She Gave Me An Apple And It Was Red

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Snow White witch with appleMichael Whelan

Bitch-Goddess-Dark-Moon Lilith is nearing Uranus & so this would seem like a brill topic to go all astro-bats-Jungian-run-with-the-Wolfie on, yes?

My points:

* An apple, when you slice it in half, has a pentagram in it.  Dan Brown & Da Vinci Code did wonders to make this fact tres well-known, even amongst skeptics.

* In the Biblical Genesis, Eve is enticed to eat an apple & thus brings Original Sin into the Equation. It was a Snake who dunnit. Or, says the Jewish bible, Lilith, the first wife of Adam.

* Snow White’s wicked stepmother tries to murder her with a poisoned red apple. Note also that in some of the stories she has a slutty/Black Swan of a sister: Rose Red. And, o.m.g the Norse Venus – Freya – famously slept with several dwarves to get her hand on the magical amber necklace of Brisingamen.

* Sundry fairy tales have evil beauties and/or rank old hags trying to tempt virginal maidens with the red apple.

Is it really just because of the pentagram shape in the middle?  Remember that Venus as the Morning Star is Lucifer – which means light-bearer.  Obviously it got turned by Christians into the demon character and yes i AM actually pre-menstrual.

Who wants to come over with some patchouli scented candles, raw super-foodie choc and a bucket of biodynamic Blue Devil Hoochie Juice to discuss Lilith with me?

Seriously – thoughts?  On the Red-Apple-Enticement-Evil-Woman-Lilith thing, not my time of the month lol.

The Goddess Freya Under An Apple Tree – Arthur Rackham

I went down to the river
To meet the widow
She gave me an apple
And it was red

I slept in her black arms
For a century
She wanted nothing in return
I gave her nothing in return

The ghost of her husband
Beautiful as a horse
Pulled up an apple cart
Full of millions of red apples for us
Full of millions of red apples for us

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Saturnrox
Saturnrox

odd. Leafing through a book in the library today I found this… “Could the ‘Garden of Eden’ be the protective bubble of the space between atoms in which it is possible to taste all ‘fruit’, all options and possibilities, except for one ?” meaning here knowledge is “the state of actual physical entrapment in a physical universe” , goes on to point out that magnetic force fields are shaped exactly like an apple, that the snake of the tree may mean sine wave forms. hmmm…Interesting thought, fair warning the book is a little out there, called Grey Aliens by Nigel… Read more »

The Empress
The Empress

What a juicy post and lots of juicy replies.

lol about slutty sister Rose Red. I still have a children’s book about Snow White and Rose Red and I remember how I favoured Rose Red (she seemed spunkier). I’ve rarely heard her mentioned over the years though.

*off to eat a juicy red apple*

Nate
Nate

Hey Mystic, What signs do you think Adam, Eve and Lilith would be?

Im think Eve a Libro/Pisces. Lilith a Scorp or Aries….

I’m going Cancerian for Adam, ‘cos in Waites “The Lovers” major arcana he’s staring at Eve’s boobs. And we all know male cancerians, regardless of orientation, are tit men….

Nate
Nate

One thing I always loved about “the original sin” is the misconception that Adam and Eve were exiled for eating the apple. Verse 22, however, suggests that it was to stop them from eating of the Tree of Life as well and becoming immortal…. 22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever” — 23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to… Read more »

SourPatch
SourPatch

I have the bitch goddess conjunct my moon in the 8th ( and I do love apples) so I would be happy to put in my 2 cents. The world has a major Madonna/whore complex. Why else would we get all these tales with sweet innocent virgins eating apples and all that crap? I should just marry a Scorpio Moon…they’re one of the few who don’t seem to care much about that stuff. As long as you have integrity, you’re fine. Secondly, if Im not mistaken, the pentagram has nothing to do with devil worshipping or hell. Overzealous twits who… Read more »

SourPatch
SourPatch

And the eating of the fruit = taking off the blinds of ignorance, to my POV anyways. If you’re fundamental you could just go with the Sunday School definition: disobeying God…bad.

