When Neptune Is Your Mentor

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We have talked before of the surreal, over the top, practically cinematic levels of self-destruction, deceit and sheer lurid sleaziness possible with a messed up Mars-Neptune scenario AND the haute art, freaky allure aspect of these peeps as well…

Mars being “men” we look to pissy Mars-Neptune aspect as being potentially dysfunctional in men.  See the link above for more on this. The poet Charles Bukowski is another Mars-Neptune poster boy. They’re trouble.

But what of the women? Do we look to a challenging Venus-Neptune aspect? Venus being female. Any chicks out there with Venus-Neptune aspects who wanna own up to being boozing, brawling man/womanizing maniacs but with immense creative talent?  Historical examples. The hard-living, hard-drinking, sexual adventuress, feminist and genius poet Edna St Vincent Millay springs to mind – but her Venus only sextiles Neptune.  Her Mars? Opposite Neptune.

So it’s Mars opposite or square Neptune that seems to provide the impetus to both a hyperbolic creative drive and the desire to be totally tanked a lot of the time – throw in some sexual amorality/nymphomania and we’re done, yes?

Some snippets…
“…My candle burns at both ends;
It will not last the night;
But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends—
It gives a lovely light…”

 

“…SAFE upon the solid rock the ugly houses stand:
Come and see my shining palace built upon the sand!…”

 

“…AND if I loved you Wednesday,
Well, what is that to you?
I do not love you Thursday–
So much is true.

And why you come complaining
Is more than I can see.
I loved you Wednesday,–yes–but what
Is that to me?…”

Edna St Vincent Millay – she is my fave poet ever, worth exploring if you are not already a fan…Pisces, Aquarius Rising with Mercury, Mars-Moon-Midheaven Saggo…Of COURSE she wanted to be free and unique – accomplishing it whilst becoming a Pulitzer prize winning poet, opposing fascism and sexism SO stylishly AND being great in bed whilst regularly hitting the Blue Devil Hoochie Juice is the genius/miracle.

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Blue Moon
Blue Moon

Been reading about this woman since I first saw this post a few days back.
It’s safe to say I’m in love/have a new mentor. It’s all the same to me,

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

Came across this today & couldn’t resist hunting down this post & adding the link. I wonder where their Neptunes were.

Famous Literary Drunks & Addicts
http://www.life.com/gallery/38742/famous-literary-drunks–addicts#index/0

Definitely some surprises on this list for me. (Louisa May Alcott was an opium addict?)

fushiafairy
fushiafairy

Interesting you used Edna Saint Vincent Millay. Until I was born I was either Millay after her(she is my mom’s favorite poet) or the name I was given. I sometimes use Millay as my pseudonym. Bizare, but she used the pseudonym Nancy Boyd…Boyd is my last name. I have mars in taurus inconjunct neptune in sag. Some of this applies to me especially in my late teens early 20s. I never drank much, but was a stoner and loved my psychedelics. Pushed boundaries of my and societies sexual morals, nympho at times yes. MY two favorite means of self destruction.… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Do love that letter…”Rip up poems for you and Los Angeles 27″….never heard of that…not exactly a zip code or street number (?) so guy must have been drinking.

VS
VS

Sounds about right (I have no Venus/Nep action but a solid Mars/Nep square)

Love Edna SVM. A real queen

Ginnyh
Ginnyh

Interesting. I was always baffled why my mars square neptune. 2 degrees Virgo and 2 degrees sag never led to alcoholism. That being said I am a creative personality. Plus alcoholism is huge in my family. An astrologer said that my mars conjunct sun (Leo 26). Plus mars conjunct Pallas blocked that. Thank god. I consider this mars square Neptune hugely advantageous. Nice combination of female and male energy

whatevs
whatevs

if you drank I wonder if you’d be a feisty drunk? with the pallas warrior energy on the mars?

Ginnyh
Ginnyh

No I can walk away from a couple of drinks..more mean when I am sober

saggigal
saggigal

I am a Sun-Neptune tight conjuct in Sagg, trine my Mars. So no hard aspects , just the good stuff!! 🙂

spmalr
spmalr

Well since we’re sharing…

I am a Pisces Sun with Aquarius Venus and Mercury sextile my Sagittarius Neptune, and Mars opposite Neptune.

