Chironic Perspective on March 2005 to April 2010 -An Online Shrink Session

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Chiron sometimes mystifies me.

If I look back on times when Chiron was on a chart angle (descendent, midheaven etc) there was always something amazing and significant that manifested more or less on the day that Chiron was exactly there.

Other times Chiron has been on – say – my Moon and well, nothing doing.

Some say Chiron operates as the classic “wounded healer” of mythology – like a Saturn who has done a LOT of time down at the yoga ranch. Saturn as Reiki-Master…Others that Chiron is more like a maverick, Uranian influence. I have Chiron conjunct Venus and someone said to me ages ago that it means I “experience my wounds through my sexuality” – that sounds a bit drastic, no.

Whenever Chiron stations Direct, i – and the peeps i know – totally grok it and it does seem to be a dredger-upper of ye olde wounds. But people I know with Chiron Rising or prominent are Uranian-bats-individuated-shining-lights for the rest of us…

Now, Chiron is about to go into Pisces, thus ending an era that began in late Feb 2005.  Think back to then and see from Feb/March 2005 as a distinct era and it’s now definitely about to end. Perspective???  I betcha there will be something coming up re that. Chiron insights definitely come like Uranus insights: flashing up, in your face, oh-my-god, fuq…wow as a connection is made that would usually require shitloads of therapy or something.

Is there a shrink in the room???   March 2005 to now – what was that era for you??? What “wounds” did you sustain? What was your psychological momentum during that time…We will just have to imagine ourselves in a therapist mumu and doing empathetic therapist-nodding.

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calypso
calypso

wow, I’ve only just read it now….fantastic – my marriage breakdown (terrible and scarring) was a Chiron in Aquarius phenomenon.

Ms.
Ms.

I’ve only just read this, amazing thread xox

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

ohh HANG on. chiron conjunct Venus in my 10th, aries. Sextile mars in my 8th. does that mean sexual healing is a good career choice..? mwaha. *childish, UP* around that time, chiron was in or approaching my 8th house. I moved towns, changed jobs, friends, life (saturn rtn as well). and my long-term r’ship with the Anger Issues Pisces started to crumble in a most banal way. My career changed track and it has now *just* ground to a halt on that same track, to my (muted) relief, I think. so, 8th house aqua lessons…? recognising and asserting personal power… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

ohh, looky here. 99 comments. now is 100 🙂 i will have a valid comment next i promise. actually no i won’t, i am feeling lazy today…

andrew
andrew

homophobia, emotionally battered wives and willingness to become less than you already are. the antievolution. these are the things chiron is bringing to our picnic. so i thought i was ready, so i thought i had the heart light turned on… and as it turns out, it was rage. pure unfiltered rage. and now one person in my way is in the hospital, and my father is being removed from this house. SOMEONE has to end these things. i knew it would be me… what was egotistical was for me to think i could do any more lovingly than anyone… Read more »

Hitarth
Hitarth

A Leo…

Began a relation with a Leo Girl in Mid March 2005. She proposed me around Feb. 2005 after being friends for a while and i accepted it after a month or so.

As all relationships, we too had ups and downs. Finally, she declared to part ways late last year. Now slowly we have even stopped talking.

any chiron connection being Leos ??

balancingformountaingoats
balancingformountaingoats

This thread feels very supportive and my heart is warmed by people’s stories. What a crazy 5 years. I broke up with a very control freaky Cancerian in feb/march 2005 and grew a lot in myself and my art practice. Met the saggo boyf in september 2005. 2006finished masters degree, 2007 went to japan, 2008 returned home lived with saggo in horror house, moved out feb 2009, broke up with saggo November 2009. New aries (dolphin swimming boy) up til now. The new relationship has been difficult, but very valueable for me in initiating change and different patterns of behaviour.… Read more »

whatever
whatever

I have chiron at 1 degree aries conjunct MC (work / career / hobbies) trine neptune in the 6th (health and fitness of others, pharmacy items) and I work in a Uranian field. Natally I find it manifests as I’m the one who is forever finding peeps crying in the toilets/bathroom and helping them get themselves together so they can get back to their desks without anyone noticing, or making excuses for them so they can go and get the morning after pill or whatever. Saturn’s also in aries in the same house so I know how to work the… Read more »

whatever
whatever

O I totally forgot to say when chiron went through the 8th I wanted to kill myself – how funny – not the suicidal thing but that because that’s no longer an issue I forgot that it happened. I was living in a city I hate with a passion – a dark grey place and I got that seasonal thing where you don’t have enough sunlight, I also worked in a place where, I found out later, most of the other people also wanted to die – there was always someone crying in THAT toilet. Brings new meaning to sick… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

I’ve lived in that city.

whatever
whatever

hehehe rear vision mirror is the only way to see the sights of THAT city.

whatever
whatever

AAAH revelation… chiron changes signs/houses and I immediately think of going somewhere sunny – last sign/house it was in I went somewhere sunny immediately that I realised I couldn’t be happy where I was. If natal Chiron conjunct MC is in opposition to my sun conjunct uranus conjunct the IC does that mean chiron helps me make sudden choices to change my perspective and therefore my mental health by moving house? Innnteresting. Luckily I now live in a lovely city in a sunny house. Nice catalyst Mystic, thanks.