I’m not Anti-Christian, at all btw. I love Jesus Christ, he’s a true rebel. I just hate where religion has been taken nowadays.

mrcreosote
mrcreosote

“Tree Of Knowledge” – The Pursuit of Happiness He takes a bite of the apple And a vision appears He follows the light until the image is clear He sees her porcelain beauty Against another man’s skin He hears her moaning A way she hadn’t for him With grotesque fascination He watches until they fall still He burns with the knowledge of good and evil (Chorus) He feels like he’s falling, falling Out of grace and into knowledge He watches with dry eyes Eyes that have changed One final memory of the vision remains Her playful body enjoying the sweet… Read more »

mrcreosote
mrcreosote

maybe it is just me, but perhaps the virgin/apple connexion is because when you take a slice out of an apple, or cut one in half, it looks like a vagina. So, the apple represents female sexuality, and by eating the apple, the virgin becomes sexually aware.

the big thing that happened when adam and eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge was they discovered they were naked. and we all know what happens when two people get naked.

outofblue
outofblue

I am going into that cave following that Apple. Juno currently in Virgo. Eve-the naive, lost in dangerous temptation.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

~I slept in her black arms For a century She wanted nothing in return I gave her nothing in return~ This reminds me of the simplicity of being, being in the moment, without judgement of our experience. Think the pentegram is symbolic of spirit manifesting into physicality….The top of the pentegram is spirit, the lower four corners, the other elements. There is ‘temptation’ to taste the fruit….The fruit of ‘good and evil’ which is actually judgement/opinion/formulations of our experience which puts the brakes on that experience. Stepping too far outside of what was intended we become over focused on the… Read more »

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries

I always think of that crone apple offering as like- the choice of life- take this, and you will become like me- you will live the life….. have the adventure….step down from the pedestal of purity and get dirty……

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries

Saturnine in a way…..

sagitta
sagitta

My favorite quote about apples is from King Lear: “Men must endure their going hence, even as their coming hither; Ripeness is all.” Yes, it’s true that the quote by itsefl does not indicate that the “ripeness” is about ripe apples. In fact, apples are not mentioned anywhere in Lear, and there is no “fruit motif” either in the play. But I think Shakespeare was thinking about apples when he wrote “Ripeness is all” and this is why: apples are well-known as the fruit that drop like bombs as soon as they are ripe. (Unlike oranges, they don’t keep lingering… Read more »

The Empress
The Empress

“It’s also interesting that apples (associated with the tree of knowledge in Eden) are given to teachers as a token of appreciation. Are teachers our modern-day “witches”? Keepers of knowledge and frequently female”.

I LOVE this thought sagitta. 🙂

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

Lilith in Virgo 11th No wonder my friends think I am such an uptight bitch ‘cuz it must be true! 😉

Anonymous
Anonymous

everything from toothpaste to cars is being marketed with tits & ass , television advertising has reduced societies viewpoint of women in the media to the lowest common denominator, Sex Objects ONLY.
It is an infuriating insult to my intelligence, and to women everywhere.

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

I know I was born an Aries and have never felt inferior to anyone, but really, have any of you actually experienced any of this patriarchal domination, or is it just something that sounds nice to talk about? I firmly believe you are only weak if you allow yourself to be. And it wasn’t Christians who demonized Lucifer, that was the Jews. Christians adopting the Jewish myths took that one too. Apples are a fruit that kept well and were common to many fairy tale origin lands. Today, maybe virginal beauties would be tempted with hamburgers or pizza. That makes… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

my paycheck reflects it

T
T

Uh, yes, I have. And I don’t know another woman who hasn’t. It doesn’t make US weak and inferior, it makes the delusional bastards who try to enforce dominance on us assholes.

Bluesky
Bluesky

Question: How is Oscillating Lilith different from the other one and why choose one over another? I see the Lilith on astro.com that I can simply check and then the symbol appears on my chart. But then there is True or Black Moon Lilith that appears near the other one, but seems to be a different entity.

