Pre & Post Saturn-Return

Alex PragerMy son’s 20 yro glamorous Jung-addicted Scorpio friend just asked me about life beyond Saturn Return.Β  She was gazing at me all caramel limbs and goo-goo eyes, as if I’d just transmogrified back from Mars successfully.

First Saturn Return,” i hissed back. “There are at least three.”

And I am going to blame this on Mercury Retrograde, my week on hold and some Pluto factors BUT all i could think of to tell her was that pre-Saturn Return i used to run or skip down escalators in my stilettos and could drink my own body weight in champagne but feel nothing more than mild ennui the next morning.

Pre-Saturn Return you’re also a hell of a lot more hung up on what other peeps think about you/winning their approval.

What do you think?

And if you are pre-your first Saturn Return, what are you most concerned about?

There are also umpteen Saturn postings and brilliant comments in the Saturn category btw.

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I don’t write a comment, but after reading a few of the comments on Pre & Post Saturn-Return – Mystic Medusa.
I do have some questions for you if it’s okay.
Is it only me or does it seem like a few of the responses appear like they are coming from brain dead individuals?
πŸ˜› And, if you are posting at other social sites,
I would like to follow anything fresh you have
to post. Could you list of the complete urls of your social networking sites like
your Facebook page, twitter feed, or linkedin profile?

Anon
Anon

I never knew about Saturn Returns before yesterday. Turns out I’m in the middle of it right now. It started around September last year. It made me question my relationship, my career, the city I wanted to live in, my friends etc. The last few months have been absolute hell. I had no stability in my life. I broke up with my boyfriend of four years who I loved very much. It was heartbreaking, but I had to walk away because he was not right for me anymore. I moved cities five times in the one year. No kidding. I… Read more »

andi
andi

My SR is finally coming to an end this month, and it is a ton of bricks continually unwinding on itself, or rather, myself, but, yet, I am somewhat sad to see it go. I think it finally got under my skin – the fervent re-organizing, clock-watching, schedule-maintaining. It clicked. Watching the tribe in Gabon perform the Iboga rituals, maybe. There was something built up, so strongly, in opposition, that I had to explore divergence. Every day, I would wake up meditating on representation. Interpersonal chaos, assembling the self and the reflection.

Anon
Anon

Three weeks to go till the end of my Saturn return, which has been an eleven-monther with two peaks. EVERYTHING in my life has had a major spring clean during the Return. My career hit a crossroads – I was promoted, but I decided that success wasn’t worth the stress and have requested to cut down to part-time to give myself time for personal projects. I’ve also got started on the personal projects during the holidays to get the ball rolling. My ten-year relationship also hit a crossroads – we said this year was make or break, and chose break.… Read more »

Tess
Tess

I turned 29 this past April. I was divorced in March of 2013. I also lost my job in January of 2013. I had a mole removed that was melanoma and had to recover from surgery for two months in May of 2013. I was offered my “dream job” to start August 1st of 2013. The offer was retracted and I had to realize that I wanted the job for egotistical reasons. I’m not sure I really wanted the job at all… I don’t know what’s going on! Maybe it’s Saturn, maybe it’s just crap, but I NEED it to… Read more »

Theresa
Theresa

I seriously don’t even know where to begin. What. the. freak. Feb. 1, 84; and my saturn return feels like it started stirring 2 years ago. I felt VERY restless in a number of aspects. According to the calculator, my return will happen in Nov 2013. I’ve been through a divorce, another proposal, and friendship losses and gains. I’ve had some major changes to my career out-look, and I’m starting my own business, which is the most frustrating thing. At the moment, I don’t even know what I’m doing. I am just getting up every day and going through the… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie

I am in my saturn return right now – which is why I’m here reading. I haven’t read any comments yet, I don’t want to be influenced in how I “feel” right now. It, really, is just the low point of my life. Some of my really, truly most important things have completely fallen apart. I’m lucky to still have my family, which is actually also in turmoil (late life divorce), my cat, and my health, because that’s about all I have left. It is like every thing that was not quite perfect, has gotten kicked over to show that… Read more »

VW
VW

That sounds like SR compounded by mercury retrograde, especially the car thing! It has to get better from here.

Theresa
Theresa

I feel for you!!! I really, really do understand!

Architekt-bud
Architekt-bud

White-collar criminals, tax evaders along with the oil-rich make extremely
good targets for house sales.

allyson
allyson

i am smack dab in the middle of my first return. i am 29, and at 28 years old i had been teaching in california for 7 years and was in need of major change. so…i moved to south america to teach at an international high school. within a month of moving here, i was in a car accident with a motorcyclist, diagnosed with stage 2 thyroid cancer, underwent surgery and radiation in another language, my mother was diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer back home in california (the diagnoses happened on the same day!), and a laundry list of… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie

Oh my gosh, me too!! You wrote in May – I hope that you have gotten to the end by now…. Mine has just begun, and already my life is in shambles (I describe it in another comment below).

At least we all have these times – and we can be compassionate when we see others who struggle as a result. Makes us human πŸ™‚

VW
VW

Love will come but hey, finding what truly fulfills us, independent of a romantic relationship, is something really important that we should all be doing. Find that, do that, and love will come. I promise.

