and sign rulers + in libra in the 5th which is convivial to say the least – because that’s what saturn would do LOL) opposing my saturn and astrologers have told me they both temper and lighten the vibe of the old guy.

          Venus makes it a bit less serious and the mercury manifests as people sometimes misconstruing my words because the way I phrase things can come across as far more serious than I actually am or venus gets involved and makes me seem frivolous when really what I am saying is back off or you’ll regret it for the rest of your living days. I have different styles of language for different settings to try and resolve this issue and it’s funny to see people’s faces when I whip out the academia tone and vernacular when they’re used to the louche wastrel and vice versa. It shocks people when I change gears but it’s a kind of self-preservation to read an environment and use a vernacular and tone the suits it. Saturn wants you to use your energy efficiently.

          My natal Saturn Mars trine is handy for a uranus conjunct libra sun to have – this is what cafe astrology says and I can vouch for it being accurate “You know how to get to your goals in life by steady, patient, and persistent progress. You have good, practical overviews of the final result of your efforts. You are good at planning a strategy and sticking to it. You build your projects and your life with bedrock security in mind, with as little risk as possible (my venus mercury and uranus placements make this less emphasised – I don’t mind risk but more often than not a calculated one). Discipline, patience, hard work, and the blessing of good judgment work together to form a picture that looks like “luck” to others.”

          My Mars is conjunct regulus which is the sign of the warrior/martial leader which is really strong in my psyche – when I commit to something it IS like a military campaign but libra sun and gemini ascendant aren’t big on commitment so when I do finally make up my mind and take the plunge it always shocks people who don’t know me well. Once I commit I’m uranian so I can think on my feet and adapt to shifting sand which again tempers saturn’s unswaying vibe but I will NEVER give up unless I get bored (gemini ascendant) and realise my energies are better directed elsewhere – another side of the mars saturn trine is don’t waste energy. Saturn’s in the sign mars rules and the 10th house so this is all about my work.

          Haha so there you have it, my thorough (read saturnine) explanation of why saturn isn’t as bad as they say – your son is one step ahead of most andy if you are aware of his propensities in advance you can teach him the skills he needs to temper his challenging placement.

          • so busy was i extolling the virtues of saturn i completely overlooked the pan saturn question that ignited my shameful passion for the old guy LOL the love that dare not speak its name – he has a festival that is all about letting go of the rules and letting the fool or zelator be king for a while so I do think we’ve all got saturn a bit wrong. I think mercury and venus opposing would help pan out enormously when saturnalia rolls around 😀

          • @whatevs:

            How did you calculate Regulus conjunct ….. ? I didn’t see an option in Astrodienst…or did i just miss it?

            • if you click on the fixed stars button when you are creating the chart it puts some in there. it’s one of my astro nerd passions – it’s the system Kim uses in her daily scopes thingies. also go here to check out the others you might have in important places in your chart They’re super interesting to monitor if you have any in conjunction to your natals and you’ve got a stomping transit going on – they colour the energies big time. They’re super potent around eclipses.

              • o and obviously – pinch of salt at the ready, it’s a bit medieval but if you close your eyes and imagine a modern manifestation of whatever it says all will become clear

                • i have saturn venus mercury and sun conjunct… and I think its a life saver really! particularly with a moon in a pisces. It is maybe not so steamy as a tango or a flamenco, but it means I have to look after myself OR ELse… and thats a good thing, yes!

                  I think saturn gets a bad rap, and ive been know to give it, particularly when i was going through the saturn growing pains. But really Saturn is really on our side, and looks after us in earthly grounded ways. So good for a neptunian moon like myself, with so much air that i just blew around on waves before i started hanging with saturn.

                • exactement mine clicked at saturn return – your changes sound awesome PG – good on ya for taking it all in your stride

                • I used tight orbs for fixed stars, declinations, progressions (1- 2 degrees), and orbs you can drive a truck through for natal and synastry aspects. It’s what I’ve found ‘works’ BUT you have to be flexible, intuitive.

                  If you have a personal powerhouse planet, like Sun or Mars, on Regulus, I would allow a bit more orb. If it’s Pluto (which a whole horde of ppl born in the 50’s have) I would use a tighter orb and see it more ‘generational’. Bottom line is, if it acts and feels like a connection, it IS one!