Both of them are in Scorpio, which I like. And conjunct Neptune and my IC, which I have no idea how to read, except that I might have a strong Lilith role yet also have some confusion around it:D.

VS
VS

one of my favorite pastimes is eating Pink Lady apples in public. Considering switching to a juicy red delicious…

Pegasus
Pegasus

Oh, a ‘statement’ accessory :-)!

year of the fox
year of the fox

I love apples but not as fond of these patriarchal myths. Most fruits are ovaries of the plants anyways. yeah!

body is PMSing too…new moon will be soon…
When I was young, I never noticed that we naturally bleed close to time of either new moon or full moon. It’s comforting now.

virgo rising
virgo rising

Then again there is the round red fruit that I grew up calling a chinese apple, another name for the pomegranate…which seems to me to be much more fitting as a temptation…all those ruby globules…all those running red juices and all the mess you make getting them out of their casing. Apples are way to crisp and clean and white and clear cut to be connected with temptation, sine or women’s wiles…too neat and sterile.

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

Pomegranates are inherent in the Pluto/Hades/Persephone myth.

Whomever wrote the bible didn’t specify. Someone’s suggestion above was to google “forbidden fruit” – most interesting. Figs, “love apples” or tomatoes, apples amongst other fruit. Doesn’t matter what the forbidden fruit was it was all about the seductive evil of women. Fiction by the male powers that were.

* I do however like the symbolism of the pentagram within the apple and also the connection between the fig and the female genitalia.

Pegasus
Pegasus

If i remember my Lillith is in Aqua…….sheesh, that’s a bit of a wimpy
position for a Lillith, isn’t it? In a benevolent sign.
I like the myth that she had to be on top for sex & not bonk like the ‘beasts’.

Actually knew 2 women called Lillith, taken as nom de plumes.
Yeah both flaming red hair & radical feminists, very 80’s.

Maybe Chiron is Scorpio makes up for Lillith not being in a fire sign.

Lauren
Lauren

My Lilith is in Leo in the 7th house. I’ve read that Lilith in the 7th can represent a struggle between wanting commitment and being independent; between psychoanalysing yourself to figure out your flaws, but being too stubborn to make chances that would bring improvement and inevitably falling into the same self-destructing behaviors. Since Lilith is at the end of Leo, it means that old karmic baggage should be tossed away in order to accept the positive attributes of the following sign. So I guess for me this means that there is some Leo-related badness that I need to ditch… Read more »

Lauren
Lauren

Wait…got that wrong. It’s at the beginning of Leo. Not sure what that means now.

The Empress
The Empress

Just guessing here but maybe Lilith in Leo in the 7th is you demanding to be queen (and treated as such) in relationships but wanting a king beside you.

Lauren
Lauren

I’ll accept that. My ideal partner has always been someone who can be my equal, on the same wavelength as me and stand strong by my side.

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

omg Pegs! I could never think of Aqua as wimpy or purely benevolent – it’s almost insulting – lol. And i have nothing but Psyche in Aqua in my 12th house.

I “heart” Aqua energy – they are the unpredictable maverick Uranian/Saturnian individuals – shit-stirrers, awakeners and the fighters for the collective; and yes can be aloof and bats too, but mostly in a good way (unless you are dating one). Sorry, i just can’t liken Aquas with weak goody-goodies; NEVER.

Pegasus
Pegasus

No darling, not Aqua’s being wimpy, meaning not a strong placement
for a Lillith in an air sign. Love Aqua’s to bits.
Now i’m happy with my Lillith thanks to you 🙂
( i don’t get out enough)

whatevs
whatevs

No time people life has changed – entry/exit strategy ahoy and I’m dressed up to the nines – transitting lilith is opposing juno – this means divorce?