So sorry about your health diagnoses and car accident – but amazing, you’re a survivor. You’re going to come out on top, just fine. Saturn has got nothing on you! πŸ™‚

VW
VW

I should also say that I’m in the same place relationship-wise. They never work out, even when I want them to so much. I’ll find myself going down a path of feeling sorry for myself and questioning every decision I’ve made. But I’m trying to focus more on myself at this time. Starting a relationship in the middle of SR probably isn’t a good idea anyway. πŸ˜‰

Amanda
Amanda

Hey lovely people! I’m preparing for my saturn return even though it’s still quite far away. Has anyone had a SR with Saturn in the 4th house in the sign of Capricorn? My Saturn is also squaring my Sun which is in Taurus in the 8th house…a challenging aspect. Any knowledge to get through this specific position or experience having gone through it already would be *very* much appreciated. Or tips in general to make the most of it? I can already feel it! Thanks so much in advance πŸ™‚

Leo Cat
Leo Cat

Wow, this thread is amazing. I feel like my life is falling apart & today my ex says “Saturn Return”… surely, I look it up & I’m in the thick of it Jan 2013-Oct 2013. Thought I’d gone through it early, at age 26 – huge psychic/energetic shift, quit my job to make art full time, huge shift in consciousness/path/beliefs moved back to the country… And after that life was AMAZiNG! Fell in love, was successful and feeling fulfilled… Then BAM! In last few months – partnership (that I thought was THE ONE) has ended, tooth abscess (removed), another broken… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie

Oh, I am in it now…. How did you do, you wrote in quite awhile ago, it is nasty that no one responded to you!

I’m also with my bewildered, but supportive parents as a result of all of this…. We all need humility lessons I guess….

VW
VW

We have the same birthday! Exactly a week away from our “golden” one – 29 on 29. I had some weird health issues back in March and I’m generally really healthy too so I hope it’s cleared up for you by now. As for the guy, it’s all part of the return. Saturn takes everything in your life that’s not working or right for you and brings it all right up to the forefront of your consciousness and forces you to address the issues. It shows us what we’re not happy about in life, and makes us decide how to… Read more »

Leo Cat
Leo Cat

Hey VW,
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, things are starting to look up. Breathing through. Seeing a little clearer!

Yay! Happy Birthday for Monday

Lauren
Lauren

Where to begin. I am so inspired by all of the experiences shared by the people who commented, the things you have all gone through, my goodness! Thank you for sharing. My very first SR began at age 26, which can happen, astrology says age 27-30, but sometimes the energy of a planet can come through early. I am now 28, 2 months from 29, and the SR closed with a few definitive events that made me realize, beyond doubt, it was over. During my first SR, I felt so alone. I didn’t know what was happening to me, and… Read more »

Al
Al

I think my SR happened early. It all hit the fan for me when I was 27 ( Im now 6 weeks away from My 30th) At 27 I went crazy. Had a nervous breakdown. Had a really bad break up. Lost a lot of friends. Changed career paths, then at 29 my father passed away which forced me to face up to a lot of things and really think about where I’m going in life. The events of the last couple of years made me take a long hard look at myself and what I saw wasnt always that… Read more »

k
k

My saturn return has lasted 8 years so far. It started for me in 2004. In last 8 years I have moved over 24 times and lost everything several times over. Right now I have nothing, no friend, family member, job, car and preparing to go to a homeless shelter…for a second time. Is this unusual? Has anyone experienced anything this extreme? I am a capricorn, does that have anything to do with it?

Thanks for any repsonse.

Beatrice
Beatrice

I had my first SR a few years ago, followed by a Saturian visit through my 7th house Leo. Looking back having Saturn cross my Leo sun a couple of times was the worst. Anyway, had some really tough experiences back then; Boss from hell, back-stabbing colleagues, lousy love life, no help in sight – that’s how it felt, what went on was that I had to learn that it starts with me and ends with me – everything does. I learnt in those years how to be a responsible human being. Everything is never perfect; but Saturn taught me… Read more »

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

My ex Saggo Jupiter exact conjunct my Saturn. A friend has Jupiter conjunct my NNode and has been a very beneficial friendship. x

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

SoooOo cool ! Rain froggy is your friend. Animals allow you to see them. Love that it rained, maybe he’s moist and happy, wanted to visit ! I spoke with a co-worker today that said praying mantis are her animals and they follow her around in summer~ I have heard they are good luck, and was happy to see 2 or 3 myself this summer, got a groovy pic of one in silhouette against cloudy sky. ~was watching me watching him~ Thanks Sweetpea, for the input. I could definately use a jumpstart in the right corner if he’s the right… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Hmmm,

Well, Sagg on my 7th so ruled by Jupiter of course. Ex hubby’s Jupiter on my Aries stuff – Sun, etc.

Otherwise, I’d never been involved with a Saggo guy before but did have a Saggie patient the other day and he cracked me up ALOT (but married…it’s okay… πŸ˜‰ ).

And you know too, I did notice alot of praying mantis’ this past summer…

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

The rule should be think twice before marrying 7th house cusp guy. I married a Virgo – gawd, he killed with whatever creativity I might have had with incessant nagging.

Mystic once told me, with my Sun close to 4th house cusp, I should consider feng shui. As soon as I began to run my own ship, I printed out a feng shui map and now have five lucky bamboos shooting from a red vase on the relationship corner. πŸ™‚

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

I get some of the Feng Shui intuitively …been a decorator of rooms my whole life. (got in trouble when little for gluing bionic man pic to the closet wall- ran out of tape!) I just realized when reading a book about it, I had put a metal (raising chi) luminary in a dead corner in bathroom.
I am def. reading up more over holiday break. I have been looking around to no avail, and wondering why the extra element metal … anyone got a quickie answer ? thx

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Sis taught me some basics: three colors at most, accents etc. Feng-shui map I printed out is garden variety but arranging colors and items around makes a difference. I don’t know how, but now I can feel energy around. Did the same at office, moved the desk to power position, put items/colors in place, suddenly people started stopping by. Even my boss nodded “nice!” Like a good glib Gem, I blurted “feng shui” Sheesh, no secrets, no allure no mystery with this tongue.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

So interesting you had people notice and feel the vibe. I am going to have to research, there are so many different sects. I sleep under exposed beams, but have merkabas in that room, which I feel helps ! Didn’t know about the colors….