shell
shell

Whatever, can you describe the things you’re making?

whatever
whatever

Hey shell, you might not ever get this cos it’s so long in the past but I felt rude not answering. Since being here last I had the revelation that I’m only going to spend my time doing things that I really want to do – my life is pretty much my own, I should be milking this time for all it’s worth – make hay while the sun shines. So I quit my job and took the other one that is intense but well paid. For now I’m not doing anything I’ve been offered or asked to do except… Read more »

shell
shell

doing things you really want to do? Good on you love (added bonus when it’s well paid!).
I defn think there is something for creating for the joy of it only.
Hope your job remains fab!

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

whatevs, maybe your Chiron/MC conjunct “catalyses” your sun/uranus/IC conjunction (or vice versa) – so when it’s all pooling at the bottom of your chart, Uranus goes “fuq this” and the sun says “help meeeee” and chiron says “right-o, you need some of THIS sunshine” and shows you the way again.

just a thought.

whatever
whatever

Hm interesting idea UP – it’s way late to write in this thread but light is something that I am entirely sensitive to – certain frequencies / subtle flickers and change in frequency can give me wild electrical headaches – there is an astro thing in my chart that relates to it so you’re onto something re the astro connections – uranus is def a part of it. I have to sit with my back to windows but am deep-down secretly pleased because this means I’m always backlit and looking my best LOL a moment of total libran vanity has… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra

Mystic sometimes you are SO SPOT ON it FREAKS me. Just reading the subtitle of the ‘Romance Novel’ struck a chord with me. I think it was @ Feb 2005 when I met the Pisces firey and fell madly (I use the word deliberatley) in love, lost my mind, marraige and nearly my children in exchange for .. not much I’d have to say. Said Pisces has moved away and since moving (even though I actually helped him shift) has increasingly turned-down offers to go for drinks, movies, whatever – saying we can continue our friendship on the phone and… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

There’s a song by John Mayer (I know, he’s not exactly popular with the ladies here) but, it so reminded me of my relationship with Pisces male at a time…

Something to the effect of someone getting you so high just to see how far you’d fall.

Cruel. But mostly because they don’t love themselves and so do that for reassurance that they are loved. Not a healthy situation BL as you are finding. Good you put your foot down and set boundries. Who needs it doll…

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

p.s., I’d done on line dating several years back. I’m assuming this is what Oasis Active is? On line dating was okay. The most important people in my life however were always set up by the universe without nary an effort on my part. Noone has been sent my way as far as a male is concerned. With all the growth I’ve done apparently there is noone good enough? 😉 Except my lovely 84 yr old Scorpy and her Pisces daughter, Susan. My Solar Return shows my 11 degree Aries Sun smack dab on 11 degree Aries Descendant. It’s all… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Hello my sweeteast pea, can you explain natal chiron in the 8th in aqua 26 deg, no other planets there. Sex addiction ???

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

that’s conjunct my Mars in 8th aqua davidL! that’s all I have to offer. 🙂

davidl
davidl

kismet !!!

bluelibra
bluelibra

Actually it was a John Mayer song that summed up our relationship so well, ‘Slow Dancing in a Burning Room’ it was called.

saggigal
saggigal

general: march 2005- got together with ex, fell head over heels in love etc etc… april 2010- divorce almost final. (pretty clear cut chiron timeframe for me!) in between- faced all my deepest darkest wounds re: love, attachment, longing, jealousy, passivity, aggression…it was a relationship characterised by wounding, alot unintentional on both sides. ive come out of it far more clear eyed and strong from facing it. specific: chiron has been in my 10th, and my usually confident work life was turned upside down by a series of ‘trials’, all of which were deeply wounding, and, for a time, left… Read more »

White Musk
White Musk

I have just checked out your theory about Chiron effects being life shattering when it is on a chart angle. In April 2005 Chiron was around 2o of Aquarius [my ascendant] and you could say my whole world came tumbling down, lost my lover after 20 years, lost my investment in a property with no chance of saving or recovering my money. Without going into details it was the end of the world as I knew it then & it was all about deceit, gossip and lies with no way I could confront or defend what was happening. A totally… Read more »

cancirca
cancirca

Hm and as it happens now Chiron is just entering my 9th & as of the past two months I’ve been making serious inquiries about starting a PhD…

cancirca
cancirca

wow this all is so fascinating. God I hope Chiron in Pisces portends better for me. Chiron in aqua was latter half of my 7th house and all of 8th … meaning a post-divorce shitload of relationship struggle during this period. I must have separated & divorced (2004) when Chiron was in my early/mid-7th, & 2005 Feb/Mar was start of dating again. That was when I met brilliant semi-psycho turned-out-to-be-pedophile boyfriend/”guru”. Also, 2005, intense creative partnership/friendship I had been working in for three years collapsed painfully. 2006 madly in love for first time in over a decade, whirlwind-relationship-turned-disaster when love… Read more »

lady j
lady j

oof. chiron in the 5th house (& venus in gemini!), i cannot wait for you to get the fuq out! since 2005: long love affair with plenty of cheating & double crossing of friends, just barely getting into university for unknown reasons despite an impeccable academic records, upsetting meaningless relationships, those who actually cared enough for me well, got married and never told me!

will go out and buy champagne now to celebrate, thanks!