Seeya x

Robur
Robur

Avalon comes from a Celtic word for apple. It’s the place where Morgana rules as the head-girl, amongst the nine priestesses of healing.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

oooh lovely, thanks Robur. I have Lillith conjunct N Node, Sun conjunct Uranus (adds a dash of masc energy I see as warrior woman take no prisoners) at the tail end of Virgo giving me a bit of the bitch goddess in regards to Gaia. All life is sacred and the patriarchal society has gone ape over the primal energy of ‘mine mine mine’ for far too long. We are all one, important each and every one of us, deserving of the basic right to exist with needs met, resources shared equally. Why do so many men forget they would… Read more »

Lauren
Lauren

Avalon also has underworld ties to it, because the “Apple Isle” was referred to as The Summerland, where Celtic heros of myth like King Arthur went to die. It was supposed to be a land where it was always summer, fruit trees were always in bloom and fields produced wheat and grain without having to be plowed.

Good time to start rereading “The Mists of Avalon”…or maybe just watch the dvd and listen to Loreena McKennitt, since the book is 800 pages long. 🙂

The Empress
The Empress

lol My copy was 1000 pages and I thought I would never get through it. Of course as soon as I finished it i wanted to read it again. Didn’t mind the dvd with Juliana Margulies and Angelica Huston.

Lauren
Lauren

Have you read any of the others, since Mists was a prequel? “The Forest House” is first and tells the story of a Roman priestess long before the time of Morgaine and Vivienne then “Lady of the Lake” is the story of Vivienne’s upbringing and rise to power. They’re not quite as long as Mists. 😉

The Empress
The Empress

No I haven’t. Are they good? I wasn’t sure but now you’ve got me curious again. 🙂

BTW – I left you a message in the Plutoin Cap Book thread. 😀

Lauren
Lauren

I saw it and replied! It’s so cool finding out these connections that people have in common on this site. 🙂 I thought they were good, not quite as epic as Mists, but I’d say worth a read. If you’re like me and actually enjoy reading epic-like 800+ page books, then I can recommend another. “Memoirs of Cleopatra” by Margaret George. Some reviews say that it’s too detailed and the language too flowery, but I really enjoyed it and it pulls you right into her world. I knew how her story ended and I still cried all the way through… Read more »

The Empress
The Empress

Thanks Lauren. I’ll check it out. I wonder how a reviewer can say something is too detailed? The more detail the better I say. I suppose as long as it’s done well. Maybe I’ll read it during the cold winter nights. 🙂

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

Sparse time to read all comments and reply now but have to mention: whilst on my way home today 1) noticed apples had ripened on the neighbours tree and stopped me in my tracks, literally, staring in awe at them, considering the 2 weeks I’ve been away in fruit tree time ( is there a more autistic time of the month?- if so am having it) and 2) whilst on my home this eve I saw a cat lying dead on the road. Stopped and carried it over to the curb and shut it’s eyes. It was still warm. Said… Read more »

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

twinfish, i want to thank you for your kindness to that poor cat. In ’04 we lost our beloved 6 y o chocolate burmese boy – Henri, on the road. We found him laid out peacefully on the footpath (the only telling thing was the tyre mark over his midsection). Oh, i’m spilling tears just now remembering! My son’s kindy teacher said she drove past and saw him in the middle of the road at 7pm (she didn’t know he was ours) and we got home at 8pm and began the short search. So some kind soul had done what… Read more »

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

Oh and i have Lilith in the 10th too, conj Ceres in Sagg.

twinfishrising
twinfishrising

I wonder how your son felt about Henri dying on the road? There’s something incomprehensible about these most intelligent , adaptable , fast, intuitive creatures finding themselves fatally outdone by a metal machine. Just does not make sense.

Ceres and Lillith in sagg 10th is pretty out there. No pulling the wool over your eyes, eh? lol.

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

I hadn’t thought about that aspect in that way before – lol. i’d always put that (no pullin wool) down to my Uranus/Merc/Pluto in Virgo.