Theresa
Theresa

I’m such an over-sharer too! hehehe

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

okay ladies, been Feng Shui gonzo tonight…I started figuring the rooms and corners and put two things in relationship area. check. Double deer head (calling it Aries) antler candle trough. Fire and passion. check.
Move leather frog to wealth corner with rain stick ( rain $ ?!) I hope.
Then realized with a start, this gal has Sun conjunct Uranus Pluto in 9th house (2nd marriage house). In the far right corner of my property realationship (<~purposefully left the misspelling) corner, sits the neighborhood electrical box. hmmmm…. 😯

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Well with the electrical box, perhaps it will help things “buzz” along or electrify your vibes.. πŸ™‚

Saw the frog on the walkway again last two evenings. Just now after I came back from the store. He’s like a little friend just sittin’ there. And, we’ve had rain!!

x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

With natal Saturn square Merc, Sun, PofF, Nodes, I really didn’t notice a huge difference energy wise but it was intense and my life was heading toward big changes. I got married at 19, had the kids at 22 and 27. At 34 I got divorced as felt I was not going to grow enough if I did not stand on my own two feet. Guess you can say I sorta forced my SR but I knew what was best for me and so I did it. Left my 16 yr marriage and all the comfy things. But that’s an… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

The way you say that makes me feel like you feel differently about the marriage now than then. Is that so? That is some Saturn energy, wohoa! Aries are delightful. πŸ˜‰

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Spoze I could qualify “comfy” as in “status quo comfy” which I just wasn’t sure I would be able to abide for the rest of my life – 2.5 kids (never knew where the .5 kid part came in….doesn’t that mean one has half a human? πŸ™‚ ) 2 cars in the driveway and a home on a quiet cul de sac. Thought I was going to suffocate, that sort of thing. I’ve always felt growth or the energies like an “impetus” that has to move or propells from the inside out. Did I ever have my regrets? A couple… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

My daughter, now 29 is a great example I think of a Saturn Return as she got married at 19 like me too, and my sister and my Mother… (I think this crap is genetic….My Cancer the only one smart enough to wait but yonks ago peeps didn’t know any better. Women did not have the same opportunities…) Anyway, our paths are our paths, right? Gem daughter now on her second marriage. After she became single from the first one, around 24 yrs old, she went through a heavy depression but got herself in school, raised my gdaughter nearly alone… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

p.s., her Saturn Return was just September and a point I want to make is that if we do our homework (see the “writing on the wall” and not ignore it, our Saturn Return does not have to be a shit. Mine would have been had I not listened to my inner/Higher Self. I would have stayed in my marriage out of fear instead of facing my fears and been ~miserable~ at “what could have been. Anyhow, daughter worked her butt off and now reaping a reward. Saturn always rewards if we do our homework… Good luck peeps, you be… Read more »

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

A friend asked me today “how do you know when it’s time for a marriage to end ?” goodness, what a question. I think if you want to flee, it is a good indication something’s needing work. (shrugs) You and your daughter are smart ladies, Sweetpea, and good for you both for following your heart and inner guides. bless x

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Unlike Bam-Bam (which only gawd knows why a Leo would ever compromise…okay, his Gemini Moon makes for far too bi-partisan…. POLITICS…..and NEVER MIND)

But my wish is that you never compromise what you feel the highest standard of your Soul has called you to do.

In the words of our beloved Elvis….(and now must go wrap, as you dear Aussies say, “prezzies”… x )

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

ok. you had me at “Elvis”. πŸ™‚
I watched the video and was thinking….Elvis was from a more innocent time with the pompador hair and girl waiting patiently all moon-eyed on the beach blanket.

I went to look…Elvis had his first (and only) Saturn return (thanks to handy calculator link posted above) in Feb of 1964. Bless him, guess who had their first (of 3 ) appearances on Ed Sullivan Feb 1964…?
The Beatles.
R&R changed forever. x

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

Right after I posted this in the am, I was commuting to work, listening to Sgt. Peppers, passed a car on interstate not from around here. Lic plate: BEATL 3 😎

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

The moment you know the marriage is over feels as if you swallowed an apple whole and it is making disco dancing in your tummy. Serious.

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Geez, that’s so us (Aries), isn’t it? We get everything we want, heave a hugh sigh of relief, and then say, “Hey, this is boring!” and we’re off! LOL

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Well, it wasn’t as simple as all that (my Saturn placements don’t take all too, too lightly) but something like that!! (joking…I think of my then seven year old Cancerian daughter as she flung herself at my lap…”I don’t want you to go!” And of course I was never absent as a Mother, ever, as far as the day to day. We had joint custody and it was amicable… Cappy Moon Mom’s don’t take that responsibility lightly as Cappy Moon’s may of not had a “cold mother” per say, but knows how it feels to not be told “I love… Read more »

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Yes, cappy is serious about duty. I think we always need to be pushing ourselves somehow or we feel we’re slackers. The aries part, I mean. At least it seems so to me. Something won’t let me rest, always pushes me on to the next thing. Of course, I have no earth planets at all, so that may be a factor. But my aries dad was the same way — always on to something new. I hope you had fun tonight. πŸ˜‰

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Still haven’t left yet and it 12:15 a.m. luv.. Gettin’ there? Not sure yet……hehe