FireTrine
FireTrine

Glad to hear things are progressing so well regarding your daughter’s inheritance and all that stress is being transmuted into victory! Go He/She-Woman!!

FireTrine
FireTrine

Chiron has been transiting my 10th/11th houses.

2005 – Miscarriage. Leave south america and the life I built there over five years, the business, the pets, the ex.

2006 – Start of studies. Adjusting to a new world in Oz.

2008 – My brother who is my best friend dies. Stop studying. Find love. Have a baby.

2009 – Get married.

2010 – Have second baby.

I lost everything and gained everything with the eyes of two worlds watching. It was agony. My joy is only mine and my family’s to behold now. I care nothing for other’s opinions on my life and never will again.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Hm. Chiron natally 24 deg of Aries in the 1st hoose. Nowt I ken aboot that there.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Beautiful story of rising from the ashes..

FireTrine
FireTrine

Yeah – sometimes I wake up and can’t believe how natural it is that I am where I am. Other days I wake up and I still find a bit of ash on my face! (esp. as regards my bro.)

fallen angel
fallen angel

A little ash makes everything else more alive non? Or maybe it’s more angel dust from your brother?

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

Hmm, I met Leo lover in late Feb 05.

Chiron has been in my 8th all this time, and the sexual healing has been pretty damn good. Natally I have Chiron in late Pisces… bring on the Chiron tranisits. As my old dance teacher used to say ‘feeling it is healing it’.

The Empress
The Empress

Oh, and I also see that Chiron is opposition exact MC (although it is minus and separating).

Enough from me lol

The Empress
The Empress

Just noticed that Chiron was near the end of the 2nd house when the chaos began. Certainly turned my values on their head.

The Empress
The Empress

WOW Mystic!!! Was I needing this post. Have been thinking the last two days “I wonder what kind of consult MM could do to help me through THIS crap”. 2005 was the beginning of the disintegration of my current relationship. Things were done that I did not agree with at the time and so began the unravelling of it all. It has been a steady and painful descent ever since. The last two days has seen a complete change in atmosphere between us though and a kind of connection based on the honesty that was not forthcoming. Is this what… Read more »

Kimmy
Kimmy

I always think of Chiron as the immortal who prepared heroes to do the impossible. He taught Jason, Theseus and many of the Argonauts before they sailed for the golden fleece. He built the first gymnasium in the ancient world, studied herbs and stars and stratifies. He was all about the audacity to attempt! Or maybe I see him that way because I have Chiron in the 5th . . . But when Chiron left Capricorn in 2005 I left a well paying job that I did not enjoy and went back to uni full time. It was a risk.… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I’ve appreciated what you’ve written about Chiron, here and in other posts. I don’t find Chiron’s influences to be well defined in most astro writing. The ‘audacity to attempt’ is really interesting, and Chiron is the über trainer/healer/motivator due to that edge of suffering with his own incurable wound. He could have laid down and become dysfunctional with it, but instead it motivated him to become a better healer and spur others on to great things. His pain gave his motivation extra punch and substance, and his achievements extra potency. Similar, I think, to the way Lance Armstrong’s Tour de… Read more »

K-Gem
K-Gem

I also like the ‘audacity to attempt’ view of Chiron – in my 10th house, Pisces. I moved interstate to start a PhD in late Feb/early March 2005. I submitted it a month ago. Hopefully end of era = passing PhD. I did it to create a new professional life, but didnt’ want to be an academic then, although it’s what I currently am. Original goal was to do something practical and current yearnings are for exactly that, to return to my original motivations for doing PhD and my original aims. Also learned that I should follow my instincts more,… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

LOVE this ladies, you’ve both articulated my thoughts on Chiron. It isn’t just about the plodding work behind doing what’s necessary to heal (Saturn) but the openness to meet and reach for inspired opportunities (Chiron).

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I might also add that Chiron’s story is one of transcendence. First, he overcame the prejudices against ‘beastly’ centaurs to become a respected healer and teacher. In spite of his gift for medicine, when he was shot with a poisoned arrow, he couldn’t heal his own wound, and because he was immortal he was destined to live with his pain for eternity. Instead, he relinquished his immortality — giving his life to save Prometheus who was in the cosmic dog house — but after his death, as a reward for his services, Zeus honoured him with a place in the… Read more »

Kim Falconer
Kim Falconer

Beautiful, Uber, thanks for adding that. The story of Chiron is rich and full of meaning, from his conception to his death and placement in the stars–an entire hero’s journey in itself!