          • Wonderful comment whatevs, I enjoy reading about your speaking/writing talents. My natal Saturn in 3rd (also trine Mars) is effective much more so in regards to speaking (easier with Merc at MC) than writing, which I find enjoyable, but laborious. Perhaps it is the Virgo perfection I am coming to terms with…Saturn and Mars are in aspect only to each other. Mars in 12th house sign, so I am learning to integrate both free-form mystical and earthbound reality into the rest of my chart.

          • That’s very helpful whatevs, thank you for sharing all this, I am looking at my Venus/Saturn conjunction with a bit less concern! Very good. Gosh we need a Saturnalia in our society, imagine all the office workers losing it after staring at screens all day…

        • I have Sat/Mars conjunct also, and I think Mystic has this placement too. I dont find it bad at all, gives me strength and a certain resiliance to keep going at things in life which others may give up..

          Your son may be a workaholic Andro?? Not a bad thing.. 🙂

          • I’ve an Aqua friend with Saturn conjunct Mars. From what i’ve seen it is also like having constant frustrations at work. You like know you are a genius but you get cock-blocked by other co-workers, peeps, environment, from getting the recognition or money you need. Therefore you learn due diligence and work extra hard to make up for this effect.

          • As you can tell, I have broken up with The Toro yet again. I really should have heeded the advice from fellow peeps here who warned me what they are like. I just realised on Friday nite that if i stayed with him i would spend the rest of my life sitting on the couch watching tv and not talking.

            I ended it in by going crazy just trying to get something out of him. I kicked his garbage bin over… Nothing he just went to bed…

            • Sassy even tho obviously I get it that you had a painful experience and it’s sad it happened that conjures up such a beautiful visual metaphor – his garbage was all over the floor in front of him and he walked away and went to sleep?


              It’s way easier for people on the outside to look in and go “danger will robinson” than it is for the person who is on the brink of something – you were looking for some love, comfort and companionship – adult companionship as opposed to time with your babe – and there’s nothing stupid or wrong about that – it’s totally human and natural. If you had listened to the peeps who were ringing the alarm bells for you you would’ve always wondered what might have been – you were brave and went for it and risked your heart. But it seems like you pulled out of a nose dive at just the right time so no harm done that time won’t heal right? I’m sure there were some good times in the midst of the bad otherwise you wouldn’t have hung in there and tried to make it work xxx

              • Thanks whatevs.. Yes that is right. I pulled out just in time. Wasnt working anymore, could no longer keep it up. I felt drained everytime I saw him, thats not good…

                He had already broken my heart last time, so now I feel nothing. Just relief actually..

                • Mars is exactly square my Sun today. How about I punch him in the nose for you? 🙂

                  Good video you shared. Had not heard of her here in U.S.

                  Hugs Sass-a-Frass

                • is this the one who had their juno hooked up with your synastry? I remember talk of goose feathers or something ages ago. You’ve done the absolute right thing if you were having your life force drained hon – it would have damaged your ability to nurture yourself and your relationship with lil aries in time. It’ll take time for this to stop hurting so try to take it easy on yourself and don’t see it as a mistake – things will start to feel easier when spring springs and you can see and feel fresh new life coming up all around you x

                • Yes it was… I conjured the Juno and Jupiter in my love corner eek… Its exactly what i got. Wont go into all the details etc but there was something very close to the womanizing, arrogant etc

                  Yes all is well, I got a new job 3 weeks ago so pretty happy about that and lil Aries always keeps me fighting fit… xxx thanks for uplifting words xxx

                  Yes plz Sweetie, punch him in the nose for me xx 😉 I would like to do it myself. Must tame my Mars/Satrun Scorp from revenge.. something is cooking thou… But may not have the guts to do it…

                • Ok not recommened to use the Gods and Goddesses for your love corner….hahahah oh boy.

                • aaah one of those be careful what you wish for scenarios. BIG congrats on your job – I’ve thought of you over the weeks and hoped it was all working itself out. Holy moly I grew up in a nest of scorpions so I know first hand what mad complex shenanigans a vengeful scorpionic can summon… remember low toros NEVER let it go. Do you really want that heavy earth muddying your water in perpetuity?