Hmmm…hard-living, hard-drinking, sexual adventuress, feminist and genius poet? I’ve been trying my best!

whatevs
whatevs

Hello, my name is whatevs and I have mars square neptune. As a child I won money for my writing and it was published. I’ve always worked/lived with writers and artists and musicians. Writing makes me feel free and I have been known to go for days without eating or sleeping when in the midst of a writing project. Writing is THE ONLY drug worth imbibing as far as I’m concerned. The first poem that ever touched me was by Edgar Allen Poe. I absolutely adore Bukowski – wouldn’t want to snuggle with him if he were still here but… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

as mentioned I have venus on top of neptune conjunct 6th house saggo. mars virgo 3rd house makes no aspects accept square sun/merc. lover and a fighter?
Probably done my fair share of boozing, man brawling and womanizing…

quapricoro
quapricoro

I have venus trine neptune, and, fiddled embarrassingly with pot and stuff, got the whole arty-loser spacey reputation I am sure – ((cringe))
Fall for the mars sq neptune type, well, in the past anyhow.
No More!!! P L E A S E

quapricoro
quapricoro

oh, and now i just drink for the low-back numbing & resveratrol.

Charles
Charles

I just rectified my chart (I finally found a retired astrologer who was alive in my city when I was born, she remembered: no DST) and found out Neptune conj N Node is on my IC and Mercury+S Node is on my MC. That’s quite a change. When I used DST, I had Venus on my MC and Jupiter vaguely on my IC. That never made much sense. Mystic, I remember you commented on Venus on my MC, “sleep your way to the top much?” LOL, I said, “no, never, but I am not averse to the idea.” But yeah,… Read more »

AquaCrab
AquaCrab

I have Venus in Virgo square Neptune conjunct midheaven Scorpio. Mars in Leo and Sun in Cancer are trine my Neptune. Saturn in Toro opposite Neptune.

Never big on intoxicants, but spent two decades in hyperbolic sex scenarios…so over the top, iconic, surreal. I’m very creative, but not in a tortured artist kind of way, and not terribly self destructive. Just insanely curious. Life is very weird and operatic for me most of the time. I never thought of it in these terms though. Interesting.

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

I have a saggi first house/neptune trining mars/venus/merc – my nickname in highschool was acidqueen, tripper etc etc, (I barely knew what acid was) that is how I present tho, vague and offplanet, but I protest that am actually quite grounded really, anyway … I never was an offplanet drinker, and now only drink the odd glass of wine. Interestingly have returned to smoking pot these last few month and have enjoyed it very much, but last week overdid it and am going to have to backoff … my brain collapses in on itself and I worry about how I… Read more »

roadhouse41
roadhouse41

I’m a woman with mars square neptune. Terr ible reputation my whole life, lots of alcohol and strange doings of all kinds. Black sheep extraordinaire. My only published work was poetry and the only thing I’ve ever done well my whole life is play a guitar.

🙂 Wouldn’t guess it in a million years on first meeting either.

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

Sounds fun!

Bluesky
Bluesky

I’d love to play the guitar well!

Bluesky
Bluesky

I was a black sheep, for no good reason. my step mother painted me that way for her own purposes. then I decided I might as well live up to it…until I decided that lifestyle didn’t really fit me very well

roadhouse41
roadhouse41

Yeh, Blue, that’s a pretty neptunian complex. We’ll play whatever role is left in the hat and er, that one seems to get left quite a bit 🙂

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

I can say with all due modesty that I don’t need Mars to fire up Neptune as Neptune’s cuddled right up to my Ascendant. I went through 17 lovers in my ‘twenties, look back gobsmacked now, how the hell did I ever have time to get upright 😀 Met my husband and never looked at anyone else since. But … sigh … the old grog has been a constant companion on and off, far more so in my younger days. I could drink ’em under the barstools. But I now know it was to prop up me not being me… Read more »

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

Sorry, should have said also it’s got the other arm cuddled around Venus.