Charles
Charles

Yeah this Chiron stuff is getting to me. I’m undergoing a series of Chiron-Pluto oppositions, Pluto Rx means it is wandering back and forth over the opposition point for this whole year. I particularly love one sentence in my astro software’s interpretation, “Sexual experience may provide the gateway into the hidden world of the dark places in the human psyche, yours or another person’s.” Ok, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Currently, I’m not getting any, while my bipolar homeless gf is out the fucking anything that moves EXCEPT me. That’s one of the side-effects of a manic… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra

Charles – if she’s out there fucking anything that moves except you – you don’t need neo-Astro Chiron stuff to figure it out do you?

fallen angel
fallen angel

oh blue.

Charles
Charles

Now that was mean… I think. I try to tell myself, it’s her illness, not her. That’s the biggest problem with Bipolars, they have an immense amount of shame over what they do during their mania. And I have just been learning about this from her best friend (she and I signed the commitment papers together). She said that the first time I finally sat down and told her I loved her, and she totally rejected me in a most hurtful manner and I was angry, so she told me we shouldn’t see each other for a while (nearly 3… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I dealt with a bipolar patient once who fled from a relationship with someone she adored. She said they were becoming really close but he didn’t know she was bipolar and yes, she complicated it by thinking he wouldn’t love her when he found out, or he’d be hurt by her bipolar behaviour and she feared him abandoning her because of it. I guess your wound is tied up with your relationship with her. You can accept her and you’re willing to commit to coping with whatever the relationship entails, but she can’t accept your acceptance. I take it you’re… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Wow. Charles I think given that you don’t relate to Chiron and seem stalwartly accepting (as much as is possible) of the situation, Blue may have meant you may not really need to rely on Chiron as a concept..since it seems to be more of a source of bafflement than healing at this point. At least that’s how I read it. “Sexual experience may provide the gateway into the hidden world of the dark places in the human psyche, yours or another person’s.” from your prior post.. whether or not you buy into Chiron isn’t really the issue. But given… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

you’re wonderful FA. and my heartfelt support and sympathy charles.

xx to you all

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

FA, you truly have an enormous heart.

Hasn’t this thread turned into an epic?

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Charles, I’d like to add Chiron isn’t only showing you the dark side of the human psyche, there is also enormous light there in your love and devotion to her, your honesty, and the fact you care enough to hang in there and go through this terrible pain. Regardless of the outcome for your relationship, that is a great source of healing and hope — for yourself at the very least. The world needs more people like you. I feel like I know fallen angel so well, as she has written so eloquently and honestly about her pain on this… Read more »

Charles
Charles

I just don’t know what to think about fa and your comments here. But then, I am at a loss of what to think about ANY of this situation. But I do appreciate all the thoughts. I just don’t know how any of this is going to play out. But I all I can see is that there many more potentially disastrous outcomes than positive ones. Her best friend says to me, “as long as you’re worrying and being negative about the likely outcomes, the more likely the outcome will be negative.” And I tell her, I don’t have much… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Auuw fanks guys, I would have never made it without this haven of safety and all of you, so really it’s like having so many different guardian angels beside me. Uber is right about that “capacity to love” which at times I felt more burdened than blessed with considering I had no welcoming place to direct it to, where it was mutually reciprocated in kind. Writing here has been part of that healing, part of knowing that my river flows into the bigger sea of all my others here. Uber, I can tell Charles is truly in love with this… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Charles I think we posted at almost the same time as I just now saw your comments. Of course you’re at a loss..being lost is part of it. Experiences like this are confounding but it does disable the idea of mechanical fix-ability..because it is mythic in proportions. The disorientation creates a space where you face the fact that it’s not all up to you to determine how it plays out. Your only choice is to decide what to do about you..and though that sounds straightforward, we both know it’s not. This cycle of wondering and waiting is well, Promethean. And… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Charles, what angel said ^^^. I disagree with girlfriend’s friend too. I doubt you have much influence on the outcome. I truly hope she gets the help, but as angel says, it’s up to her. I doubt you’re thinking of your own healing yet, but I’m going to take the liberty of saying it’s possible to heal. I’ve lost loved ones forever in tragic, pointless circumstances. I don’t wish it on anyone and I struggled like hell, dug deep for a long time to find any meaning in those losses. I’ll never be the same, but I don’t want to… Read more »

Friday
Friday

It’s raining, so appropriately want to wash this Chrion away! That era for me revolved around trying to finish uni and build a career. The “wound” I sustained was about how I was seen and how my intelligence was perceived by others. Sample snippets from colleagues: “We thought because you were so pleasant, you weren’t ambitious,” and “Because you’re so pleasant, it’s hard to believe you’re so smart!” (Chiron in Aries in the 12th, yes, “head” wound ie, how I saw my intelligence and ability to progress.) My psychological momentum during that time was trying to protect my family and… Read more »