                • Hahah yes “mad complex shenanigans a vengeful scorpionic can summon” exactly….oh thats horrible isnt it?…

                  Yes, thanks finally got a job, really good one after applying for 51.. 🙂

                  Mystic you already knew with the whole Juno and Jupiter…damn should have listened.. yes he was chasing feathers

                • “oh thats horrible isnt it?… ” haha nope it sounds like home – best for innocent bystanders just to stand back and watch it all unfold and never take sides – cue libran desperately seeking fence to sit on 😀

            • Does your Toro have Aquarius moon or rising?
              I’m supposed to be a calm cool Libra and he’s pissed me off enough times to have a melt down in front of him. It’s what they do to control the situation. It’s much easier for him if you leave him rather than the other way around. It’s the lazy way they do things.

              • Oh my. Yes he has Uranus rising, but in Sagg so suppose he is a bit Aqua than??… So controlling, I couldnt take it anymore. he will be fine, he is probably still sitting on his couch..
                Im a bit nutty today I shouldnt have done this, but I just sent a fb message to his ex gf asking what happened with them?? I really shouldnt have done that?? eeekkk…Oh my.

                • Just remember, sometimes it is better not to know.

                  But i’ve done that before…met the ex. usually i get along pretty well with the exes if introduced as friends. It sounds creepy to some people, but as a Libra I like to check references. Never trust a man who doesn’t have at least 1 ex who speaks favourably about him; found that out with the last Scorp! Also don’t trust him if they ALL speak about him nicely either. LOL!

          • Arrghh yes, hardly working on our relationship, they just become so complacent. He is fine doing his 12 hours shifts and buying his cars and toys.. Geez was contemplating stealing his cat..

            • Crap! You too! My ex-Toro has this beautiful cat that is totally in love with me. The cat and I have this wonderful rapport that I have never had with another cat. And I am someone who has been around a lot of cats. My current household has 4 of them, not mine but the room mates. I was contemplating stealing the cat when we broke up. I mean…the Toro is gone for weeks at a time without being home…. poor alone kitty. 🙁 A cat sitter comes a couple of times a week, but still!

              I settled on remaining friends with the Toro as he does have excellent taste in music and I’m still in love with his cat even if I have put him aside. lol!

              • OMG really. Yes same here. The most beautiful, well mannered cat I have ever met. Its gorgeous.. And yes he is never home also, always at work…

                Can i ask was it the same scenario with your ex Toro…??! The complacency, the never wanting to go out?

                Hope you are feeling ok foxy? xxx

                • Well yes…the agoraphobia… Plus there was always this hint of… him trying to “keep his singleness” and keeping me at arm’s length. He would always bring up his ex whenever we would make any progress in the relationship. He never flirted with other girls in front of me or anything like that. When he’s with me, he always played it straight but it was the little things that bugged me like how he would keep “Seeking a relationship-single” on his on-line profiles even though he was seeing me. And then one time I think on a post that he forgot to filter me off of, he wrote something to effect of “As I am still only dating casually,….blah….blah…blah… I’ve taken up a new friendship with ….” I was like… um….ok. This is after all the sex and time spent together. It was like I was nothing to him.

                  So yeah I broke up with him after that…. in January after he provoked me.

                  But the story isn’t done.

                  He and that girl he met online…he spent a lot of $$ to fly and see her far away, but apparently he didn’t get what he wanted out of her. (i.e. she either had a bf or didn’t put out) so he came home all angry and pissed off broke and seeking sympathy. I was like….awww. but kinda laughing on the inside. I think he could tell but he shut his mouth because he knew he deserved it.

                  and no, i won’t get back with him.

                  He blew it.

                  But we can be friends. My social circle is small so I’m not looking to make enemies. I’m not still stuck on him. So i feel fine.

                  I have made a sacred secret pact with myself re: another man who is a long shot, both in distance and…let’s just say I feel that I’m just out of his league. But i have to try. In my mind it is the sweetest fantasy and I know it’s not real, but maybe one day… for now the promise of something this idealistic keep me emotionally buoyant. Plus it is better than spoiled Toro leftovers. gross.

                • Thats horrible and just plain mean. Yes no Toro left overs yuk.. Im glad you have moved on from him..

                  Simliar thing happend with Toro, I discovered a Russian bride site and dating sites that he had been looking at.. Confronted him and he said it was just rubbish that he was looking at, a bit of fun.. So, gave him the benefit of the doubt.. But after another nite on the couch and no compromising i had had enough and just left, left the key, kicked the bin over, no reaction, nothing, he just went to bed…

                  He also would talk quite badly of his ex, which disturbed me… He carries a lot of hatred..

