Douglas Coupland Is Mercury Saturn Conjunct

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Generation X author Douglas Coupland is Mercury Saturn Conjunct, and it shows. His latest work is wry, cynical, and, well, Saturnine.

He is SUPER Capricorn – Sun, Venus, Mars, Mercury, and Saturn all tight together in the sign of the Sea-Goat. Now THAT is what i call a multiple conjunct Capricorn. Of course, he is concerned with generations, time, and what endures or does not.

I just read The Radical Pessimists Guide To The Future which is his guide to Pluto in Capricorn, though Coupland does not call it that. It is witty and insightful but tinged with gloom.  In fact, what better description for a Mercury Saturn conjunct person than “radical pessimist?”

Here are a few extracts from it.

The middle class is over. It’s not coming back…Remember travel agents? Remember how they just kind of vanished one day? That’s where all the other jobs that once made us middle-class are going – to that same, magical, class-killing, job-sucking wormhole into which travel-agency jobs vanished, never to return. However, this won’t stop people from self-identifying as middle-class, and as the years pass we’ll be entering a replay of the antebellum South when people defined themselves by the social status of their ancestors three generations back. Enjoy the new monoclass!

 In the same way you can never go backward to a slower computer, you can never go backward to a lessened state of connectedness

Enjoy lettuce while you still can And anything else that arrives in your life from a truck, for that matter. For vegetables, get used to whatever it is they served in railway hotels in the 1890s. Jams. Preserves. Pickled everything.

 Mercury Saturn Conjunct is dour but usually correct. These people have a way of nailing a situation or dynamic.

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I think you are all missing the point about Douglas Coupland, firstly he’s Canadian, not American, secondly I think you are all missing his somewhat tinged with melancholy but still wicked sense of humor.

Mystic aren’t you always saying that Capricorn is the mystical sea-goat?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

~* In the same way you can never go backward to a slower computer, you can never go backward to a lessened state of connectedness~

But back to a lessened state of consciousness? Oh yes we can.

What’s that song by John Lennon?

“It’s like starting over”

😆

I really enjoyed reading all the posts here. So many smart and informed peeps.

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy

If they’ll scan our essays for subversion I’m right in the crap too 😉

x
x

Life on earth is already a hell to some and a heaven to others, most people though live somewhere in between. This is the way its always been always will be. Spoilt, egotistical westerners have ravaged the planet in a couple of hundred years, the sooner them and their lifestyles are gone the better. The extreme self centeredness of our ‘modern’ society is pretty sickening and as usual Coupland sees the future thru his tiny apertured US style western mind, already dulled and decaying. The future doesn’t belong to us, maybe thats why it seems so depressing. Intellectual property, ha… Read more »

andromeda
andromeda

Hm, I get that point of view also. But I think that the ‘spoilt westerners’ are only doing what they understood from their viewpoint to be normal – survival to the point of stripping the environment is done by all races that exist in non nomadic lifestyles (‘Guns, Germs & Steel’ !) not just westerners. Until we had the internet and cheap travel we couldn’t see for ourselves the actual state of the world. It’s not like the media/schools really educated either. Plus I truly believe that finance is not taught in schools for a reason. It’s not that hard… Read more »

shell
shell

Ah petal, the agony of the planet? For the sake of your emotional wellbeing I truly hope not xxo

andromeda
andromeda

Having kids opened this door for me. Now I worry about every baby and child suffering like it is my own. A part of me goes wandering out the door of my mind and I am filled with the pain of all these souls loss of innocence. It’s very hard on my emotional wellbeing you are right That’s partly why when I meditate I focus on creating a psychic fortress for myself. Doing compassion meditation is very helpful also, spreading it out to infinity… I just think it is the mothering instinct gone beserk. It made me realise we are… Read more »

leony
leony

35) Stupid people will be in charge – so whats new ?? 41) the implanting of images that cannot be removed (shudder) also not new 42) too wierd – how many people already list shopping as a hobby !!! & yeah some of it is coool – metaphor drift, no cars, eating local food 5) separation anxiety will become your permanent state & 17) You may well burn out on the effort of being an individual – also ring tru to me I’m getting over feeling frustration & despair about the future & just being happy to enjoy the chaos,… Read more »

watersprite
watersprite

ouch! all i can say in a completely naieve way is thank god for australia, I just got an email from my sister in brisbane and she said that 60,000 people went out cleaning strangers houses and only 10 people looted, and that her hubbies american clients said it would be the other way round in the US.