starstrokes
starstrokes

Jeez…I have Chiron in the 4th conjunct NNode & I have always seemed like I could dive deep into the abyss in myself & that it would always feel wounded- that the healing just wouldn’t take the pain away…mostly mother/childhood stuff. Anyways it occurs to me that it has entirely shifted & I have no attachment to it anymore & I love my own little family-that has come into being in the last 5 years-more than I ever imagine, a blessing everyday. Chiron hasbeen transiting my Aqua moon for quite a bit & it didn’t seem like anything was “happening”… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Really? Do I dare? I have Uranus in Aries in the 7TH house. So yep. 2005: Hmm. Jan I stopped housing with my ex husband the nebulous Cancerian. Brother died in March. Broke up with Sagg BF as he admitted he had a drink problem same time. May, the Adulterous Toro ex came into town to tell me he still loved me but was unwilling to change his situation, just as I returned from Costa Rica. Met the Sewer in July and he practically moved in almost immediately. 2006: Divorce from the Nebulous Cancerian finally approved by the Courts. Blissfully… Read more »

olyalyalya
olyalyalya

Aw angel. Me too March/April 2005 saw the end of my long term realtionship. Since then been on a rollercoaster ride concerning relationships and sex. Chron in my 8th.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Yes, those relating houses can be tough! Ups and downs, all around..

AquaRam
AquaRam

Wow, March 2005 through till about now has been the worst time of my entire life in as far as domestic violence issues, depression and generally horrid shite. I am now much better (since 2007) but I really want this period to end, please tell me it is!!! Aqua sun, Aries Moon & Venus, Virgo Rising.

Leogroover
Leogroover

“experience my wounds through my sexuality” i don’t think too drastic as that exactly what happened to me from March 2005 onwards. My wounds were healed also through meeting and falling in love with a great lover. This went on for 3 years.

fallen angel
fallen angel

I agree, Leogroover..also by “sexuality” I would also think in terms of your sensual nature, your sensual persona, how one uses sexuality as part of attraction/interaction with the opposite sex (or the same one if you’re so inclined). So for someone to say you “experience” your wounds through it, may just mean that it throws light on un-articulated pain, the kind that’s so deep and so close, it’s not that easy to make out. For instance, (and this is a very general example not specific to anyone), if a person’s identity is largely defined by their attractiveness perhaps because they… Read more »

Leogroover
Leogroover

FA i will ponder your wise words as they are very relevent to my stuff right now. Untangling is one of my fav words. i’m always untangling myself (mostly unsuccessfully) from someone else but maybe I should be focussing on myself. mmmm

fallen angel
fallen angel

Thanks Leogroover..yes, it’s one of the blights and blessings of coupling. Our “other” becomes the slate where somehow our unspoken issues are written out, so it can be a bit of a job to clarify, is it our issue or theirs? A mix of both probably. I’ve always felt relationships are the crucible where we can distill ourselves to purer forms, being enmeshed can inspire us but also catalyze so much unfinished in us. Inevitably the only change you can control is the one that starts and ends with you. Now when I think of love, I can only hope… Read more »

not-so-virginal
not-so-virginal

feb 2005 was when i moved back in with my parents in north queensland due to problems with alcoholism, anxiety and depression. it has been a massive process of trying to haul myself up from a very deep and dark hole. at first it was impossible to get work, and i could barely get out of bed each day. but i finally went back to uni, and got myself a shit job. now i’m most of the way through my degree, all my debts are paid off, and i am back living in brisbane, which is where i belong. i… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

not-so-virginal it sounds like you’ve Saturn’d the shite out of the Chironic phase, so kudos darling. I went through a similar period right after Uni where I developed agoraphobia. In fact, I used to leave the house after having planned “safe points” I could stop at on my route, i.e. see sister on the way to interview, then see other friend after, till I found my way home. Otherwise I would suffer horrible anxiety attacks that felt like I was dying, and even once found myself curled up in a ball at the ladies after having beat 200 candidates for… Read more »

shell
shell

“…there’s nothing wrong with being wounded”
That’s really inspiring FA.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

What a liberating thought.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Being wounded is inevitable, I think something tribes people had the space and time to actually honor in ritual as when they sent their boys off to the wild to return as men, and for when girls performed rites of beauty and home that signaled their transition to womanhood. Maybe because these less modern societies lived so close to survival they understood the fragility of life, as well as the need for the hardiness to endure and yes, transcend it. Their elderly gave comfort and guidance to the young because they had earned that compassion and wisdom. But for us,… Read more »

not-so-virginal
not-so-virginal

thanks a lot for your words of wisdom, FA. they literally brought a tear to my eye. a lot to think about, indeed, but thankyou so much for sharing.

shell
shell

Natally i have chiron at 29 aries (conjunct eros), in my 9th, so they’re sextile now. March 2005, he crossed my descendent. I ended a brief foray into trying to live with other people and went back to solo living. Not long after that I gave up trying to work and study (after being told I was behaving badly at work, and I was cause I hated my job) and went down the student path I’m still on. But, that was also the beginning of the long haul of saturn over my saturn, asc and mars (after all that time… Read more »

shell
shell

thinking on this further, it also coincides with a withdrawl from relating overall. working at home or in an office by myself, being too busy studying, or too poor from not working, to socialise much. and lots of higher mind stuff, going on sun sign houses, embracing me as nerd. and i guess now i am trying to unravel some of the patterns of thought that going it alone for so long have created. it’s not as simple as relying on yourself.

whatever
whatever

; 0) hard for a saturn oriented person to admit shell – that little epiphany probably gets you halfway to fixing any side-effects you’ve accumulated.

shell
shell

Thanks love. To be honest though its not the admitting I find problematic, its coming up with practical ways to operationalise changes that I can see enough evidence of so as to stop me reverting to knee-jerk ‘I want this to happen now’ type things. Which of course get me nowhere.
Uranus is coming up to trine my Saturn, Asc, Mars, and sextile my Merc, Sun, from the O Aries point, in my 8th. Perhaps there will be something in there for me.