                • WTF? Russian bride stuff? *rolls eyes*

                  I’m sorry you had to go through that. 🙁 I don’t think all Toros are like this. I’m sure there are good Bulls out there and I wouldn’t mind trying another one, but I’ve got an Aqua itch that I need to scratch first. ;p

                  A Toro will only talk badly about their ex if their ex managed to push enough buttons. Otherwise, there won’t be a mention.

                • Sorry to crash the Toro party with you gals but I have a recent encounter, but reading this has similarities with my own Toro encounter.

                  First few months were bliss then one night, an ill timed comment by me, means him storming off for an hour, comes back, lights go off with me standing there asking him if we could discuss what happened. He then takes off North for a few weeks, odd text message here and there to say he had never been hurt like that / no one had ever accused him of such indent behaviour and son on. Said we would need to talk face to face. 4 weeks later we meet up and then he does not want to air it and so I just push all the ill feeling between us and start a new page.

                  But. But…..So things are good for a while and then not so good for a longer while.

                  Fast forward another 7 months and he send a text message to dump me while I am at zoo with my Dad
                  watching the otters. And if you think I will EVER look at otters again in the future without being reminded of the inglorious feeling of being dumped by a grown man via text, you are very much mistaken.

                  But the person I am most cranky at is me. I knew there were warning bells / red stop lights and general distress beacons going off when I was with him. most of his personal female relationships were fraught – starting with that good old chestnut Mum – and going through ex wife / woman that had has alleged baby only telling him en route to hospital / woman that with with him for 4 years, took off back to family home overseas on the story of being very ill only to have twins via surrogacy and for the two of them to have regular power tripping via skype. (Lordy, it looks even worse when you write that down). And let’s not even get into his bullying of some of his female staff. In summary : smart girl / whacked choices.

                  So yes to your query of complacency and carrying a lot of hatred within this example of Toro. Such a shame. When you get a haute Toro – as I did in my late teens / early twenties – if is life changing in all the best ways.

                  Be well & strong Sassy. Your Toro sounds like a right muppet. (Again, sorry to crash but your stories were so in sync with my own)

                • @Scorped Up

                  Thanks for sharing your story! That is so messed up. But yeah i do believe there are so good ones still out there.

                  Poor otters. 🙁 I had a break up over a strawberry daquiri and imagine that I haven’t drank any in years….. and what a dick! Text message breakups are for cowards.

  23. Mine’s conjunct exact my Midheaven Leo in my 10th house, right in between my Venus and Jupiter…..looks like my ideal career is a hooker in vegas. Sooooo not compatible with my virgo sensibilities. Ha.

    • Wait. we have similar stuff. Virgo sun and stellium, here. With Pan in 10th. See above post re college professor/madame.

      should we start a business?

  24. Ooh. I have Pan in the middle of my Jupiter/Venus conjuction, in the early degrees of Taurus. Yes sensuality, nature, food, earthy love.

  25. Pan at 15 Leo in the 7th, conjunct Venus. Not wanting to go into too much personal detail so will just say Wow, that makes so much sense! 😀

    Pan is also opposite my moon, which seems significant since I’m a Cancer and my Moon is conjunct my Ascendent.

    Oh, how I love Astrology…

    • Ha ha…me too. I just found out Pan is conjunct (less than half a degree off) my Mars in Leo, square my Venus-Neptune in Scorp Asc. Oh, and my Aries ex who shared my Aries moon too, has Pan very close (few degrees off) his moon in his 5th house, trine his ascendant. Pan personified, he was. And lo and behold, he turns up back in town having broken up with his girlfriend just as Leo Sun/Venus cross my Leo Mars/Pan a week or so ago. Figures!

  26. Pan asteroid is 7degrees kataka 9th house… MC is 25degrees, so not much of a close relationship there… BUT pan is trine my ascendant scorpio. I wonder if it explains my previous (not recently tested) perpetual attractions to katakas?