andromeda
andromeda

Brilliant! Man after my own heart. I agree but in a, “What an opportunity, yay, let’s live with less and builder stronger social networks!!” chipper kinda way. I read this with a feeling of deep affinity as I keep dreaming of the future at the moment. Last one I was walking with about 40 other young people and Adrian Grenier (who was a model) to a fashion launch. No one was going to buy anything as no one had any money. They were just going to look and hang out and drink cut-rate beer. There were no cars either. It… Read more »

Lauren
Lauren

Interesting ideas Andromeda. The only thing I have a problem with is thinking of the Olsen Twins as “Heroes”. I’ll idolize Katherine Hepburn, but not Mary Kate and Ashley. 😛

The thing about “knowing everything becoming dull” reminds me of a quote by the Dali Lama I heard once, that basically said that humans spend so much time trying to understand the “outside” world around us that we seldom take a close look at the “inner” or spiritual worlds that exist within us.

andromeda
andromeda

The Olsens were just representative of a generation (born 1961 – 1981). The Hero group are associated with Prometheus or in a Jungian function as Reason (Artists – Dionysius & Intuition. Prophets – Apollo & feeling. Nomads – Epimetheus & sensation). Hepburn is awesome! I am a also a ‘hero’ 😉 probably you too!

x
x

The olsens are a perfect representation of a generation? Boring, overpaid, talentless bimbos, not my generation thanks very much. All this fourth turning, point of crisis malarky, I mean really, every generation churns out the same crap, its called ego. There hasn’t been one generation in the western civilization that hasn’t claimed that they alone live at ‘the crisis point’. Pleeeze.

andromeda
andromeda

No, not a perfect representation, just a representation! Bigger patterns in history are not explained by ego alone, though I appreciate the notions of separateness and fear are the usual suspects for personal issues.

bull with sting in tail
bull with sting in tail

Hidden depths Andromeda

listening with interest

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Ye-ouch Dromie…. 😆

~There hasn’t been one generation in the western civilization that hasn’t claimed that they alone live at ‘the crisis point’. Pleeeze.~

Think that’s why we ~are~ evolving…. Truly, human evolution is born of crisis, at least thus far. Most spiritual books that know anything about enlightenment will speak of this. Christ had five steps to enlightment (initations) that were born out of crisis. Each human being eventually has to go thru the same thing.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

So I say let Coupland have his pessimsim. Part of the journey. After all, why do you think Christ said “take this cup from me?” He cleaned up alot of karma. He didn’t do it all but he had a lot of crap to deal with. So, here we are folks. We now have to clean up our own. And the values of the 1-2% rich and greedy…. They are not mine, and even tho I will be subjected to a corporatist America coming soon and may end up at the poverty line, I will still have my values and… Read more »

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

I hear ya, Sweets.
Proud to work non-profit arts
Waving the pax flag too~

andromeda
andromeda

Well there hasn’t been a lifetime that hasn’t seen some crisis (unless it was a short one?). My Nana is 95 and she saw the Great Depression, the Second World War, etc. There is no reason a new crisis cannot occur. Normalcy bias is a psychological term for our natural reaction to a crisis, when we don’t believe things can go wrong because we have never seen them go wrong before in our own lifetime. I like your take Sweetpea, pessimism is boring (but I do love realism!). Values are everything. I would rather know who I am on the… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

I’m on board with 37) People will stop caring how they appear to others

anymouse
anymouse

even Librans? 😉

roadhouse41
roadhouse41

Oh, I don’t think so. Here’s the thing: the ability comes with an early-childhood/early civilization *need* to “story”. This is why we have so many old ones. This is why we arrange our psyches into cognitive arcs. It’s not a habit or a psychotherapeutic tool: it is something innate in human processing. We tell stories and in this way we find meaning. It is the only way and it’s been going on for a long long time. The simple fact is that human cognitive processing does not work without the story, without the pattern, without the image, without the emotion,… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