Aquamaide
Aquamaide

Yup, that was when I started my “health kick” to balance depression, stop smoking, problem drinking, isolation, despair eat healthy etc. Joined the gym, stopped being a work robot and looked around me. Bigger than i realised, done lots of self-analysis, been to therapy (psychiatrist, psychologist, counsellor, energy healer, doctor ), worked through lots of ancient crap-wounds, changed jobs, changed industry, “released ego”, took ego back, went with the flow, went against the flow, stood still, knew, didn’t know etc etc etc. Now have a completely different perspective on life, feel like a different person and can def. feel the… Read more »

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

2005 was a starting to get my shit together phase. Started getting paid work in radio… started thinking about going back to uni…
I was kicking some goals in 2005. In some ways I am much better off now (not working in a call centre, have a degree, have a career) but its still not excellent.
Crap housemate moved in and my home stopped being pleasant… that over now (hurrah!). Hrmmm… what else?

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

Oh oh! Natally I have my Chiron in my 6th house… my panic attacks started around then… I am now much, much, much healthier, have really good process to deal with the attacks if and when they happen. I used to do no exercise and I now swim 3 times a week, box, do yoga and ride to work… go for walks during my break.
My Chiron is transiting through Aqua at the moment… not sure what that means…

Baristagem
Baristagem

Which house your aqua in?

I too began having PA around 06 after a traumatic event & am currently getting that all fixed up. In the meantime I managed to find a great site by a woman called Belleruth Naparstek & have recently read her books, she is very innovative in healing using guided imagery! I purchased a combination of her meditations in december & listen to them everyday.

*hugs venus a-go-go*

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

My Aqua straddles my 4th and 5th house.
My panic attacks generally tend to be around issues of control/being trapped. Whenever I was on a tram, at a job that i hated, in the middle of a seating row or a lecture theatre… I would break out into a sweat and loose it.
My beautiful naturopath gave me all of these focusign techniques and tapping points that I could do. The diet change and making sure I don’t stress out my body was also really helpful.
Its like I now give my panic different outlets (badly phrased).

venus a-go-go
venus a-go-go

You should have come roller skating;)

year of the fox
year of the fox

All i can say end of a Chiron era? Natally i have Chiron in the 5th house in Aries. Thank goodness! Good freaking bye and don’t let the door hit you on the @ss. I can’t wait for it to end. I’ve been absolutely miserable in the love dept since march/apr 2005. Broke up the most stable relationship I’d ever experienced…but all for the best in the end. I had my heart smashed out and eaten alive by stupid Scorp. Drama with insane Aquas. Crushed by 2 Toros. I couldn’t get a break at all. It was nothing but upheaval… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

It must have transitted your third house then? Did it form aspects to any planets along the way? Have you learned to communicate your woundedness/personal healing somehow?

year of the fox
year of the fox

I don’t have any planets in my lower half of the chart but at some point it would have opposed natal Venus and Vertex. With it going into Pisces, It’ll eventually be squaring natal Saturn & Asc while opposing MC. I would say it would be difficult to get any worse at this point regarding love life because you can’t ruin what you don’t have. Amor fati & all that rot!

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

If you’re growing, ultimately that will benefit your relationships, yeah?

I had Chiron transitting the 2nd then 3rd. No planets there, but from 2005 I decided to depose money insecurities to pursue creative goals, then I think Chiron totally transformed/enhanced my ability to communicate my personal ‘truth’.

year of the fox
year of the fox

*nods* In your case that makes total sense! The only thing that I remember doing pro-actively during that early span of the time was try to communicate my relationship needs before I broke it off with the “Big One”. Everything after almost seemed out of my hands. I mean I know we always have a choice to accept someone into our lives but we can’t control others’ behaviour. We can however decide to kick them out of our lives if they become poison. :3 I’m just not sure how that relates to communication is all. But yes, I do feel… Read more »

Baristagem
Baristagem

Holy crap!

March 2005 was the beginning of a horrendous situation that I became entangled in, it felt like it took me forever to get out… & er… it still haunts me to this day……..

Btw I had a dream last night where a woman was calling out names as in a roll call & when she called ‘Baristagem’ she looked at me and said ‘perspective’….

I have pisces asc & hope Chiron in Pisces will be a positive time!

fallen angel
fallen angel

Wow, great dream. And she is you IMO.