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Still listening to Selena (Quintanilla’s ) “Dreaming of You” on you tube…

Asked Gem daughter for that c.d for Xmas…She wanted to know afterall…

What’s a Venus opposition Neptune trine Pisces MC to do ?

x

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

I found this insightful, maybe someone else will too. I don’t have kids, but this solidified ‘returns’ a little better for me, as I have a little red-headed niece this age. She’s a hoot !
First Mars return comes around near aged two years.
Terrible two stage, self-assertion 101.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Mars return…. ha! Good point…

Andromeda
Andromeda

Was just wondering what propelled you in that direction as you seem to have a fond relationship with your Ex. I wasn’t really questioning you if you did exactly the right thing as your inner compass is surely very strong being attuned to your personal cardinal points of spiritual guidance. Actually even if you didn’t know to ask for assistance and read the signs, I reckon you’d still do it right! 6 years of suffocating would be hard let alone 16. Neither do I care about the status quo, but having 2 kids, living in the suburbs etc. is about… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yes, Dromie… I did it backwards….had the marriage and kiddies first then “followed that dream”. Like I said “our paths are our paths” and we ain’t got no crystal ball, eh? Just a hope and a prayer… But sign of the times I guess back then (marriage first) and you can have it all….a family and your dream. Mine has just required I leave my comfort zone for what it was worth. Your children will have their own dreams so don’t deny yours (I’m sure as a fire sign you won’t). I’m 51 (as I’ve mentioned) and it’s taken a… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

And now tonight, I’m indulging in the casino after a long spiel of not going at all …Tucking that hundred dollar bill in my bra afterall as I’ve worked my ass off this week and it’s the holiday.

Tired of being “good”.. πŸ˜‰

Andromeda
Andromeda

You funny! I am not fond of casino energy myself, but enjoy yourself afterall, “moderation in all things, including moderation” right? I am a terrible game player!

Had that realisation about the kid’s and their dreams this morning versus my own. My psychic aqua friend shed some light on smallest son’s future dreams and they are so contrary my own idea of fun I shall be happy to let him do his thing and put energy into my own when he is older. Sports? Ai yaa.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

He has a lot of Cappy doesn’t he? Yes, his ideas may not be in line with a Leo’s idea of fun at all!!

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Agree casino energy needy and can imagine the thoughtforms hanging around the place….just ghastly..

Oh well, I’m made of light and it contributes to the Indians. πŸ™‚

Andromeda
Andromeda

You are indeed a creature of the light! There is a quirky quality to contributing to the Native American cause via a Casino. What once were prison camps becoming…casinos?! It’s fascinating on an energy level too I think. You were probably a native american many times over maybe that is what is drawing you to them!!! (I have one visual in my head, I didn’t do a very successful job that life..). The few times I went to the Casino I poured my money on the table and was gone in an hour. It left a bad taste as it… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Bubba a multi Cappy Boppy, yes, probably be head of the rugby team and I will be mortified at the idea of him partying on ‘roids and doing Godknowswhat sportsman do… Must remember not to force the issue of being a gentleman or he will react!! Moderation…moderation… Hope you had a good evening sweety.

prowlncat
prowlncat

Saturn governs the structures and foundations that underpin and support life – it’s not meant to be THE director of life. Overly Saturnised people age early, are highly stressed, suffer from depression, have no sense of humour and generally shit everyone off with their morbid and dreary ways. Well ok they generally shit me off.

Look to Sun, Uranus, Venus, Jupiter, Mars and MC for inspiration about the What. Then turn to Saturn and ask the How. That’s what SR taught me.

Ms.
Ms.

well said. I’ve always seen as skeleton or scaffolding x

Anonymous
Anonymous

Very good advice on What and How. It was not my Saturn return but mulling over my chart had shown me this.

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

the Anon above is me

pisceanean
pisceanean

Post-return, I no longer give a fook about “making it” in the art or corporate worlds.

Working Scorp Girl
Working Scorp Girl

Oh no, don’t scare me. My Saturn Return is due from January to July 2011… And I thought I had it behind me!

Herby
Herby

My first Saturn Return was the most painful three years of my life! And also the most exhilerating. I’m Sun, Saturn, Venus, Mercury and Asc in Virgo (12th House). Seriously, I felt every drawn out second of my Saturn Return. It started with me getting a major crush on my boss (yes, I am married and yes, I know it was wrong). Nothing ever happened but it tore me apart. But without her, I wouldn’t have changed from capitalist consumer disinterested in all things eco-anything and believing the life I dreamed about could only be lived by others. After she… Read more »

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

I am glad you have made it through these events with your marriage intact. Not because I care anything for the sanctity of marriage, but because I can tell your marriage is important to you. I think we are going to be faced/forced to rethink comitted relationships. We grow through relationships, as your friendships have shown you. We can’t cut ourselves off from others if we want to reach our potential or just have a rich life, and yet we don’t want to lose or threaten our primary relationship. I believe (Uranus in Aries – yes!) we will begin to… Read more »

Herby
Herby

Aw thank you ArienScorp. πŸ™‚ I agree we are polyamorous. I know I am. As you seem to understand about me, my primary relationship is the one I will protect. But oh yeah, I can love more than one person at a time and give each my whole heart. I think love is just the most beautiful expression we can share with each other and ourselves.

