Does Pluto In Capricorn Equal Temperance?

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You know I really thought it was Saturn in Virgo but now I’m definitely thinking Pluto In Capricorn could equal temperance. Or something similar.

It’s not just that there are scary new anti-booze ads – this yicky one is my ‘fave’ .  Nor is it the percentage of the population who choose to abstain for whatever personal reason. More peeps are aiming to be without alcohol or radically limit their intake. Every month there is a new giving-up-grog for charity junket such as Dry July or Feb Fast (in Australia but they’re everywhere) and, well, I am starting to wonder if it’s a deeper social shift as part of Pluto getting into Capricorn.

Think about it. Abstinence = more control, more thought for longevity and enduring consequences, sagacious actions, preservation of beauty/genius regardless of what time/stress flings at one, cool under pressure not skulking off to the nearest bottle shop – these are all very Cap traits, yes?

Or I suppose, if you wanted to be more neg/cynical about it, you could see it as government being control-freaky, narking off about innocent pleasures & wowsering away. Thoughts? It would be interesting to know if there are signs of the Zodiac vehemently pro or anti the stuff though i suspect it’s more complex than mere Sun Signs.

Neptune ALWAYS plays a strong part in alcohol & other glam or escapist urges that could also take one tres low.

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Pegasus
Pegasus

A journalist/reporter friend of mine says ‘you can get all the info you
need after 2 beers with a person’.

AriesLove
AriesLove

Aries Sun, Gemini Asc, Virgo Moon. I dont drink. I hate the idea of it, and its dastardly effects. Totally gross. Ive had a few on social occasions in the past, but im done- never again, just not interested at all. I really dont get it either- the attraction to it ie. Hangovers, potential for addiction and the ruin of relationships, career, health etc. It also tastes bad! Eww. I find it easy to let go and have fun without it also, so really, its all a huge cultish-like mystery to me. Dad is a bit of an alcho so… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

Another note on Pluto in Cap. I’ve been meditating lately on how Pluto and Saturn truly are the ultimate teachers … however they take vastly different approaches. Saturn will whine incessantly and raise all sorts of warning signs as to potential negative consequences – “hey if you keep drinking like that you’re gonna end up with cirrhosis … or worse UGLY, AGED AND FAT.” Pluto will sit back and say nought, let you have your own experiences (for better or worse), wait until you’re in hospital, with a drip in one arm and a catheter up yer yoni, then remark… Read more »

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

Very true! Saturn is almost tangible and vocal. Pluto is like a shadow… silent.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Interesting prowln, also couldn’t agree with you more.

FireTrine
FireTrine

(the large number of children obviously suffering infant alcohol syndrome you see roaming about in QLD do too I’d bet)

prowlncat
prowlncat

infant alcohol syndrome surely is a tragedy … do you know it can be detected in an adult by an extremely underformed upper lip?

FireTrine
FireTrine

Yeah there are a number of clues including a long upper lip which is very smooth. A friend told me of a Jewish belief was that just before a baby is sent to earth an angel would take it around the world and show it everything, then, at the last moment, touch it between the nose and mouth leaving an indentation there. Then they would forget everything they had seen and be sent on their journey. Sorry to be romantic about such a thing, it just always makes me sad because it is like those kiddies didn’t get the benefit… Read more »

Pisces in CQ
Pisces in CQ

Prowlncat. I’m a mother of a special needs child. Please do not judge a person simply by their physical appearance being the cause of their mother’s actions during pregnancy. Sometimes it is simply genetics gone awry

FireTrine
FireTrine

Also a good point P in CQ, hope your bubba is doing well!

prowlncat
prowlncat

I very much doubt in the early phase of Pluto in Cap that there will be any kind of meaningful rise in ascetic behaviour … at least in Western societies. Sure Cap is about structures, both in the broader society and the internal structures individuals adopt for survival … but Pluto likes to lift the lid off the shit and show all the squirmy things underneath that we prefer to remain oblivious to – it’s a confronting energy and in my experience people quickly slap the blinkers on when confronted with uncomfortable truths. I know I do!!! Frankly, my perception… Read more »

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

well said. Couldn’t agree with you more!!!

prowlncat
prowlncat

I’ve always found it completely naff that Cognitive Behavioural Therapy … which is the predominant psychological therapeutic model available in Australia … cites that it takes three months to change a behaviour. Utterly ridiculous! Ok cognitively that may be the case in terms of our frontal lobes (reason, common sense). But try telling that to the hypothalamus which rules our biochemical system including the pleasure and pain centers of the brain! They completely ignore the fact the unconscious mind rules us far more than we are prepared to accept (another denial mechanism). Anyone I have spoken to who has quit… Read more »