Baristagem
Baristagem

Yes I think so too FA! 🙂

I have Chiron natal in Taurus 2nd house & Chiron has been transiting across the 12th which is why I think I have retreated in order to recover for last few years. I haven’t felt my full gemini self in a while but after reading Kimmy’s Astro Flash on Friday about making peace with the past….. I listened. 😯
That might explain my perspective dream!

fallen angel
fallen angel

A very Gemini dream! And being in your 12th, your “twin” reappeared. I think the roll-call was very symbolic, like she is identifying YOU, like your spirit self saying, I see you and this is what I need you to know. Amazing.

Lioness
Lioness

I have no idea where chiron is in my chart but I so hope to God it has had an effect on whatever rules my “home” and it is OVER. All of my life I have had AMAZING apartment luck – land in a new city, know no one and find an amazing apartment in a day for half the price everyone else is paying. Well no more. It started in 2005 and has gotten progressively worse as the years went by. I could write book on the hell I have been through – gangs, heroin addicts, mentally unstable landlords,… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

If you’d like to find out where your natal Chiron is (for free), you could go to astro.com and use the ‘Chart Drawing Ascendant’ to bring up your chart. On the chart page, ‘view additional tables’ will tell you your house positions etc. Chiron has just transitted the sign of Aquarius, so it will have transitted the houses on your chart where Aqua is located. During that time it would have also opposed your Leo sun. Mystic says below you sound as though you’ve had Pluto through the 4th. You can find out the transits for that time on the… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

It says “Chiron 22 Pis 6′ 1″r”, I am a Leo with Pis rising but I only see Aqu here “12: 21 Aqu 46′ ”

I have no idea what any of that means but God I hope it’s OVER. A person can only take so much. And believe it or not, all of that was not the worst of the last five years – it’s just what started around March 2005.

shell
shell

Lioness, if you’re Pisces rising then your 4th house is probably Gemini, and Chiron in Aqua has been transiting your 11th and some of your 12th house, if that’s what you mean by the 12: 21 Aqu bit. 11th house is social network type stuff, 12th house is soul/psych things. For 4th house things look to what you’ve got in Gemini, particularly late, as Pluto in Sagg would have opposed it, and Chiron in late Aqua would have trined it. It also means you’ve had Uranus over your asc and in your 1st opposing Saturn in your Virgo in your… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

Yes, looks like gemini in the fourth.

“Who you are and how you relate to people.” makes some sense, things have changed drastically for me in the last few years, sold business, in a complexly different field now – that was for the best but a very rocky start, still rocky but improving.

Also had a severe, life changing, lillusion smashing trauma at the end of 2007 that has taken me until now to START to recover from. It’s been rough. All I want now is a nice peaceful home, I really hope it’s over.

Lioness
Lioness

Oh and yes 12th is Aqu

Lioness
Lioness

Third and fourth in Gemini, true node and Jupiter. I thought Jupiter was a good planet??? Maybe you just meant houses. I’ll look it up.

Lioness
Lioness

Third house is “The 3rd house rules siblings, neighbors,” OMG! The whole trauma at the end of 2007 was sibling related!!! And my neighbors have ALL been insane since 2005 . That ‘s really spooky. Ok how do I found out when this will happen again so that I can just check myself into a mental hospital ahead of time?? LOL

Lioness
Lioness

” Uranus over your asc and in your 1st opposing Saturn in your Virgo in your 7th” Virgo is in my seventh house – is that what you meant? I also have Venus and Uranus in Virgo, that probably just made everything worse.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I think you could benefit a lot from a consult with a professional astrologer, as in Mystic, or if you’re in the US, try Robert Wilkinson from Aquarius Pages. A good astrologer will help you understand what’s happened and help gear you up for what’s to come. Pluto transitted your 10th by the looks since 2005, and therefore opposed the 4th house. That may explain some of the home difficulties, and that transit is definitely over, as Pluto is now in Capricorn. What you need is some nice Jupiter transits and you’re in luck there, because Jupiter is now in… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Oops, Aquarius papers. Planetwaves also worth checking out, as mentioned above.

Lioness
Lioness

Hasn’t Pluto been in Cap for a while now?? The last six months haven’t been as bad as before just crazy irrational outbursts by landlord, freezing cold apartment, constant interruptions that severely affected my work. No shootings at least. Definitely irritating and time wasting and so unproductive! Consult might not hurt but I really don’t want to know if there is more bad to come! I’d rather just hope things will be getting better – even if I’m wrong! I think I really started thinking that there was something to astrology when Saturn was in Leo. I definitely felt that.… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Lioness, you’ve had a seriously bad run, and it has doubtless shown in your astro, but don’t lose heart. Your chart isn’t doomed, and it doesn’t mean that you’ll go through similar hell each time you have a transit to Pluto or Chiron etc. No matter what, all transits can be two sided, so there’s no such thing as ‘bad astro’ per se. Bad circumstances yes, but astro can show you how those transits may benefit you eventually. Even the most challenging ones that come with crises can bring about incredible personal development that benefits you down the track. Look… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

I’m not whining but this last “run” has left me damaged. I’m not the same. I’ve yet to see a benefit to any of it although I used to believe everything you stated above. I do think I have a bad chart. Tons of little squares, Saturn in Pisces, Chiron in Pisces. I think Saturn is squared too. Don’t even get me started on my childhood. I’ve had more drama in my life than any ten people I know and none of it self-inflicted. Again, really not complaining and I would never, ever off myself, but it’s gets old after… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

You DO need a break and I hope you don’t lose faith. I have Saturn and Chiron in Pisces in the fourth and my share of squares. Although Chiron forms a T-square with Uranus and my Asc. it’s super important to me and part of my life’s work. Squares are certainly challenging but when you master them the effect is extremely profound.