I do know the new year will be fantastic πŸ™‚ I wish you the best in the new year too πŸ˜€

Herby
Herby

PS: have to admit I’m missing the friendship of that Cappy … not the crush, just the friendship … someone to share astrology and art with … But them’s the breaks … part of being a grown up πŸ˜‰

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

good on u herb… πŸ™‚

ScorpioRising
ScorpioRising

Herby you fell in love with your potential self.
πŸ™‚

Herby
Herby

Oh ScorpioRising, what a beautiful way to look at it. And one that makes so much sense. Thank you πŸ™‚

Anonymous
Anonymous

wow herby and everyone else above that is full on im new to astrology but i can relate to all the above posts, all i know is that saturn was involved in pisces love life from aug 07, im not sure if that is a first saturn return or not but that was hell, until well now, it lasted till about june 09 [i thank god that i got pregnat i think that healed so much and pulled my head in] although im not with the man anymore or wasnt much longer when i got pregnant, but then all was… Read more »

Baristagem
Baristagem

Ooo 😯 Saturn Return was pure hell, it was like the universe picked me up & shook me up & down to loosen up all the crap that was in my life & then turned me upside down & everything that wasn’t suppose to be there fell out… I worked my ass off the whole time thinking I knew what I thought was good for me but then I realized that I was trying to hang onto all the things I shouldn’t be. So I left my job, the one that I poured everything into… Gone! Smoking, quit~cold turkey… Gone!… Read more »

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

ok.
You are officially my *shero* !
are you, like bionic too πŸ™‚
You are seriously, Inspiring !

sweet sanity
sweet sanity

Leogroover, I’m sure there are 100’s of people in your world who love you to pieces, and that’s not even including us MM bloggers. Don’t forget to love yourself first :0) x x x
(Don’t tell anyone, but you are actually one of my favs on here)

leogroover
leogroover

Thank you big hugs back. I always feel like I’m whinging on this blog. But yes I will go and make a big list. i have mended a few bridges just this week with a friend and my brother so thats good. I will wander off to the party cube and the holodeck when I get down Roxy. See you there!

leogroover
leogroover

Can you have a second pre SR on your second SR? or can you only have a pre SR on your first? Know what I mean?
I’m certainly feeling like nobody loves me. I’m off to get some Australian Bush Flowere essences to help but I’ve benn mournful for ages even with some partying. Nothing is cheering me up. Not good form for a Leo gal on heat in the party season.

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

hugs leogroover ~ you know I was just thinking my cats need some wintertime activities. My girl cat just jumped in the empty trashcan with a loud clunk ! Like you, they can’t find what suits.
I will distract her with pretty lights * I hope you feel better LG
For you and the party cube ! *hearts*

Baristagem
Baristagem

Oh leogroover I hope you feel better soon! x

Lemme try something…

*champers pops* 😯

Anything?

😯

sweet sanity
sweet sanity

πŸ™‚

leogroover
leogroover

oooh baby do it baby. I got s bottle of moet today for xmas gift soo I gonna plan well my playmate for that day.

tati scorpitini
tati scorpitini

Whoah. First SR I walked away from a career I hated and ran away to another country with an unsuitable man – and without making any plans for a new career. Then during the 1st quarter/waxing part of the cycle I thought I had a new career sorted out – and the relationship with the unsuitable man sorta exploded. I’m still dealing with the fallout – I seem to seesaw between coping with relationship, hopeless in career and vice versa. I’m not sure that I’ve actually learned any lessons from Saturn. Seems like it will be another 4 years until… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Pre Saturn Return: Could withstand anything, travelled all night, partied all day, built a business with Saggi Latin Boy on the beach doing full moon parties. It was all rainbows and let’s dance all night! Saturn Return: Got humiliated by Saggi sleeping with todo el mundo, suddenly being up three nights in a row working and dancing whilst tequila/cuba libre influenced caused grandmal epileptic fits! Left the man, the friends, the business, the country. Saturn was a b*tch. Saturn Pisses Off: Took a few years for Stella to get her groove back. Life was never as so pollyana happy-go-lucky, but… Read more »

goldfleece-risingfish
goldfleece-risingfish

Dear Andromeda, can you give Saturn the finger if he punches you in the face ?
(LOL !…) It’s been great reading your words Andy, you are a natural sparkler, i look forward to reading your point of view in the new year. Wishing you and your famblee a most excellent and propersous new year. x

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

Yes, grace ! Wonderful Andromeda, just read your post
after posting above~
Saturn is the painful shedding of rose-colored glasses…

Saturn is also the ancient wisdom seen in the eyes of a wrinkled tribal woman blessed with age and experience.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Dear goldy, give him the finger by all means, super appropriate as in Palmistry the middle finger is known also as the Saturn Finger!

Satrox, my rose coloured glasses are put on with awareness that I like it that way. I agree ‘Earth School’ is meant to be hard, I just think it is too hard for some!

Andromeda
Andromeda

I had totally forgotton about the Saturn finger thing btw, till you wrote that… but Goldy, doesn’t Saturn punch everyone in the face?

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

Hi Andromeda, should have been more specific in my post. The ‘painful shedding’ of rosey glasses was re: seeing the truthful side of my marriage in particular. My hopes vs. the reality of what could be salvaged. I still hope for better than what I am currently getting with him (common courtesy, consideration), but accept that it may or may not happen. I have had new friends say I ‘scare’ them (quiet, dark colors, serious, that’s the Sat Asc), then heard the same friends say, but then I got to know you and you’re a real pussycat. (Leo planets like… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

Totally get that allusion, the rose glasses were particularly on in that relationship, I can be so stubborn.. Like you wear yours at Dead shows now, Saturn would approve!

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

btw, love that you caught the Saturn finger correlation to palmistry !