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries

Annie Lamott says if we took all our psycological crutches away all at once we’d just sit in the middle of the room an howl like a lonely dog…… I didn’t realize Ozzies as a society were really big drinkers, I knew a few, but I figured it was because they had big expansive lets face it- fun- personalities…. Prowlncat- Your comment about the early days is very wise. I had two experiences this weekend where I saw the lid come off, and the little squirmy things got exposed. Trouble is- I didn’t know how to react….. I didn’t run… Read more »

FireTrine
FireTrine

Mars squares Neptune, ahem, how much to reveal? If I was an addictive personality I would be dead by now. I used to enjoy a bottle of tequila every now and then! I don’t really change much when I drink except to be rather more outgoing (read ‘ridiculously outgoing’). I lived on the beach in various developing countries working in tourism for about 7 years. The party never seemed to stop, especially as I was involved in staging full moon parties and managing a bar. Now alcohol gives me a headache (esp. preservative laden Aussie wine). But I still love… Read more »

Sassy
Sassy

Moon conjunct neptune sextile pluto. A few years was binge drinker and i would turn into a monster while drunk. New addiction is the gym and i rarely drink now.. funny thing is that I have a addictive aspects in me, so I usually just swap one for the other. I need something to be addictive and obsessive about. One point i was gyming twice daily six days a week and drinking only protein shakes and eating salad. Im more balanced today, drink once or twice a month (sometime to get drunk) depends on life circumstances, sometimes it is called… Read more »

FireTrine
FireTrine

Sassy I have Moon conjunct Neptune also mine is in the 8th house (Sagg), where is yours?

Sassy
Sassy

Hey Firetrine, yes mine is saggi 7/8 th cusp Moon in 7th, Neptune in 8th.

Just out of curiosity, have you received an inheritance? You dont have to answer if too personal, soz.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Well, I had a small amount of help for an investment several years ago, but otherwise not really, unless you count something through the partner?

tati
tati

Temperance? wot’s that?

(double scorp)

I can flip between decadent excess and controlled asceticism no problem.

I like the word “temperance”, so much more poetic than “being a teetotaller”.

I’ve lived with various Pisces almost all my life until about a year ago – they sure did encourage intemperance. Not so much heavy drinking, just a preponderance of it in all activities.

I like to use intoxicants more directively ie. to produce an effect, rather than just drink for the sake of drinking but I think the Fishes I’m thinking of drink because they like it. 🙄

triple air gem
triple air gem

oh BTW guys, I love everyones lovely avatars and wanted to add one myself.. I know it was posted on the blog somewhere but can’t find where…

or does anyone know how?

xox

Scorpalicious robot
Scorpalicious robot

go to gravatar.com

triple air gem
triple air gem

thanks x

sagsunpiscasctaumoon
sagsunpiscasctaumoon

i decided about a year ago that i didnt like how alcohol made me feel and i significantly reduced the amount i drank. nowadays i dont drink at all, i find it takes me at least two days to get over having two beers, let’s not start with spirits and wine! i quit smoking ciggies after 10 years 7 months ago, and barring a few slips late last year, i am ciggie free in 2010. and funnily enough, my line of work didnt really impact on my drinking… i worked as a drug and alcohol counsellor for 5 years in… Read more »

triple air gem
triple air gem

Used to be an alco, and did everything else at one point too. Having done it for over a decade I know that it is not “fun”. My life was a misery as I was masking all the crap I didn’t want to deal with. Having started on the dealing with part I stopped doing all the substances about 6-7 years ago and don’t miss them at all. I recognise that, particularly initially, the abstinence was like the addiction (great Larry Flynt quote) but with time that ferocious need to shun fell away and I was left with no desire… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I feel lucky I have plenty of friends who aren’t interested in drinking, but some of the folks I know with drinking problems cite heavy social pressure as one of the reasons they find it difficult to quit or even cut back.

Everyone else is doing it and quitting means losing friends.

Congratulations on your recovery!

Aeris
Aeris

I live in San Francisco, CA and everyone is complaining about the recent trend of cracking down on live music, licensing for bars, entertainment commission threatening to sue DJs/KJs without proof of receipt for music, etc. Totally Fun Police time. It sucks.

scorpiontailedtongue
scorpiontailedtongue

yes, it’s CA is turning into a nanny state- going way too far- need to have fun and entertainment still!

aqua lion
aqua lion

very much so – am on big diet (and finding it surprisingly easy) and am currently surrounded by people on health jags / diets / health kicks – but surprisingly enough these are not short lived, they have been going for a while now and most are showing results! Which makes it much easier to keep up the motivation. I had actually put it down to retro-Mars (thinking: undoing of habits which are bad for your body)… but I guess it could be Pluto in Cap as well. I am not over the top with this – am quite prepared… Read more »

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries

Yes, butin a cool way. CAppy affecteds s get in touch with their capricious side without the need of the demon rum as an excuse. Acts cleaned up and frivolity becomes mainstream…….