Yes very sad time losing Henri. But it brought up the idea of death and what it means – endless questions from both the 4 and 6 y o at the time.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

I took another look my Lilith is Virgo in 10th House, not 11th as I first thought.
Why do I have a vision of an uptight librarian wielding a ruler at chatty patrons? I really hope Lilith in Virgo isn’t that uptight, frumpy and bitchy!
What the heck does Lilith do in the 10th House that’s positive besides criticizing people (employees, co-workers to death)?

Lauren
Lauren

Maybe…your happiness comes from interacting with people in a business setting, consulting with them about a project or helping them meet their goals, which in turn gives you a sense of purpose and self importance that you may not have had growing up. Opportunities for these relationships could come from traveling or networking on an international forum. I think I remember that you’re a Sag Rising, so I’d say work that with the Moon in Sag and your open-minded optimism and visionary insights will draw people to you. You could also end up in a romantic relationship with a like-minded… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

was that for me? Thanks Lauren … I do function well in a consulting setting being self employed. Actually I’m Gem rising … travel is really not my thing (so far). The main call to action these days appears to be about sorting the wheat from the chaff – the good people from the one’s that pretend to be good (or nice), either personally or professionally. I am getting a lot more ruthless …

whatevs
whatevs

so this lilith action is also opposing juno? Radical.
Imagine being born with that aspect.

I got no time to chat – sudden entry/exit strategy ahoy but here’s me bookmarks :

http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/7evelilith.html
http://solar_a_w_e_f.tripod.com/starsforever/id6.html
http://kenoath.wordpress.com/lilith-edits-and-links/

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Never mind the Bible … I just told the Virgo Next Door Neighbour to Get The Eff Out Of My Effing Face after he made yet another irritating, passive aggressive, bullshit filled, no-point remark. Also told the Virgo With Everything In Libra that he was a self obsessed twat. He better not expect me to save his sorry arse next time he collides into the wall he insists on running headlong into. Got no idea where my Lilith resides – somewhere cranky and not prepared to put up with any more stupid bloody bullshit from men I assume. And yep… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

Lilith & Uranus in Libra … intewesting. I’m assuming an opposition? My inner femme rage is opposing the approaching Uranus in Aries male bollocks? Oh I don’t know …

Curious about another thing Part of Fortune in Cap at 0 conjunct moon in Sagg both in the 7th. I don’t know what that indicates but it sounds kewl.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

How to diffuse a passive-aggressive uptight Virgo act airy, flaky but friendly. Channel a friendly Gemini talkative, but keep the talk on other topics that are really positive.
It will diffuse his anal retentive power.control trip.

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

too late … and not in any mood for diffusement. He’s pulled this kinda crap before and this is the last time.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

Trust me I’ve been there- maybe he needed to be yelled a and put in his place. He’ll probably be sacred to fight back but cautious of passive-aggressive attacks.

Baristagem
Baristagem

For sure Mystic! 😯

Just so happens I have a bucket of biodynamic Blue Devil Hoochie Juice in the fridge. I’ll be over once I finished eating this apple that someone left on the table *bites apple* I see what you mean about the star thingy in the middle this apple *chews apple* wow it really is quite tast…

*faints*

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

😆

shell
shell

You are hilarious BG.
🙂

Pegasus
Pegasus

Comedian, huh 🙂

Bluesky
Bluesky

😀

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

Is it Rapunzel where the evil, ugly, old witch uses magic to make herself look young and beautiful? Interesting that age = evil in fairytales. (for women).
I drank some BDHJ last night, not even that much, and have felt SO tired and crap all day. Had pho for lunch and even that did not help. BDHJ-free weekend for me.
If someone could courier me the choc that would be ace though. Sofa-bound.

Lauren
Lauren

Nope, Rapunzel is about the girl with the really long hair who was trapped in a tower by an enchantress, as payment for sparing the life of her father, who trespassed into the enchantresses garden to steal radishes for one of his pregnant wife’s cravings. I saw a live action movie of it as a kid and have had a weird aversion to radishes ever since. 😯

Lauren
Lauren

Oops, take out that “one”. There was only one wife, lol.