Hey, I’ll read your bestseller. Turning your experiences into art is one way of transforming them.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I might also recommend Viktor Frankl’s ‘Man’s Search For Meaning’. A super inspiring book about a psychiatrist who survived Auschwitz and devised a form of therapy from his experiences.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Great recommendation Uber! Because guess what, that book helped me get through agoraphobia… painstakingly. Lioness, I completely believe you when you say you’ve had loads of drama not caused by you, but I’m a bit wary of agreeing with anyone to say they have a “bad chart”. There’s no denying there can be difficult aspects, maybe more so than others.. but as they say astrology is not destiny. And I believe that you would not be able to speak about it so strongly if you didn’t have the gumption (as tired as you are now, and rightly so) to handle… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

I had a “secretly bisexual unfaithful partner” too, never figured out the benefit/lesson to that one either. OK, I have a “challenging” chart. Which is fine really, I believe that you play the cards you’re dealt. I’ll be fine, I just need a normal place to live and everything will work out. I am an artist and that was my career switch. If you can call it that, I really think you are born an artist. I used to paint flowers and now I am painting roaring lions and stranded little girls LOL . You can’t create in a stressful… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Well, you definitely have a winning attitude and yes, there isn’t an actual point attached to “secret bisexuality”..if anything the point I found with that was how subconsciously I had once again homed in on someone unavailable. THOSE were the reasons I needed to delve into, not so much his crap.. but you sound like you’re taking this with some sense of humor, however wry. Hang in there, it may be that the other side of this story is what could happen once you find another space, that is you’ll have better homing instincts and you may decorate differently realizing… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

Well fallen angel I think you should write it all down. Write to him for days if you need to, get it all out. You can burn it all when you’re done but at least you will get it and so you can move on.

And I’m sorry but I do not think it was your fault that some lying bastard tricked you into thinking that he was straight.

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

Lioness, please let us know if you get the fabulous new apartment. I love a happy ending.

Sending you positive vibes. 🙂

Lioness
Lioness

I got the apartment. :o)

Although my ex just had to spend an hour on the phone talking me into taking it because I was too freaked out by the all of the crazy home BS to think it could actually be a good place and was contemplating moving to a semi-deserted stretch of beach in another state.

It really is a nice apartment. The balcony is a big as the apartment and has an awesome view and it’s quiet – even at night, I checked 😉

Can it really be over, really? Oh I so hope it is!

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Congratulations! I reckon you might have Jupiter conjunct or near conjunct your Ascendant. Good luck!

fallen angel
fallen angel

Onwards and upwards Lioness… now you can really roar! Congratulations darling and have fun making your space fit for a queen!

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

As an Aquarius I can tell you the last five years were no laughing matter. Anytime I had an anxiety attack or was overwhlemingly sad I would check the days aspects and something would be going on with Chiron. It also brackets the most powerful love affair/heart smashing of my life. BUT at the same time it has been a constant flow of insight, learning, strengthening, wisening. Certainly much of that had to do with Saturn, too, for me. But I have been constantly learning more about Chiron as I’ve been going through this. Also, it was just before Chiron… Read more »

Lioness
Lioness

My ex is and Aqu and he went through somethng similar – “heart smashing ” in the last five years. He is now getting divorced.

saggigal
saggigal

yep, eric francis and planetwaves are brilliant for thorough examination of chiron and other usually not touched upon astro.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“doing empathetic therapist-nodding”

Awww, that is sweet Mystic..

Fact is, in 2005 broke up with the (male) Pisces only to have a new Pisces (platonic girlfriend) now..

Chiron conjunct Pisces MC….Some heavy shit I gather..

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

But in a good way… 😉

Sassy
Sassy

Ohhh, transit Chiron conjunct my pisces MC also sweetie. Work change or some status change. What does the 10th house represent in traditional astrology?

whatever
whatever

Sweetie is your natal chiron on your MC? Your job is perfect channeling of it isn’t it?

Sassy it’s your work/profession but it can be work you do for no money – like hobbies. It’s also how other people see you – what they subjectively sse, not necessarily how it actually is.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yes, whatever, my natal Chiron is 10 degrees of the Pisces MC on the 9th house side at 25 Aqua…So, technically still conjunct… But, to add, natal Chiron is trine my 25 Mars and 26 Asc in Gem so does suit my profession. Very astute of you! (and good memory!) Right now, trans Chiron moving in to conjunct 3 degree Sun-Moon midpoint in Pisces and 5 degree Pisces MC. A part of this healing is that Pisces Susan’s (I’m taking care of her Mother), Moon is 1 degree Pisces….right on my midpoint and MC. The universe works in mysterious ways… Read more »

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