I have noticed that my favourite bartender has radically cleaned his life up. Even he is….. WTF?

fluid feline
fluid feline

I have Neptune in Scorp square my Leo Sun and … I must confess …. have been in rehab for alcohol (not so recently and it was after a horrendous marriage breakdown invlving bf etc). I agree Australian culture makes it difficult to not indulge but a nanny state is way worse. Pluto in Capricorn IMO is, as a government thing way more threatening than an individual need per say. Strangely now I am able to indulge or not, but have not been drunk since rehab; I can just have 0, 2 or 3 drinks. Transiting Pluto is opposing my… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Well done for truly rehabbing yourself. I’m sure all of us here have something in our past we’re not proud of.

davidl
davidl

Haven’t really had a drink for 30 years, an occasional tequilla or vodka straight for special celebrations, it’s not called ‘spirit’ for nothing, you take on the spirit of the potion, the alcohol gods don’t like me..

starstrokes
starstrokes

Alcoholic twin brother finally seems to have salvaged some temperance & is doing ok with Pluto in Cap…Saturn in Virgo featured denial.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I’m fascinated by twins and astrology. If you don’t mind me asking, does he have the same rising sign? Do you alternate between yourselves in hi lo astro? Why do you think he is alco and you are not?

watersprite
watersprite

I used to completely lusch it up (sun moon mercury mars saturn chiron pisces) but also since 05 (and the pitterpatter of dear little feet) have slowed right down, quit smoking completely and maybe a glass of wine a month and a few coffees, my feeling is that the planetary energies are definitely shifting and we are all being challenged to be more conscious get our shyte sorted and ‘tune in’ (McLuhan) in a different way, its all there for the taking

Netty
Netty

i have scorpio in pluto with mercury, venus, neptune, uranus and mars in capricorn, aqua saturn. i never drink or smoke.

alka
alka

I don’t drink at all and never have – I have saturn conjunct neptune in capricorn, sextile pluto and also uranus in cap

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I have Mars Neptune conjunct on the cusp of the 12th in Scorp, which should make me either a pisspot or a saint, but I rarely touch alcohol, never touch substances and don’t miss them. I wouldn’t say I’m a saint, though, more of a wowser. I wasn’t going to comment, but after what bluelibra says, it’s true — alcohol is pervasive and binge drinking is almost regarded as normal. If you don’t drink in Australia you’re practically regarded as un-Australian. But I can tell you, it is a major factor in both male and female infertility (along with a… Read more »

nat
nat

Interesting observations Uber. People are not actually too keen on helping themselves are they. Uber, I need direction on a professional matter. If you have time, could you please email me at:
astronat9@gmail.com

Nothing too time consuming I promise, just not appropriate to post it here. Thank you.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

It’s not about the penisaurus titmonster is it?

Can anyone tell I’m not getting much work done today?

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

oh shite! I meant to ask you about that. I think i saw one the other day going through Coffs.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Did it look confused?

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

just horny and unshaven, there is an endemic population in this region

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

I love champagne, Cosmopolitans and chardie. Were it not for the consequences to my figure, complexion and fear of the big C (yes, it is linked sez my doctor) i would drink every day. My sympathy is always with the bon vivants. The bonding over alcohol is better than the conversations after massage or yoga. But more people are stopping or radiclaly limiting it and they have not major probs like p overty or boredom whatever, n ot the ones i know, they are just more aware that it is just hopelessly bad for you. If you want longevity, fitness,… Read more »

Leogroover
Leogroover

so true TLS. My family has a history of alcoholism and although its not impacted on me directly its still not talked about so my kids don’t know anything about their grandfather, great uncle uncle etc. exceot they were alcos. very sad. Having jsut come out of a relationship with a pot addict iI can relate to that adn its is really sad. lovely guy but I never got to know the real him there was always a mask.

shell
shell

ha…reading these comments makes me want a drink

Ms.
Ms.

This kind of thing really annoys me. a lot. *cue high horse* I am all for people giving up substances abused or no longer needed for neptune lo riding. Hell some people just live hard, but for all the money into “awareness” advertising campaigns and hospital $ from related disease, I would rather see them approach the problems of support and emotional awareness for the people that need it in the first place. Does the idiot body funding allocation team really believe that people with serious drinking problems are going to see this add and change? who is your target… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Go Tiger! I love a Scorp on the high horse.

