Fuq Reason

I Prefer Girls by Jessie Dumont

What did the Ancient Greeks say about love again?

Didn’t they say that there was:

* Eros (HOT: loins turning to liquid amber sort of bodice-rippery thing, but you wouldn’t want to necessarily live with with the character or even wake up with them)

* Thanatos – psycho-bats love, like driven from deep subliminal reserves of obsessive fuqery.  Inexplicable after the fact. Like deadly nightshade.

* Agape – friendly and non-threatening functional affectionate love???

This is all i can recall from where-ever i studied it.

But it’s a brilliant thing to ponder with the retro-Venus situation of the moment.

Am i right? And now what?

And I gathered that:

* You’re meant to marry Agape and even if your partner becomes more like a sibling/child/benevolent parent figure, so what? At least you’re godly and you can take them anywhere.

* You avoid the Thanatos type peeps — take up martial arts or extreme makeovers as a substitute, stop hanging out in downtown Hades, give up drinking Blue Devil with hot strangers really fit just because they’re straight out of jail etc.

* You’re thrilled whenever Eros comes to visit but you don’t try to drag him off to Ikea of a Saturday morning.

Please can some erudite peeps clarify this?

And, obviously, with Venus, Mars and asteroid Eros all in Scorpio at the moment, nobody is that keen on Agape.  We may be bats but we’re alive, hello?

 

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Sea-bird
Sea-bird

See Admit it peoples Of the three relationships that i think back most fondly – one was 6 weeks long and incredibly shallow to all appearances but healed me enormously. One was long and tortured but it brought me my kid and an enormous amount of insight. One lasted for 4 months as a sexual relationship but 2 years and ongoing as a deep affection and again, brought deep healing for me and for him. If I was to judge by length – shit off!! I’ve had a mutual and shaky infatuation with the same Capricornian for going on 10… Read more »

Fi
Fi

“if I could just cut his dick off and vanish him…a lot less tortured. Except I love him”.

Classic, seabird; lol.

weathergirl
weathergirl

“…she never would have judged the validity of a relationship by its length or its social appearance.”

Can we get this on a billboard? A million of them?

Sea-bird
Sea-bird

I suppose though that it would be a bit too much to just challenge the whole mono-thingie? I always thought I could do with about 3 husbands, but as I get older I realise that that’s sex talking. Isn’t it great!!! As I am now old enough to say – well, all i really want is great sex and huge passion and I have lots of friends who are just the bees knees and I’ve taken care of myself for years so I don’t need much of that although it would be nice but I’m not sacrificing hot sex and… Read more »

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Ooooh – I like that comment! I’ve had really short, intese relationships which have been amazing, and left me with incredible gifts and insights, and I’ve had long dragged out flritations that have left me seething for years…. And vice versa. Its the quality of the dynaic between the people involved….

Love it Sea-Bird!!!!

Lioness
Lioness

I am so with you sea-bird. Why would you even want a relationship if the sex wasn’t great? Not for me. Life is short. I was married and it’s BORING and killed the passion, never again.

Andromeda
Andromeda

Well extremes are fun and easier to talk about that’s for sure. I subscribe to the dumb blonde view on life, it’s a little bit ‘follow the Tao’, a little bit ‘keep it light’. Maybe it’s my Gem Asc. talking but I like to avoid categorising relationships or people too rigidly if poss. A little bit Eros, a lot of Agape and an occasional hint of Thanatos for the range is a good mix. Anyway, aren’t we all things? Aren’t others a mirror for our own neurosis? My Moon is in Scorpio and I am swimming happily along in this… Read more »

Mari
Mari

In psych, I was taught that there are six types of lovers. Here is a description of each from Laurie Pawlik-Keinlen: 1. Eros Love. Eros lovers tend to emphasize romance, physical beauty, desire, and physical attraction.Relationships based on eros love tend to fizzle quickly, because these types of lovers can’t maintain this high level of passion. An eros lover’s approach to a healthy romantic relationship involves an intense focus on the emotional aspects of love, including finding different ways to express love. 2. Pragma Love. Pragma lovers are rational and practical – and so is their approach to romance and… Read more »

nacho
nacho

love it. currently grokking the love wisdom/reflection/insight with venus retro at the moment. thanx for feeding into my discovery process

plutonic gem
plutonic gem

ditto

Lioness
Lioness

I heard a quote a long, long time ago about how a woman needs five men in her life. One to take her to dinner and dancing, one to have conversations with, one for sex and I can’t remember the other two but I remember thinking it was spot on. If I had to pick just one, give me Eros.