Sassy
Sassy

Hmmm, there is not much left for Saturn to really throw at me. Saturn is currently squaring my Sun and I am feeling the heat. I was married at 20, had lil Aries at 21, seperated and completely broke at 24, went back to Uni, divorced at 25. Now 26 and feel like i have grown up, but alas still have not had my SR. WHat else? MY SR will last a year as it will be retro for months..I believe Mystic said that it will be less intense but just drawn out for the whole year…So Saturn will be… Read more »

Andromeda
Andromeda

You vibe so much more mature than your age Sassy. And no wonder with the rich life experience in heart-matters you already have under your belt.

Maybe Saturn will take you for a walk in the park and impart some favourite aphorisms. (Probably cheerful like, “Don’t take life so seriously Sassy, no one gets out alive!”). Or perhaps you will find true love with an older man/Capricorn!!

Herby
Herby

Oh Sassy … I hope it’s not worse than what you’ve been through. ((Sassy))

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

Saturn’s wise, so knows it can’t ride your ass too hard – you’re much too strong and feisty and would make Saturn’s job harder than it’s worth! But if it wears you down too much, remember the support you’ve got in this corner!

Sassy
Sassy

And Inchy things are going really well with Toro man, who has moon in Cappy..I like him a lot. And I really really like Toro men, it is true what they say about them…always very precise and finish a job.. πŸ˜‰
Any hot goss on your side? Hows Venus in Scorp treating you?

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

Hey, Sassy! I haven’t been logging in much to the website much, but something made me look right now, so I must have gotten your psychic vibe . . .I am sooo happy to hear El Toro is keeping a smile on your face. I’ve read that a Cap Moon person always has a sad story about a mother or other close female relative. As a Cancer, you’re probably good about helping him deal with that . . .just musing out loud, I could be completely out in left field. And you’ve got Mars/Sautrn conjunct. I think a Cap Moon… Read more »

Sassy
Sassy

Ohhh Venus on AC!! Time for makeover?? I know its cliche but someone pops up when you are not looking. Fingers crossed and sending you lots of love and light Inchy!! Since it wil be opposing your DC, maybe that might bring in a Libra or Toro for you?? Someone beautiful with lovely manners lol Yeah not too sure about the mother thing, she seems really nice and he hasnt talked to me about any problems he had with her or anything. Yes, mars/saturn I dig, always digging and I have merc/venus square pluto so I am just always digging… Read more »

Sassy
Sassy

Thanks peeps!!! Ahhh hope so. Yes, like your take on it Andro, “Dont take life so seriously”. Saturn is prominent in my chart and conjunct my Mars, so I think in a way I can do Saturn quite well, or at least learn from my mistakes. Happy New Year to all the people out there!!!

J*
J*

I’ve got a strongly aspected (?) Saturn – opposing my sun, mercury,venus, jupiter, square moon, trine pluto & Asc.

My SR was almost unnoticeable in comparison to what went on a few years before – changed everything about my life and not with immediately positive results. In fact with about 18 months of hell before things started falling into place. I suppose you could say my quiet, easy, non-event SR was a consequence of all that trauma.

According to that UK Saturn link my period of self inflicted trauma was during the 3rd quarter/waning of my SR.

Charley
Charley

Yes, this is exactly what happened to me. That was Saturn in Cancer square my stellium of planets/stuff in Libra and it was so, so, so hard. I’d take a multitude of SR’s over that thanks.

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

I was married pre-Saturn return, but fell madly in love with another, who fell in love with me, too. It was shattering on all levels. I went through a complete metamorphosis, and stopped being ‘good’. I also found my ‘calling’ vocationally around this time, though with much pain & struggle (it also involves being ‘bad’ in some people’s eyes).

goldfleece-risingfish
goldfleece-risingfish

I didn’t know that i was going through my SR, though honestly, there were many signs and easy to see in hindsight, too much drinking, drugs and debauchery. It was like Saturn tapped me on the shoulder a couple of times to try and get my attention, and I ignored him. The third time he punched me in the face ! I think paying attention to the signs, and if you’re reading here, tis a most brilliant start, lots of support from wonderfully wise peoples. If i can be so bold as to quote Cher for a moment , ”if… Read more »

goldfleece-risingfish
goldfleece-risingfish

I just remembered, coming back to Sydney from London, i worked for a beautiful Piscean man who pointed out that I was going through my SR, he was also the one, who 10 years ago introduced me to Mystic (in the Australian Mag) astro charts, and a wonderful shop in Balmain his good Saggo friend had, so there were tarot courses, bell ringing classes, hypotherapy and a whole new world …so I thank Saturn for at least sending me somone who could explain the quagmire i was tredging through.

goldfleece-risingfish
goldfleece-risingfish

hmmm no there was no hypotherapy, rather hypno … scuse me.x

Hippychic
Hippychic

Yep Introduced to the scopes in the Australian during my SR too. It became a Sunday tradition in the afternoon after someone was sober enough to go get the paper.
Always entertained everyone and invoked all sorts of discussions and bringing out of the dictionary to solve arguments over big word meanings πŸ™‚

monte
monte

Hypotherapy sounds good to me :~)

Herby
Herby

Funny … I was introduced to Mystic’s blog at the end of my SR too …

sweet sanity
sweet sanity

Me three! Spookey! I just sort of sniffed it out myself. Mmmm smells like ylang ylang.

bullmoose82
bullmoose82

I found Mystic in the (current) middle of my SR not very long ago. Definitely still trying to find a way through all of this crap. I really hope it gets better.

Charley
Charley

Just passed my first, which only lasted 2 weeks because I have Saturn very early in Libra. Whizzed on by and was kind of a doozy to be honest, Venus conjunct Saturn and all this Pluto stuff is way harder oooof.