Well let’s take lettuce for example .. the only people who are going to fret over the lack of lettuce really are like … idon’tknow – anorexics?? And I mean after 200 years of no lettuce eating do you think the people of that potential future era are going to be freaking out due to the lack of lettuce? Noooooo because they’ve never tasted lettuce and thus couldn’t give a shit about their lettucelessness state, being quite content to tuck into a bowl of delicious fermented algae which, by then, will quite possibly be considered the height of haute cuisine.… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

ps. pessimists, like atheists, are simply people who lack imagination

Baristagem
Baristagem

😯

*applause*

(I’d kind of miss lettuce… 😯 )

Baristagem
Baristagem

:mrgreen:

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

~lettucelessness state~

😆

prowlncat
prowlncat

ps. ps. Einstein considered imagination more important thank knowledge

Lauren
Lauren

Of course he would, being a genius and all. 😛

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

I keep trying to like lettuce but it’s a lost battle. And anyway, do Asian countries go into hissy fits if there’s no lettuce, or is because the diet nazis have convinced us we must have lettuce or die????

bull with sting in tail
bull with sting in tail

Lettuce is an overdeveloped thistle !

No, really. My garden generously imparts them them after growing at least one plant to seed. Prolific little buggers

Let us let the lettuce lattice our lives

You know its gunna happen

leony
leony

Absolutely, most herbs & vegs will self seed if left to do so – you just need original seeds, not commercial hybrid ones designed to produce infertile plants …

Savannah
Savannah

Hahaha! Beautiful!

Libraquarius
Libraquarius

How profoundly depressing and what a miserable world to imagine! Uranus runs amok in my chart a bit, plus Venus hangs around, and I’m pretty chipper about the future. What I do think is that all need to live by who we’re meant to be, to empower ourselves, rather than wish we were someone else. Perhaps I’ll be Plutonian and wish for an end to the celebrity cult, someone being someone just by name with no talent except a gift for self-promotion and self-publicity. We live in dangerous AND exciting times, be positive, enough with the misery. There’s enough around… Read more »

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Hmmm. No. Future Shock and a little Neil Postman. Well, doom and gloom predictions have never panned out. Global warming could be a cyclical pattern that has visited before. Lettuce may survive. Hasn’t anyone ever noticed the human race is rather ingenious about surviving? I’d rather believe in the underwater cities that were supposed to save us from ourselves back in the 70’s predictions. Fear sells? Don’t these people ever get out? Tunnel vision.

T
T

I apologize if this could be considered a thread-jacking, but since Mystic mentioned it, I remembered that I’m a bit confused about chart rulers: I’m Pisces rising, but my Moon is smack-dab on my ascendant, so would that be considered the ruler of my chart? Or is it still Neptune (or the traditional Jupiter, which is right on my Midheaven and therefore seems like it’d be more important?). Anyway, I haven’t read any of Coupland’s books, but judging from that article, I’d find him tiresome. Change will come no matter what, and it’s never either all bad or all good.… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Neptune is your chart ruler as Pisces is rising. The rising rules the chart.

The Moon in Pisces is emphasized but look to what house Cancer rules also as it will be Moon ruled.

Jupiter is the ancient ruler of Pisces so look to Sagg and what house Sagg (Jupiter ruled), rules.

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

Generation X is and was an AWESOME book! Love Douglas Coupland.

whatevs
whatevs

OH MY GOD I am like, having this issue right now, already – ” … “You” will be turning into a cloud of data that circles the planet like a thin gauze While it’s already hard enough to tell how others perceive us physically, your global, phantom, information-self will prove equally vexing to you: your shopping trends, blog residues, CCTV appearances – it all works in tandem to create a virtual being that you may neither like nor recognize. ” BE AWARE of the clouds – a place where nothing will belong to you anymore, if the cloud is located… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