Bluesky
Bluesky

Rapunzel involved radishes? Hmmm.

What do radishes symbolize, I wonder?

Lauren
Lauren

Not sure, maybe it has something to do with the bulb of the fruit being underground and hidden away, like Rapunzel was hidden up in the tower? Or the fact that they’re red and symbolize the husband’s love for his wife? “Rapunzel” is actually a German word for a salad plant that has a crunchy root. In English it’s called Rampion, which I think are a kind of radish. It’s only because the Brothers Grimm wrote the story in German that her name remained Rapunzel. Rampion just doesn’t have the same ring to it, lol.

Bluesky
Bluesky

Only a German (speaking as a mother of 1/2 German babies and a son with rabid love of German language and German heavy metal) would name a beautiful child the equivalent of “Radish.”

Lauren
Lauren

Hehe. I have a German friend who has educated me about German heavy metal and the meaning behind some of Rammstein’s lyrics. Subtleties in the word play that you’d only catch if you knew German. He’s tried to teach me some German, but it’s not a language I find easy to grasp. Makes me feel stupid sometimes because his English is perfect and I only know enough German to order a pizza. 😛

Bluesky
Bluesky

Rammstein. That’s the band my son listens to.

If it makes you feel any better, I can’t order pizza in German! Der pizza?

tati scorpitini
tati scorpitini

eine Pizza bitte?

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

I do know that part, but I think there’s a sub story there with the witchy lady. It was in Tangled, so it must be true, right?

Bluesky
Bluesky

I must have missed the radish part of Tangled!:)

Lauren
Lauren

Haven’t seen Tangled, so can’t verify that one. There are different endings to the original story too though. The movie I saw of it as a kid was definitely creepy though, even as a kids movie.

Lucy The Leo
Lucy The Leo

I missed most of it. I tried to take my son and he failed to grasp the finer points of etiquette re movie-going, so we had to leave. It looked vaguely good though. (in comparison to other fare a 3 year old will watch). In my Brothers Grimm book, they were bitter greens, not radishes. It is a creepy story.

Lauren
Lauren

I’ve heard in other versions that it’s called “lamb’s lettuce” too. And all because a pregnant woman was craving a salad. Odd thing to crave, but then I guess lots of pregnancy cravings can be weird. I like the look of the radish, it’s a cute shape. I should probably try them. They’re supposed to be really easy to grow too.

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

Catpower Lyrics!!

2Natured
2Natured

Love Cat Power!

Why is it that men blame sexual indescretion on being seduced? Then their wife/gf blame the other woman too. Go to court and listen in on a day of injunction hearings and you’ll hear more cases of two women fighting over some skinny assed guy who has been screwing them both. But the women blame each other and not him.

Why is the woman always the villan? Just sayin’ we can’t always blame the fairy tales.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

Good question. Perhaps women don’t think the men has the ability to think or reason, but a woman does? lol!
It’s kinda of an insult to a man isn’t it?
Also, women should not intentionally pursue a married/taken man it’s against the rules against other woman. An unspoken rule of womanhood.

T
T

That sounds wonderful, since I’m also…well, I guess I’m just plain MSing right now. I remember when I was a kid and first heard the story of Adam and Eve–instead of being properly shamed and guilty, I thought, “Ooh, Eve could talk to snakes!”* And really, what are all these stories but evidence of men’s longstanding fear/jealousy of women’s inherent, magical connection to nature (well, that, and their apparent inability to take responsibility for their own actions! “The evil lady’s sexy sexiness made me do it!” Sure, dude.)? *First step in a long, fun journey towards lapsed Catholicism. My religious… Read more »

Lauren
Lauren

I was one of those kids too T! I always disputed everything in the Bible that didn’t make sense instead of quietly agreeing with the Sunday school teachers. Damnit, I didn’t want to color or make nativity scenes out of playdough, I wanted my questions answered! And yes, Eve was so much cooler because she could talk to snakes. 😉

Btw, if you wiki “forbidden fruit” you get all sorts of different ideas on what the “fruit” could be.