goldfleece
goldfleece

Hmm I have Mars and Venus both at 13 degress in Gemini 4th house, and they are both in oppostion to Neptune 4 degrees in sag, 9th house. I am a fully clean, recovered, opium based narcotic addict and have been for over 14 years now (clean that is). I most definately replaced that addiction with booze, and hashish and what not over the years. Right up to my Saturn return at 28 (when Saturn tapped me on the shoulder and punched me in the face!) i was pretty much out of control, i worked hard, and defiantely played hard,… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Ha ha, Saturn biffed me to the tune of a 10 min long grand mal epileptic fit! Having kids makes it easier not to backtrack. Reminds of that song, “love will keep us together”, slightly alternative meaning 😉

goldfleece
goldfleece

Oh Andromeda, I’m more than glad we both got out alive ! you sparkle magic faerie dust words (re the kids and love) xx and are you quoting the Captian and Tenille ? My mum wore that album out …blast form the past. The creative thing is there, i’ve just constantly found another thing to go onto without actually sitting still with one long enough to master…But i think i’ve found it..taking it a bit slow for fear of burning out in the excitement of something new …Feeling blessed that on my Phoenix reading Mystic said my best career stars… Read more »

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

This is so frigging depressing. I have Mars opposite Neptune and wish I did not. Yes, I have a tendency to drink too much. Don’t think I’m particularly sexually amoral but probably think about sex way too much. Blamed that on my 8th house planets. Sigh. Eff off, mars opp neptune aspect. Why me???

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Hey hey, not so hard on yourself. Be the genius not the grifter.
Sacred Sexuality! Ecstatic Intoxication! Immaculate Consumption!

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

wise words

Inger
Inger

My venus 8 pisces, neptune 8 libra–venus intercept in first house rules 8th.
Neptune in 8th …Aries 2nd house mars also in pisces.
Enjoy years of celebacy between relationships…..Happy uranus is now out of the Aquarium…
I do enjoy this blog as well!!
Thanks .

Bluesky
Bluesky

Yep. Found an ex with this Mars/Neptune thing. Fits profile. Writer/drank too much/trouble with reality briefly/off deep end/back from brink. We get along very well.

Lauren
Lauren

I have Venus and Mars conjunct in Scorpio, with Neptune in Sagg (12th house). There are no squares or oppositions to Neptune anywhere in my chart. I can certainly be daydreamy and prone to indulging in fantasies while neglecting the real world, but have never fallen victim to addictive substances. I tend to only drink socially, and even if I have a few drinks I’ve always been able to maintain control while others are falling all over themselves after one glass of wine. I’ve never had any interest in drugs, but did try pot for the first time last year.… Read more »

Olyalyalya
Olyalyalya

Neptune semi-square Venus AND opposition Mars and Sun…… hey it trines moon ok?

But but but Saturn is opposite Venus so I CAN be serious, and not crazy. But its so hard, sigh.

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Venus and Mars conjunct in Sagg – Neptune is Sagg. But they are 14 degrees apart. So no aspect whatso ever. Makes sense – I am adventurous when it comes to stuff like travel, and knowledge. But flirtations with drugs and alcohol never bring me anything like genius. More likely to completely freak out and have hysterics afterwards, which makes indulging less attractive.

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

My Neptune is pretty well aspected – including Leo Mars Opposition & Virgo Venus Sextile. (Also Jupiter opposition, Midheaven square, Uranus and Pluto sextile.) I’m at the opposite end of the drugs & booze spectrum, though – never had the slightest interest in either. The reasons may be a bit neptunian, however – I’ve always been in such a dream world in my head, so easily altering my sense reality by more natural means (books, movies, art, music, contemplation) that my hold on reality has always felt tenuous. I hate being out of control because it’s such a struggle to… Read more »

year of the fox
year of the fox

I have Venus square Neptune and Mars sextiling Neptune where Neptune is sloppily conjunct my Ascendant. I’m not sure it does anything special. I don’t drink much booze or do too many substances. I can be creative sometimes. :/
I’ve always blamed my need to be free and unique on Sun conjunct Uranus.