Fi
Fi

Hmmm….intellectually, i love the saying that a woman needs a man (let alone 5!!) like a fish needs a bicycle.

But that’s just independent Saggo Sun and Mercury in the 1st aiding and abetting attempts of Venus, Neptune, Eros, Psyche, and Theodora in Scorpio, all in the 12th, to repress themselves into inexistence…..

Next time, I intend to reincarnate as a Venus conjunct fuqing everything (except Pluto and Saturn), all in Leo, and all in the 1st house!

Lioness
Lioness

Well really we don’t need them, which BTW is why I think most relationships fail but that is another thread.

I definitely WANT them though and three is perfect for me, which is why I probably can’t remember what the other two men are for LOL

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Well, I have to say a woman needs a man, because they come with parts we don’t have.

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Oh yeah..you covered intellectually. But actually, intellectually, they do come from a different place, and I like the oddity of it, even if I don’t get it all the ime.

Fi
Fi

Maybe you don’t get it all the time because studies show that most of em think/react with one half of their brain at a time (ie they compartmentalise; only one half of their brain lights up in reaction to most stimuli when measured by sensors), while we think/react with both halves of brain at most times…..so yep, they’re odd, all right. So why was it that we needed em? Oh, yeah, the parts thang. Yet even THAT side of the whole equation is increasingly and brilliantly covered by ever more realistic and versatile substitutes that last and last, don’t snore,… Read more »

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Oh, oh..now I might get started. Ok, see, men NEVER get the ‘forget women, do your thing alone’ advice. Check the shelves at the bookstore. Those kinds of books are there for women. Books about women by women about how unnecessary it is to have a man, and I think it’s a great big bunch of…. WEAKNESS!! Men don’t have to prove their strength by denying their need of women. Jeez, will women always be trying to compensate for a perceived lack that I think is only in their minds? We do not need to overcome, we are not downtrodden,… Read more »

Fi
Fi

No need to duck, honey – hugs from me….

but Victimhood? Scarcity?? Huhhh?

You’ve misread a post that written with tongue firmly in cheek, that’s all.

Guess it must have touched a raw nerve – but there’s the approaching and very arc-ed up full moon in Aries for you….

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Wasn’t there a whole Freud thing (I’m not much a fan of his) about the flip sides to human nature. The drive to live, survive and procreate (which he related to Eros) and the drive to destroy, annihilate and punish ourselves (which he related to Thanatos)…?
Love that births vs love that kills, eek… Can’t help but think the compromise must be “the love that holds your hair while you vomit…”

weathergirl
weathergirl

Absolutely. And remembers the cool washcloth.

leogroover
leogroover

that is soo romantic Lex.

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

i’m all about the unconditional love.

virgo cat
virgo cat

Fantastic!

aqualala
aqualala

Agree with everything above — have to have the spark, the chemistry. Not that I’ve met any of that lately.

bluelibra
bluelibra

Hmm yes to all of the above in various combinations please. And no, I don’t want fries with that. 🙂

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries

Hahahaha!!!

ale
ale

Start with Eros Deep Soul Attraction, Raw Sexual Energy, Connected at the Core.
If one does not have it at the start of the courtship chances are slim it will ever
Be there. That deep attraction is the glue that will hold the Union.
Granted that there is mutual interest along with compatible Values be able to hold a conversation etc.
I have been in a couple of relationships with women that I found had everything but the Soul Connection it doesn’t Workout All or Nothing.” Like a Forest Fire” is right, applepieskies.