Oh, and if your institution has a “partnership” with a software company – microsoft for instance and they start demanding you submit essays in the microsoft proprietary file format – a word doc, if this isn’t a convenient file format for you or if you have ethical reasons for wanting to give microsoft a swerve then you are within your rights to request that you can submit your essays in pdf format or another universally accepted format. Institutions have no right to force you to consume a product simply because they have made a business decision to use a particular… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

my astro: natal pluto conjunct jupiter conjunct uranus conjunct sun conjunct south node on the IC with Jupiter and Uranus conjunct chiron and north node opposing right now on the MC. I think the uranian bits you seek mystic, will be the little people like me thinking and saying fuq you to corporations and bureaucracies and their demands that we purchase goods we don’t need in order to feather their nests or further their interests. We are all so groomed to consume and I am so OVER IT. And for fuqs sake re the shops having to sell fruit that’s… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

yes, i realise the floods have nothing to do with douglas coupland. I just had to get it all off my chest. I have started reading the difference engine by William Gibson & Bruce Sterling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Difference_Engine is kinda steam punk alt history thing. LOVING IT.

Equilibrium Girl
Equilibrium Girl

Yeah, everything will be blamed on “the floods”, whatevs. They say lettuce is going to be impossible to find unless you grow your own, prices are going up on everything, blah blah. For fuqs sake, I had to buy milk at my local Woolies (world’s worst) and oh looky, empty shelves again. AGAIN! STILL!! Yes, this area was badly hit here in Brisvegas but the world didn’t stop turning! And all the roads are open again! And not THAT many cows died (poor forgotten flood victims). It’s ppl being greedy and hoarding. I asked idiot Woolies worker drone when they… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

Babe if I thought it’d get to you before it went off I’d post you some milk and maybe one of those instant vege garden things from bunnings which are perfect for growing lettuce on the balcony. I’m so soz things are so haywire in your neck of the woods – it’s awful – your house etc. was OK? Hoarding is one of those vile human nature things – not much help to you, but it is what people do in times of scarcity. They might bang on about being all in it together but they’ll have a stash of… Read more »

Equilibrium Girl
Equilibrium Girl

All good here, Whatevs 🙂
Just the lack of petrol, bread, vegies, toilet paper (!) and milk that made the week or two quite uncomfortable.
But here’s me safe in my house that’s still standing so I must admit I’m terribly fortunate.

Herby
Herby

The hoarding has been ridiculous hasn’t it. And yes, we do have roads open. And the crazy thing is a truckie gets everything from Sydney to almost overnight. So there’s no real flood excuse for us Brisbanites who have roads open again. As for lettuce … it’s not so easy to grow in a Brisbane summer. Rocket grows like the clappers but lettuce wilts. Our local lettuce farm (yes, I have a local lettuce farm) has ripped theirs up and sown a green manure until the season starts again. I think some fruit & veg will be more expensive but… Read more »

Lucy the Leo
Lucy the Leo

I read on a forum that the growers under contracts (usually exclusive) to Coles & Woolies are locked into fixed prices for their produce, regardless of supply, scarcity or whatevs. So these high prices are basically a con.

fluidfeline
fluidfeline

Hey EQ this is prob too late but weirdly my sista from chelmer was freaking about food shortagesin nearby supermarkets yet in my area (ashgrove) relatively unaffected by flood (surreal) supermarkets as per normal. So she shopped over my way. Think by now 28/1 things have improved though i must say as i have been “away” i had not realised the extent of disaster. Even though my sista and family did not lose upstairs contents they cannot move back home for unknown time and she’s who i thought was the strong one in the family. Yet she did break down… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra

so long as that tea is non-gene tweaked whatevs

Ms.
Ms.

they will make money out of anything, totally f*cked politics.

great rant x

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

wow. I agree- interesting concepts and you are onto something!

Lauren
Lauren

Hmm, I just graduated from university and mine used Blackboard. I don’t remember ever being told anything about my intellectual property rights or even hitting an “I agree” button on the Blackboard website. I just entered my student ID, passcode and that was it. I did find it annoying that after one semester all my posted assignments from that time disappeared into cyberspace. Luckily I always made back-up copies for myself, but I had professors that refused to be handed an assignment any other way. And if Blackboard was ever down or having technical difficulties, don’t expect to get any… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

interesting – I was told they hold your work for 7 years and are obliged by law to do so, so you should have been able to get it back. Maybe it was inconvenient for them. Thank god you had a back-up – doing it once is enough.