So far I love everything Saturn has done for me, not been especially more eager to please but then I never have.

Charley
Charley

^^ *is a jerk*

MMIL
MMIL

About a third of the way into my first Saturn Return, and I am LOVING IT! I have Sun and Saturn in Libra in the 9th house. Don’t know why, but 2005-2007 was aweful, and a lot of the behaviour/choices people are talking about for SR I did then, especially hard work. Now its starting to pay off – big. What is already looking to be the golden age of my career just got a massive boost today. Also have been with a perfect Virgo for 12 months now who just fits – relationship of a lifetime?!?? So I have… Read more »

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

First Saturn return : parents house caught fire, Dad diagnosed with cancer, brother killed in car crash, his daughter in critical care with severe brain injuries. Legal battles over custody. Watched people I didn’t know haul off all my brothers (now nieces) possessions in pick-up trucks on the sly by other brothers request. My marriage was falling apart and that was only the beginning of the breakdown. ~ up went down went up ~ Since then Dad lived much longer than docs predicted, niece got married and is expecting a baby, I am divorced and happier. Big wheel keeps on… Read more »

Capfire
Capfire

Good Lord! Hugs!

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

Thanks Capfire, was rough, but stronger now, no question of that.

Herby
Herby

Holey moley … that sounds cerazy!

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

It was a hard time…I was too busy slogging through it to process it properly at the time, and realized too late that I needed to find help to help me deal. I paid the consequences for not taking the time I needed to find inner balance. That said, if you need help, seek it. I wanted to return to my Saturn Return comment to say, I’m not a harbinger of doom. Everyone has difficulties from time to time, and not everyone will have the same plate dished up to them that I did me. (thankfully) I think ‘Earth school’… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Good grief girl. Well, you have been initiated. x

Saturnrox
Saturnrox

ha. good thing I got a hard head. πŸ™‚ Saturn Rx in Aries, powered my way through ~>

Ms.
Ms.

thats really big, trial by fire for sure. love that your name still stands x

Quadrupled
Quadrupled

Merc retro strikes again: Apologies if this is a repeat. Had something similar, but difficult to write all off to SR.. As soon as it passed natal Saturn, tr Saturn conjucted Sun, by then Pluto-Saturn opposition was exact, and Pluto was squaring my natal Pluto, which actually squares my Sun, ergo tr Saturn was squaring natal Pluto. It sounds like a crazy soap opera plot, with my identity being the only clueless guest in the house. At the end, survived to tell: Marriage began to fall apart, was told I would never be able to give birth, was in an… Read more »

Bluesky
Bluesky

Saturn? Well you’re a hard planet to like, Saturn. Even though I have strong Saturn placements in my chart and should find you attractive, alluring even, you tend to enter my life like a slow tsunami and leave wreckage for me to deal with. Okay, maybe it’s good for to deal with this wreckage, but I don’t care. I’m still reeling from you in my Sun sign. I’m still picking up and finding a way to put my beachfront together again. Get back to me later, Saturn. Maybe with hindsight I’ll like you better. The only good news I can… Read more »

Taurean Alchemist
Taurean Alchemist

seriously? I believe I missed the point of my first Saturn Return (I won’t be alone in this)…

but am I a different person now? Absolutely. But it was the Pluto square that did the trick.

xx

GeorgeSand
GeorgeSand

My first Saturn Return was absolutely one of the lowest points in my life. I was with a man for all the wrong reasons, hoping that our relationship would erase my longings for my first love. I was unhappy and unmotivated in my position at work. And then at around 31 it suddenly ended (the relationship and job — got fired) and I eventually found my way to another state and profession. I fell in love. BUT I have to say that things really started falling into place upon my second Saturn Opposition, of which I am now reaping the… Read more »

zlatni
zlatni

Hi Mystic and everyone, I am 28 and have been aware of the approaching SR for quite a while. Everyone says its the beginning of adulthood, leaving childish things behind etc etc. I seem to be living quite wildly now, my astrology obsessed mother keeps telling me its okay as now is the time to get it out of my system! I put my details into an online Saturn Return Calculator and it said mine would last just one month – October 2011! Does anyone know anything about a super quick Saturn Return?? Can I expect a wild month then?… Read more »

GemLeoRising
GemLeoRising

Mine was a month also. December 1988. Have been racking my brain for what happened then. All I can get is that is was between the birth of my two kids, and I think it’s when my H addict bro in law lived in our shed for a bit. If there was a turning point I missed it … wish I’d known to pay more attention … life in those days was more about surviving the crap. My second is Jan to Oct ’18. I’ll be more attuned then.

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

Short SR… The universe gives you a kick in the shins and tells you to smarten the fuq up.

It might take a long time to fully process, but I found it to be like a very sharp turning of a corner…

jasmine
jasmine

i am pre-saturn return as well, but it’s definitely on the horizon! i’m 26. i am thankful that i am not married nor have kids, thankful that i have been able to get a good education (at the expense of my credit), thankful that i am currently in school to get a “job” so that i can support myself (luckily the “job” is nursing, which would make use of my high-Chiron quotient and which pays handsomely–ideal to my Cap AC and moon), thankful that in my life i have had the open-mindedness to consider that the way my family &… Read more »

nebulous virgo
nebulous virgo

thank you – great timing…

Saturn in Leo crossed my Moon, Saturn in Virgo first crossed Venus, then Sun – this was while Pluto squared Sun…
ATM Saturn is two degrees before my DC/Mercury (thus opposite AC)… and it is only 7 degrees from my Saturn/Pluto conjunction.

pre saturn is post saturn? ok that is abit over the top, but seriously, sometimes I whish I was a multiple conjunct Saggo.

bloody hell, will this ever stop? yeah, i know, it will.
But I yearn for less tears/heavy burdens and a bit more light and lightness…

Glow
Glow

I am pre-saturn return, I am loving reading all these accounts. It’s really helping me get a better hold on what to expect..

bullmoose82
bullmoose82

Enjoy your time before the return. Soak it in.