applepieskies
applepieskies

This 8th house Venus/Eros demands ALL at once, preferably with the blinds shut. Actually retro Venus has made me realize that romantic business with anyone without an 8th house Venus placement is simply a waste of time, as I always feel unsatisfied. That they can’t handle reaching the very bottom of each other, raw and ugly. Some people are simply too afraid, as much as they are drawn to it. A boy wrote something about me once and one of the lines was “lost in the current again without her satanism to ground me.” So, there’s that. It’s all-consuming though,… Read more »

Steph
Steph

I have Eros right on my Venus, in Aries, 16 deg, in the 1st house . I’d rather have a string of Eroses(?) than spend my life with an Agape, but that’s just my view on love in general, magnified because of the Scorpy stuff…

ArienScorp
ArienScorp

Storge — affection Phileo — friendship Eros — sexual, romantic love Agape — unconditional love, not dependent on the object of affection’s actions “Eros will have naked bodies; friendship naked personalities.” A C.S. Lewis quote I like. If I had to be married to someone who I saw as a child or someone I had only familial feelings for, I’d run off shrieking. It’s actually the probelm I have with my Saggo friend: he’s the kind your mother would approve of. Steady, reliable, affectionate, supportive, generous, but veers off into boring and not enough eros at times. He really would… Read more »

virgo cat
virgo cat

Oh that’s a great quote!
How to combine the two, THAT is the question!!!
Maybe the few on the side is the answer. hmmm…
Certainly preferable than MARRIED to your eros and having to find stability with others, non?

weathergirl
weathergirl

YAY!!! Way to call it ArienScorp. Lewis’ *The Four Loves* is good reading. The man knows his mythology. And his Shakespeare. I remember a passage where he said not to take Venus too seriously –with “reverential gravity”. The remark is put to Christians who go to bed with too much sacred sex on the brain. “The mass of people are perfectly right in their conviction that Venus is part comic spirit. We are under no obligation to sing all our love duets in the throbbing, world-without-end, heartbreaking mold of Tristan and Isolde; let us often sing of Papageno and Papagena… Read more »

riverwalker
riverwalker

An Aries as well, my ex husband and I became child and mother and that’s a very unhealthy, draining, one-sided energy flow between two people. No, no, no i do not want to be always coaching my life partner on how to BE in this world. Of course it is the duty of partners to challenge, nourish and encourage – but to a point – and it must be both ways. I read an article in Psychology Today, that having a partner too similar to you may not be a good thing, as there’s no mystery and it takes away… Read more »

whatevs
whatevs

Can anyone tell me what the thing at her feet is in the pic that is on the wiki? Is it a spider? Or a hermit crab or something like? I used to love the PRB so much that I studied them and now I loathe them. Ignorance really IS bliss when it comes to men.

whatevs
whatevs

its all so strange. what’s wrong with a bit ‘o nightshade? Isn’t it like homeopathy or something? prostitutes used to rub basil oil on them or wear it to attract customers. I rub a “drawing” rune on things like thresholds of the house when I need fast $ So hey, this scorp vibe feels like rapunzel in the tower no? Ot maybe that’s my uranus square uranus transit working its magic on me…

whatevs
whatevs

funny it’s a uranian opposition – I’ve been reading it as the square all along – no wonder I was thinking it wasn’t as bad as it could be…

leonine librarian
leonine librarian

Aquarian friend who usually keeps anything of a sexual nature to herself, has recently become very earthy in her humour…or maybe she is just saying it’s humour, but it’s a whole other level of disclosure. Hilarious. She looked at me yesterday after almost crying laughing at her latest sharing, and went ‘Wha? I don’t understand? Is something freaky happening with the planets at the moment?’ All I could remember was Venus being in Scorptopia. Forgot about the retro bit. Next time I see her I’ll mention the extra little assist Mars is bringing to the party. Maybe I can short… Read more »

virgo cat
virgo cat

This is like one of my all-time favourite posts EVER. So perfect. sooooooo perfect!!

InchbyInch
InchbyInch

That was me on the lack of love language rant.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes, I would like enlightenment on this also. In the same vein, the English language is so limiting when it comes to describing the concept of love. The love you have for your spouse/significant other is very different from the love you have for your dog, but yet the same word is used to describe both forms of affection. English needs more “love” words.