Bluesky
Bluesky

Same here. The visiting minister stopped acknowledging my raised hand (age 9 or 10). I even pestered him after bible study class and he actually rolled his eyes! creep. He didn’t know how to (or didn’t want to) engage his brain and allow himself to think about my questions. Also PMSing, drinking veggie raw juice, and stewing on male domination vs. female superiority stuff. And finishing night with a cocktail that is sort of healthy (I tell myself) because I use fresh juice. As for Lilith, I didn’t know about her until I was an adult and could not believe… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

“The evil lady’s sexy sexiness made me do it!”

Love it T !!!

tati scorpitini
tati scorpitini

<- c'est moi, tati…

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

yeah. I’ll join you on a feminist rampage mystic babe, always up for that, love a solid rant/debate / fact finding mission on the feral disgustingness of the silty, slimy depths of (un)consciousness and juddgement that many loooove to heap on the ‘wicked’ (read: not doing what they’re ‘told’) females of the world. Can anyone say “projection”? anyway ranting again… overtired (reached new depths of disorganisation today, yoweee) And as for the virginal / apple thing, sure whatever, if society feels they have to place some sort of framework of judgement over what nature sees as a pretty normal continuum… Read more »

prowlncrab
prowlncrab

“You don’t see cows or parrots or snakes getting off / judging the females over virginity or anything do you? Nope, just fuqing wierdo humans, as usual … ”

Too funny UP. Yep the whole sexist male/female crap gets so old after awhile dunnit?

Pegasus
Pegasus

‘Rats are hero’s in Mozambique’. They are detecting land mines there (0ver 500.000 mines left over from war) as lighter than dogs & trained to sniff them out, therby saving thousands of peoples legs & arms not being blown off and enabling the country to then have their agriculture and investment back in the country. The Mozambiques have said ‘God sent the rats’ although it was a Belgian that came up with the idea from his love of the critters, started training huge local ones. The Belgian said his friends used to smirk at his rat-care, now they saving lives.… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus

She stopped to pick up the apples & lost the race.

Hathor's Horns
Hathor's Horns

There was story of how the goddess of discord Eris, rolled a golden apple into a party to which she had not been invited. It was labelled “To the Fairest” and it caused a bit of a bitch fight between Athene, Hera and Aphrodite, thus bringing about the Trojan War.

Anonymous
Anonymous

sure does prowln, i’d love to think we’re beyond gender (in some senses) but hey. I suppose even I have my moments :\

Lauren
Lauren

I read a rather feminist book once all about the Goddess and the evil hypocrisies of patriarchal religions and it said that the word “apple” isn’t actually mentioned in the Bible. I looked it up and it’s true. It just says “fruit”, but never says apple. So it’s likely that the reference to an apple as being evil could have been added later and was never meant to imply that apples (or pentagrams?) were representative of evil or sin. Figs are mentioned by name, and if the Garden of Eden was supposed to be in the Middle East somewhere, then… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

apple trees are indigenous to Afghanistan and Khazakstan.

ps I love the song. Cat Power covers the Bill Calahan (aka Smog) original. Look up his music if you haven’t heard it. There are lots of songs about horses. My favourite goes

‘ let me see the colts
who will ruuuuun next year’

ok so not so good in text – but anyway beautiful song.

balancing
balancing

sorry that was me
and look up ‘dress sexy at my funeral’ too

FireyBovine
FireyBovine

Yes!!! My Absolute Favourite. But these apple lyrics I always hear in catpower voice

shell
shell

*sigh* Bill
You can eat my apple any time.

balancing
balancing

handsome but i think a bit of a jerk
oh well- such are male musicians.

yes I agree Firey the cover is better of ‘widow’, and I do love cat power’s voice.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wow! I will be right over , It seems like there will be some good healing happening Joy!!! Mystic

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