Tonne 'o' Scorp
Tonne 'o' Scorp

so i’ve got a question– is there no way to tell in your birth chart or what not if you are going through a saturn return? are you just supposed to guess/figure it out on your own based on things like the clues year of the fox wrote in the post 3 from the bottom? i don’t really know how this works, but it’s very interesting!

year of the fox
year of the fox

It should be in your chart but at the time I was going through SR I was not that astrology saavy. It was only through retrospection that it became clear. But you young’uns with internet help and not being around stodgy backwards people are more advanced than I was at the time.

Charles
Charles

A Saturn Return is when Saturn returns to the same position in orbit as it was when you were born. It is one full orbit of Saturn since you were born. It is easily calculated.

http://www.astrocal.co.uk/saturn-return.htm

Saturn Return = Sadder, but wiser.

sweet sanity
sweet sanity

Nice site! It’s like seeing your life in Saturn time. Imagine how wise you’d be after the 3rd return.

poppykettle
poppykettle

Thanks Charles, a great little calculator!
Just found out my first Saturn Return will only last a month… woot! just under 2 years to go!

Glow
Glow

ohh i love that. apparently i’ve got one of the great saturn returns that’s not retrgoraded over.. starts and finishes the same month, according o this site… hoooorah..

Tonne 'o' Scorp
Tonne 'o' Scorp

yeaa, awesome website! thanks very much for the help!

Charles
Charles

I regret to inform you guys, that is not how Saturn return works. You’re talking about a Saturn transit, in this case, Saturn conjunct natal Saturn, which can last about a month (depending on orb). And that would be a lot of the heaviest activity. But a Saturn Return is an event, its effects last long after the event. What you’re saying is like your 30th birthday only lasts one day, so you’re only 30 for one day. No, you’re 30 years old after your birthday too. And it is sort of like this. Saturn Return is your birthday in… Read more »

bullmoose82
bullmoose82

@ year of the fox

I couldn’t agree more with your #5 “no particular rush to get into a wreck”. I’m still in the SR and I already feel that way. It’s kind of sad, really. It makes me feel cynical.

year of the fox
year of the fox

I think it’s ok to sometimes be a little cynical just for LOLZ but then you have to take a good long look at yourself and try to identify in what ways you were partially responsible for said messes. Sometimes, we have no control (like when a jackass cheats on you) but other times we could’ve headed off disaster at the pass but we didn’t love ourselves or trust ourselves enough to do it.

But yeah bullmoose82, you will find love again if you want it enough! πŸ™‚ Saturn return is hard, but keep persisting.

year of the fox
year of the fox

How did I even know I had a Saturn return? #1 clue–> You can’t eat an entire bag of Doritos and be ok anymore. That weight will just pile on and even going running a few miles won’t help you much. Plus you will feel like crap and get acne outbreaks just looking at naff food. #2 clue–> You feel tired all the time. The idea of staying out all night and going to the clubs every weekend seems less appealing to you. #3 clue–> Getting “just a job” doesn’t appeal to you anymore. You want something deeper and intellectually/emotionally… Read more »

sweet sanity
sweet sanity

#1, #3 & #4!!! This was my SR in a nut shell.

bullmoose82
bullmoose82

I can’t say that I’m grateful for being in the middle of my first SR. It probably contributed to the demise of an engagement, which I’m not necessarily unhappy about, and then another significant relationship met its demise despite being a much, much better match. What a shame. I still think about it everyday. The SR has made me question everything, particularly my career, one that I’ve spent the last two and a half years building. The destruction is has wreaked on my relationships is the worst part though, by far.

Anonymous
Anonymous

thats a shame, i said in an earlier post that im not sure if i have had a saturn return all i know is that saturn was involved in pisces love life since aug 07, and although the memories now have lost there sting i thought about those times every single day for years even now i still think about it and how it shaped my life at least once or twice a week, but the one thing i can say to you , is that it all worked out for a reason, i ended up getting back with my… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

around 27-29 is saturn returns x

plutobunny
plutobunny

I had my son during my saturn return, my life post SR now seems very empty, I’m happier now.

SaturnInterupted
SaturnInterupted

SR’s can be a bitch. I miss the days of running in high heels, club hopping, staying up all night going to V.I.P. parties and slogging with cute famous boys. Can we reverse and go back to the first SR? An anti-aging astrological cream? πŸ˜‰ I should check my charts I might be going through another one. Nothing makes any sense anymore. Something strange is happening with my friend she was once a fun loving friend and now she gets jealous of I want to talk to my friends or a mutual friend. It’s gotta so bad and controlling it’s… Read more »

SaturnInterupted
SaturnInterupted

thank god- no second SR for a long, long time! whew!
So, what the @$#K!

Anonymous
Anonymous

is she a cap lol iv had 3 friends excactly the same and they were caps

hermes love
hermes love

Love you Mystic!!!!

hermes love
hermes love

Saturn returns were harder in a Sense that the Mirror came up.
I agree the one thing was what others thought of me. I am so over that .
I really felt older when I was younger turning 53 this Dec. I Feel younger but Saturn has left his mark -Self Reliance is the mantra. Nice to know that what i have worked for has not been in vain. That Bliss is possible Now . Did not believe it before . Love is all there is!!! (Double cap)

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