Odette-in-Libra
Odette-in-Libra

How does a planet get “sloppily conjunct?” LOL
(I imagine it sort of rolling around & letting out an occasional planet burp.)

year of the fox
year of the fox

like big planets have orbs that are like 10 or 11 degrees or sumthin’. To me that’s sloppy.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

haha 😀 funny visual Odette ~ me, Venus Neptune square, LoOved to party, still have a great time, just do it sober. Venus conjunct Jupiter, always been a music freak, an artist and supporter of art.

year of the fox
year of the fox

I was actually reading in another forum about some person complaining how they had troubles with their love life when Venus Squares Neptune, esp in regards to chasing people you can’t have or not seeing people for who they are before falling for them. :/

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

oh yeah. Honey, I could write The Book.
Luckily, I’ve got Sun conjunct Uranus also, so I bounce. ha

Sha
Sha

And did i not forgot to mention that Uranus Ma/Ve square i have ? XDD Figure out :^

In addiction, i’ve found the biggest Mars-Neptune sq issue to be – HUGE fluctuations of physical levels of energy and performance ! But who can aproove violent contramesures to remedy to it ? In the long run is pure self distruction, and the only thing left behind are broken manifesto’s of life long dreamed dreams that was never reached . . . . We can do bether than that, i know we can 🙂

andromeda
andromeda

Mars and Neptune don’t appear to have a relationship, Venus and Mars are quincunx.

Now I know how to explain my flirtation with all things Neptunian never becoming a permanent relationship…

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

🙂

T
T

I have both Mars square Neptune and Venus square Neptune (Neptune in Saggo in the 10th, Mars in Virgo in the 7th, Venus in Libra in the 7th). I don’t drink. I’ve never smoked or done drugs. I’ve had sex with a grand total of 2 people (I’m 27). I am not the slightest bit adventurous. I would never, EVER cheat on a partner; I think that’s unforgivable in any situation. Needless to say, I’ve always been a bit mystified by these aspects in my chart. The Mars-Neptune square is one of my closest, too. I know other chart factors… Read more »

Charley
Charley

What’s your Sun?

T
T

Scorpio, in the 8th.

Charley
Charley

Thought so, me too and in the 8th. Guessed because not a single Scorpio I know including myself would ever cheat, it’s incomprehensible to me. Is your Sun conjunct Saturn? That can be kind of a sensible aspect!

T
T

No, but my Saturn’s conjunct Pluto, which I also have in Scorp in the 8th. I’m sure that balances out any Neptune-Venus/Mars shenanigans as well.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

I wish the Scorpio men I knew would never cheat. Dated two and both did. Were cads. But, I probably picked two rotten apples.

year of the fox
year of the fox

I have Venus Squared Neptune and I have not had a lot of partners either. I’ve never cheated on a partner either. I’ve always blamed it on Saturn in my 7th house.

Do you chase after or fall for people you can’t get? Doomed relationships?

T
T

No, not really. I don’t really fall for anyone, or at least, I haven’t yet.

Lauren
Lauren

I do. >.< I'm sure there's some aspect in my chart that corresponds with the whole 'worshipping from afar' thing and being my own worst enemy in a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of way, but I haven't quite figured it out yet. I do know that I have the pattern of chasing after guys who are seemingly not within my reach for varying reasons (age, distance, relationship status); but if a guy comes after me then my Sagg rising kicks up a fuss and starts to feel smothered, even if I was the one that was interested in him in the… Read more »

year of the fox
year of the fox

They say Saggo Rising needs its freedom. I can agree with that as I have the same rising. Some peeps have speculated that Venus square neptune deliberately chooses “losing propositions” subconsciously so things won’t work out so freedom stays in tact. I would have no problem with that if things just stayed casual-fun crush level emotionally. It’s just as I’ve gotten older, it’s not fun anymore to have complete soul crushing moments that take YEARS to get over instead of weeks/months. Atm, I’m just so fucking sick of it. If “Mr. Perfect” (and i say this gritting my teeth with… Read more »

Lauren
Lauren

I can fully agree with all of that, except that if Mr. Perfect did show up that I’d most likely think it was all a practical joke or I’d go into suspicious Scorpio spy mode and start looking for the “too good to be true” catch. So while I think I would vibe marvelously with a deep emotional water sign like myself, I think they’d have to have a heavy dose of fire to pursue and convince me to let my guard down. Someone who is strong enough to stand up to my defensiveness and brave enough to call me… Read more »

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

I have Taurus Saturn in the 7th House and I despise cheating too.