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

hear hear, love the rant!!

scorpiontailedtongue
scorpiontailedtongue

I agree with you- this poster will only preach to it’s choir- I doubt it will convert the addicts.

Pisces in CQ
Pisces in CQ

So agree with Ms. It’s a much bigger issue than simply naughty people indulging in alcohol as a way of feeling better. I’m more concerned with the big picture of being dictated to on how to live my life as a small person when the discourse is being promoted by someone who has no idea of what the ordinary person does every day. I mean the majority. The awareness campaigns seem to be in every area of our lives. Last year I was amazed to see a sign about every 500 metres or so between Newcastle and Gosford that said… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra

But unfortunately you can’t keep a massage practitioner on stand-by in your fridge.

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

lol…at ~$60 for a 1 hour massage, that’s 2 x half-decent bottles of wine…but you can’t share a massage with friends, nor have it with dinner…you can’t leave a half-finished massage in the fridge to finish the next day…altho a massage won’t leave you hungover, nauseous and blotchy, unable to concentrate and waste the next day feeling like crap.

then again as oscar wilde (or someone) said: i feel sorry for those who don’t drink, because when they wake up that’s as good as they’re going to feel all day”

over to The People

bluelibra
bluelibra

true up

bluelibra
bluelibra

hmmm I dunno P in CQ. All I do know is that I feel and look way better when I stop at two… Its hard though because alcohol consumption is socially accepted and alcohol is almost instantly accessible and, if you’re not fussed about quality, extremely cheap, thus the term, ‘self-medicating’ when alcohol is used to survive an emotionally fraught time perhaps. In Australia, if its a hot day: have beer or a glass or two of chilled wine, if its cold: a whisky / scotch hot toddy keeps the chills away… Celebrations, arts events, sports events are awash with… Read more »

Pisces in CQ
Pisces in CQ

neptune in scorpio by the way

scorpiontailedtongue
scorpiontailedtongue

I have Neptune in Scorpio also. I agree with you. There’s double-standards in society that pot is bad but pharm meds are acceptable and ok. To me that is doublespeak by society, and reinforced by insurance companies for profit. I still do imbibe, but in not excess anymore after my college years. I do not use chemical, pharms, or meds- I am too sensitive for it’s affects. I don’t however mind if others drink but I can no longer surround myself day in and day out with those that do not have any sense of control. Addicts vs recreational drinkers/users.… Read more »

Pisces in CQ
Pisces in CQ

Look I’m starting to wonder if we are actually living in a democracy any more. We’re constantly being shown and told in ads sponsored by various government departments of what bad bad people we are if we aren’t shining lights of evangalism without being actually religious. Autonomy and trust in what and who we are is being eroded by finger pointing of disgust at people who indulge in public. In the meantime, people are popping prescription pills like mad behind closed doors to get the same feeling of euphoria that ordinary centuries old booze and drugs have provided. So is… Read more »

cancirca
cancirca

Ok, moon conjunct neptune in 5th and I love to drink, which I do to excess: and yes, for the first time in my life I have for the past month been thinking I must cut back and in fact have been cutting back. Partly for vanity, partly for the fact that I can not currently afford wines to my taste, partly after having decided that my social anxiety is at a much lower level than ever before in my life and is no longer a reason to overconsume. But maybe it is a planetary vibe. Pluto in Cap is… Read more »

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Many of the Capricorns I know (especially males and self included) are total binge indulgers so not too sure if we can really be tarred with the abstinence brush?? But as Mystic has said before, ever Saturn-Man has his flip-side / letting off steam moments. Must admit, most of those Capricorns, like myself, have Neptune in Sag, so the impulsive / irresponsible Neptunian tendencies are likely to take over. Must admit, the Neptune in Capricorn kids (the lovers of Twilight films) seem so very very tame compared to my peers in teens and early twenties. So responsible and aware of… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Lexicorn I’m a gonna have to go with you on this one. My deceased eldest brother was a Cappo and a functioning alcoholic, it seemed odd to not actually see him sans bottle/glass of whatever. There used to be a joke about your “liver runs through it” as in mocking the movie title… My Cappo sis is extremely fond of her red wine, but I will have to say both had virtuous attitudes about the drink. As in, “surely you must” and I unfortunately, cannot imbibe at all…so my ill used restraint is saved for carbs. Typical Cancer. Oh and… Read more »

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Hey Angel, we all have our vices. Reckon even that Virgo Rising could forgive the spaghetti. Funny thing I find about Caps is that even tho they are masters of ‘control’ every one of them has to have at least one thing that controls them – restores the balance I spose. Bless ’em.