I had paused at # 16 because it was so temporally relevant to my current institutional irks and on returning to finish reading the list I suspect I am officially a radical pessimist. I prefer to think of it as informed realist.

shell
shell

‘Are your essays being surveilled to see if you have subversive tendances? Will you be tagged and tracked forevermore because of something you said in politics 101?’

From my experience of marking assignments there’s very little chance of that … When you’re getting paid pittance to read 30 of them, it’s in one eye and out the other.

I also doubt you’d have many researchers/academics posting things on blackboard, beyond lecture notes, were way too thingy about presenting ideas in forums that count towards promotion.

I’d say undergrads should be way more worried about the shite they put on facebook.

shell
shell

Although a lovely postgraduate lecturer I had once suggested it was wise to always mark all docs with your name and date, as a footer. Thus claiming IP This was more about senior academics stealing student ideas than technology though.

shell
shell

And my final point. Lettuce, what a stupid example, seriously has the man never put dirt in a pot?

bull with sting in tail
bull with sting in tail

hahahahahahahhah

whatevs
whatevs

it’s not the academics I’m talking about Shell, it’s the owners of the data storage devices overseas where the clouds will be hovering that I’m talking about. The business people who “partner” the universities, not the intellectuals.

whatevs
whatevs

My point is we need to be aware of the implications of the clouds – intellectual property is big issue and the more institutions “partner” with multi-nationals the bigger the issue will become. Another example of the implications of Universities partnering with industry – and the IT industry in particular, is when essays are submitted to turnitin, the plagiarism software used by some institutions. The essays are then stored on the turnitin database and become one of their assets – ie: student work becomes the property of a private company outside the realms of their school and becomes one of… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

nice, whatevs. More healthy mistrust please! I agree with your perspective. We blindly blat around on the internet assuming everything is for the best. This is how others profit best non? I have seen ‘turnitin’ as a pre-submission option with my online uni submissions. I”ve never bothered to run my assignment through first though – firstly because i knew it was all my own work – every bloody word and sentence, accent, circumflex and comma (it was a foreign language) and secondly because i resented the implication. Still got marked . I am even more keen to avoid it now.

whatevs
whatevs

LOL shell is that why the tutors will never answer questions on Blackboard and always say to talk to them individually? Classic – I’m so over academia and all it entails – am totally considering quitting and studying astrology or making jam.

virgolicious
virgolicious

I like those options whatevs

shell
shell

Ha, not jam, you’ll merely be making his boring lettuce analogy somewhat true.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

ha. I don’t watch television. Amazing the looks I get.
I think it’s weird to spend a real life watching a pretend life.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

Where sadly, television (and overpriced cable companies selling drivel) has failed to educate (with the exception of public television which continues to struggle), I have found access to the internet invaluable.
I am self-taught in many subjects via my library system, and more often through internet research. It is the way of things the yin and yang. Prefer to focus on the positive myself. Be the change I wish to see in the world ~ala Gandhi

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

I had meant to comment on your fist post when I’d read this yesterday.

Yeah, I’ve sorta wondered too what all the fuss is about with actors and all….peeps imitating life. Heck, if I act like a monkey right now, will I get an Oscar award? 🙂 hahaha

Savannah
Savannah

I’m pretty much the same as you Saturnox, get so bored and angry at it, if I was channelling Elvis I’d shoot it. I have my guilty pleasures tho like The Tribe 🙂 lol.

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

Reality TV freaks me out. I agree- turn off the tube and go live a life or at least read, create- DO something productive!

Luna
Luna

Fellow Canadian Douglas Coupland read his novel ‘Player One What is to Become of Us’ as the 2010 Massey Lecture on the CBC radio. I think you’d find it more than Uranian enough, and personally recommend the podcast as it’s a treat to hear the author inflect his own work.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/oct/16/player-one-douglas-coupland-review

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