Sha
Sha

I have a Mars/Venus cj in Pisces with only Mars hit by the Neptune square from Cappy . . I’ve started boozing on my Blue Devil Hoochie soon enough to strip it from my wish list soon enough again : i did it, i’ve done it and now i’m over it for good. It’s simply not worth it, taking into account that i LOVE my brain working properly (Cappy Mercury o-oui :^) and if your mentor is properly Neptunian, you cant beat off inspiration and visions (real holographic ones o-oui) eaven with a jedi sword XD . . The Blue… Read more »

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Guilty as charged. Mars (Virgo) square Neptune (Sagg).
One of only two squares in my chart (yep, the other is Venus-Uranus, sheesh!)
If it wasn’t for booze and sexually amorality I would be nothing.

I have boxes of napkins, bus and airplane tickets, torn out pages of note books, meeting agendas, electricity bills and so forth with poems, lyrics, thoughts scrawled in whatever space they’ll fit.

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

I have Mars opp Neptune and venus trine uranus. Off to top self now. Laughing at your comment, “If it wasn’t for booze and sexual amorality I would be nothing”, though.

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

And I repeat (see below), chant it with me Sistar..!!
Sacred Sexuality! Ecstatic Intoxication! Immaculate Consumption!
You know you’re happier on our team 😉

Ms.
Ms.

wow your only two square and it’s mars/neptune venus/uranus
seriously good astro doll

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Yeah, I got no complaints. Defs doing my best to keep them on the HAUTE side, however… And have now pretty much accepted the Eternal Bachelor (+ gay man version of spinster) likelihood of that Uranus-Venus thing. x

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

I have a Virgoian Mars square my Scorpio Neptune. I am also guilty a charged. I write poetry/lyrics and songs everywhere, mostly about madness.
Drugs affect me greatly- too strong. I have to be very careful even with OTC meds.

I am still trying to figure out my Venus/Neptune right now.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

I have been known to drink the blue devil hoochie juice and dance on bars.
It goes in waves. I guess I am a binge drinker. I don’t drink at home only at social functions, and never under the booze influence to write or paint at home.
But, with a little alcohol band practices and songwriting flows.
There’s a lot of Neptune activity going on in my natal chart, so I have to take it easy.

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Me too re: drugs… I even half-dose on Aspirin, and have left all recreationals in the past, could never take a dose ‘subtle’ enough for me – just way too sensitive to the psychic effects of amphetamines and opiates. I can’t even smoke a joint.

Booze on the other hand. I’m virtually a walking distillery.

I guess you gotta know your poison…ah…um…i mean – limits.

Charley
Charley

My favourite Leo of recent times (there’s been a few) has the Mars-Neptune opposition, I felt it and knew there would be some hard aspect. Sure enough! Damn, he’s so handsome I’m not sure I’m strong enough to resist but don’t think I want in on it full time.

I have a loose Venus-Neptune sextile and Moon-Mars-Neptune conjunct, neither of which really account for my own tendency to a spot of Blue Devil wildness, that I’m going to have to blame on genetics.

Catsmeow
Catsmeow

What’s your sun Charley?

Charley
Charley

Scorpio!

Catsmeow
Catsmeow

Yes I just saw that after scrolling down, haha. Must read through all the comments before asking things!

bluelibra
bluelibra

Had to check out my chart via Astrodientist (I always think I’m visiting the astrological equivilant of a dentist with that name but anyway…) and found that I have SHITE load of stuff going on re: Neptune and finally I thought ‘ah ha! this explains sooo much’ am at my most creative when I’m at my craziest. Its like entering an otherworldly yet utterly comforting slightly aquatically tinged bubble where the words and thoughts flow but don’t necessarily need to make sense to anyone…

Charley
Charley

Hahaha snap on the dentist bit, always think that.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

me too.

Steph
Steph

LOVE Bukowski. More so than Edna St. Vincent Millay, but then again they are two completely different poets.

I have Venus-Neptune square, but no, not much booze or crazy creativity, but I do write poetry, as well as short stories. They’re not as good as anything up there either!

Baristagem
Baristagem

😯

I have Sagg Neptune – conjunct MC – in opposition to Gemini Venus & Virgo Mars square Neptune…

Mystic I feel a little exposed here… 😯

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