    • Mine is in Kataka too PGem (5th house trine Chiron and sextile Toro Jupiter). Remember very, umm, earthy sexual relationship with French Kataka (but we also had Sun/Moon connex); his Pan conj his Sun/Jups in Kataka. We’re still v good friends across the globe. Since buying Kim F’s book a couple of years ago, have always bunged Pan into lovers/potential lover’s charts. Very useful in sexual compatability in my experience. Current Toro lover’s Pan is in Gem conj my Venus in Gemini, need I say more 😉

      • Oh and in composite chart with Toro, Pan is conjunct comp Sun/Mercury in 7th house. Great sex and communication, yes!

      • oH cool! I so need to get in touch with my inner Pan and reading tom robbins really helps actually! Must remember that among everything else at the moment.

  27. Pan is at the beginning of my tenth house in Aries. Pretty apt, I am a musician who likes drunken revelries.
    Seeing as Pan’s quite close (not conjunct) to my medium coeli I choose to interpret this all as PROOF I will succeed with my music and kick the boring day desk job. Bloody Saturn trining Pan means I will have to work hard for it, I guess.

    • Oh my goodness, couldn’t help but giggle “drunken revelries”

      That prompted me to remember Bacchus (wine, et al…interesting write up at Wiki)…

      But my Pan and Bacchus (Gemini) conjunct in 12th opposite Jupiter in 6th.

      Think the message might be to be careful having TOO much fun 🙂

    • Okay, Mine’s 10th house, Taurus. Hmmm. Not sure yet what to make of this….I’m not a musician and don’t work in a winery.

      One horrible professor once told me I’d make a great madame in a brothel. I mean, what the hell kind of thing is THAT to tell a 19 year old kid asking about what they should do with their careers????

  28. is within 3 degs conjunct ? if so, pan conjunct moon in gemini, 12th house..still processing the meaning of that ?

      • From Astrology & Aptitude by Kim Falconer (fab book): “Pan brings something very earthy, very natural to any
        planet or point he touches. He’s no “Victorian” when it comes to
        sensations and sensual pleasure. Pan brings a link with the instinctual
        nature and couples it with a kind of wily pleasure. On the Ascendant,
        Pan gives the body robust strength, added libido and sharp
        instinct. He is raw and vital and knows nature’s ways. He is a seducer
        of the innocent, and the knowledgeable as well. He is one hell
        of a romp, metaphorical or otherwise. He is natural and fertile—a
        nature spirit, instinctual, rustic, sexual, potent. He is not shy. He is
        not a child. Pan loves music and dance, reverie, sex and celebration.
        When conjunct a personal planet, these traits and talents may come
        to the foreground.”

            • Yes…. and i’ve been cringing about it all day (natal Saturn conj Asc). In my defence: it was v late, i had consumed rather more than the recommended healthy wine limit and i thought i was being brilliant referring to KF’s book….

    • I am guessing that all things lunar would be a turn-on for you, believe your wife is Kataka?! The 12th is hidden and mystical, so this instinctual potent lunar nature of yours might be a secret or sacred place in yourself.
      Maybe also brings a chthonic wildness emotionally to your airy moon. The rough & tumble of sexy word fairies in a glade of poetry.

    • hey your zip is off. i know you prob wanted to headbutt me – I would’ve wanted to punch me too if the roles were reversed but it wasn’t a judgement you know that right? I was recognising something I did for a long time. i thought of you a lot while the riots were unfolding – are you and your peeps doing OK?

      Your pan stats do not surprise me – you wear them well x

      • ? >darling, we are cool, just not where I am coming from nor do I need a pep talk about it. sometimes it’s very far off the mark is all but no love missing.

  29. oooh i love pan… i just finished re-reading Tom Robbins ‘Jitterbug Perfume’ and Pan was one of the protagonists.

    • Oh how appropriate.
      Has anyone read Jitterbug Perfume hee hee? I was just talking about him today and I have no idea where Pan is in my chart….must be somewhere pertinent though.
      A unique authour.

      • Jitterbug Perfume is in my collection and I enjoyed it heartily BOTH time I read it. Who knew that a book in which beets play a major role could be some very fascinating?

        My Pan is in Cancer, conjunct my Mars and Sun. It is also conjunct my Undersky, being one degree over in the 3rd house. I would have to say that these words from the Waterboys sum up my experience:

        From the olden days and up through all the years
        From Arcadia to the stone fields of Inisheer
        Some say the gods are just a myth
        But guess who I’ve been dancing with
        The great God pan is alive!

  30. mine is in 5th house conjunct saturn
    trine pluto
    opposite neptune
    opposite venus…couldn’t think what it would make me. help!

  31. Pan sharing my Toro sun opposing moon pluto mars uranus in La Virge

    Have had Pan in my head ever since Tom Robbins Jitterbug Perfume

    Have had earthy fecundity in my head just forever….

  32. Hmm. I have Pan Conjunct Moon and Mars in Taurus/5th house. Emotional randy satyrbull earth warrior art. But what is the Pan connection to Capricorn? I remember reading that somewhere.

  33. Pan at 14′ Pisces, conjunct my Sun in the 6th house and sitting close to Mercury … does this mean I love a good old Piscean other-worldly/communing with nature type encounter, so long as the area ahs been attended to by a Virgo beforehand?!

    As you said MM, I need to get on the instinctual-potent-nature-spirit aspect of Pan, stat! But the question is, how??

    • Aww, I’m a 6th-house Pisces sun too, also conjunct Merc, also conjunct Pan! (He’s at 6 degrees for me, though.) I think it might be less to do with the outdoors as it is related to how we use our instincts (and perhaps how we empathize with others).

      • Twins! Good thinking, squeakmaster … I guess the lesson for me is to listen more to my instincts, which as a Piscean are often shouting at me to pay attention. Maybe I need to create some internal pandemonium!

  34. So my Pan is in Cancer in the 8th house along with my Venus. It brings some primal hedonism to my love planet? I don’t feel like complaining. 🙂

    • My Pan and Venus are conjunct and in my 8th house also.
      Not in Cancer, but in Gemini.
      Maybe we keep the primal well hidden (we are the quite ones you need to watch out for?). I am having difficulty pinning down a really good explanation of the 8th that enlightens me on ze planets etc. that I have there.

      • My Pan is in Cancer in 11th, opp Mars and conjunct Venus. It’s an interesting combo as Cancer is NOT a direct way of expressing – likes to come at things sideways – but Pan is unabashed and straightforward. Not shy. lol In ‘Pan mode’ I am a different person 🙂

        The 8th house is a lot of things, classical Sex, Death and Taxes . . . all areas of life where we ‘give something up’ (vulnerability, $$, the final giving up of the body) so it’s about taking a risk (how do we KNOW what happens after death? How can we be certain the partner will honour our intimacy?) AND so, the 8th is a leap of faith.

        8th is also where we merge with others (not just sex) in erotic, transformational, creative ways. Personal planets in the 8th want to express in joint experiences . . . like helping others realise their potential. We like to delve deep there, so the helping professions, therapeutic, creative arts and the occult come to mind. No skipping across the surface here. 🙂

      • Our Pan’s are tenacious & psychic, sexy & survivors?

        Really… all this is making me sound more fabulous than I really am;)

  35. 8 degrees Taurus, 5th house. Squaring Merc in Aqua. Hmmm. God. astrology just goes on and on and on and on . . . Which don’t get me wrong, is a good. My head’s been running tend to the dozen today.

  36. Haha, I have Venus/Uranus/Eros conjunct in Libra – turns out Pan is there too. All within 3 degrees. I should definitely be getting more action.

  37. Ooh how exciting, a new asteroid! Mine’s the closest thing to my ascendent in Gemini, but not rising. So I look/act like a loquacious horny satyr?

      • Andromeda, mine is next to my sun in Gemini… Was just about to ask what that meant. Sun at 17 degrees, Pan at 22. How do you know whether it is rising or not?

        • Rising planets are ones conjunct your ascendent gemyogi! I would say your sun is loosely conjunct Pan. Do you identify yourself as a sexy, wild kinda gal?

            • Pan conjunct my sun in Gemini too!…by one degree and three degrees from my mercury all in 4th house. Opposite my mars in sag 10th house. And loosely trine my Uranus in 8th house hmmm….that makes me laugh!

    • As it was loading up I was thinking it’d be in my Taurus 10th house as every other asteroid seems to be.
      Still in my 10th, but Gemini, loosely conj sun and square moon, tight trine to Pluto
      Quite exciting to actually have something in my sun sign!
      I don’t think that Pan influence stands much of a chance against the rest of my chart though.
      I do like the idea of being a bit mischievous with all that 10th house power.

  38. Mine’s 17 degrees in Scorpio in the second house along with my Sun and asteroid Pandora! btw my Sun and Pandora are just a mere degree apart!

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