Savannah
Savannah

I worry about a world where you have to appeal to a persons vanity rather than common sense in getting a serious message across.

My parents drank, then I drank all too much too often. I like being free of it’s clutches. Experiencing many of the ill effects of this drug, glad to see it finally being treated as the dangerous substance it can be when not treated with respect. Alcohol has been pushed on society for far too long.

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

I can only do alcohol when it doesn’t take me away from my to-do list. I think my cap moon has a pretty strong hold over me. a lot of virgos I know are high-functioning alcoholics or pot-heads so i would agree that sobriety is V capricornian. like they say “there is always something to do” and booze will merely reduce one’s effectiveness, or productivity. UNLESS drinking will help e.g. work function and boozing with fun colleagues or whatever. having said that we all fall off the wagon at times, esp when my piscean side is going thru the emo-mill.… Read more »

FireTrine
FireTrine

Maybe it’s the fact in Oz there is an ageing population who want to control the youth as the ageing generation, being more in the department of the Haves, and the youth the Have Nots makes for some friction. More government control generally means the youth are feeling out of control, perhaps depressed and more likely to binge drink and glass each other (or the ageing population) in the face? Or could be just Pluto moving into Capricorn.

Sassy
Sassy

My friend is always going on about the “Bloody baby boomers”!! They grew up in economic prosperity, free education, low cost housing etc etc…he gets so fired up about it!! Hahaha he will be the one glassing Im sure..

FireTrine
FireTrine

Well they all seem to own four houses a piece where I live and they are kind of smug about their luck too, it is irritating!

Sassy
Sassy

Dammit, I know. They bought their house for like 50 000, now its worth 500 000. But I do believe the house bubble will burst, house prices cannot keep on going up.

bluelibra
bluelibra

That’s one or two drinks.. not bottles of wine btw.

bluelibra
bluelibra

hmmm – I struggle with the ‘demon drink’ its true, or maybe its the demon within me that struggles not to empty the bottle once opened. I used to be able to have a couple of glasses of wine and fly on my keyboard. Now I just fall asleep. Am working very hard to have one or two then say no. Life is better because of it and I find that for every day I don’t drink I look younger and healthier – very good motivation for this vain Libra. 🙂 I also fit into my clothes! Balance – its… Read more »

Charles
Charles

“Abstinence is the ultimate addiction.”
-Larry Flynt

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

great quote! 🙂

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Hah! It def ain’t Saturn in Virgo – I had some of my major drunk events in that period. Ugly but true. But in the last 6 months? Actually, 12 months… I’ve detoxed 3 times, have several alcohol free days (AFDs) a week, am giddy on 1 glass of wine… The recent neptunian events have had me on the couch drinking dandelion tea for a big hit. So I’m down with Pluto in Cap as the explanantion for a change I love, but which does bemuse me….? Oh, and death by grog? Gorgeous Scorp cuzzie died from this…. so that… Read more »

Charles
Charles

Yeah, I wouldn’t go with the Sat Virgo either. My most recent Virgo ex-gf is an incorrigible alcoholic. I figure she drinks because she can’t deal with the imperfections she sees around her, because she can’t fix them. She’s such a heavy drinker, I figure she’ll be dead within 3 years, if her current abusive bf doesn’t kill her first. Buddha, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Kiki
Kiki

Holy moley! The day before yesterday I decided to cut back! And yes, I have been thinking I’ll have a dry April. The thing is, realistically speaking, I’ve been hitting it a bit too hard lately – and have been having no nights off. Def a health/longevity thing (Virgo sun of course) and yes, also about control (see sun sign). I don’t like to think that I can’t just rein my vices in at will. I’ve been feeling as though I’m at their mercy of late. But the timing is strange which is why I had to comment. Normally I… Read more »

Upbeat Scorp
Upbeat Scorp

Hey Kiki, I am the same! I looooove my wine in the evening. Would rather give up all sorts of things than that.. until about a week ago.. I just sort of decided to cut back/give it up for a while. It was partly that I didn’t like how much I *needed* that glass as soon as I got home from work, and partly when I needed to put some money aside for upcoming bills, and realised this was the biggest non essential spending in my budget. “I don’t like to think that I can’t just rein my vices in… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

click on the link in mystics post x

Baristagem
Baristagem

Hmmm I started giving up on in 2007 & in 3 years + saturn return I am now down to drinking about 2 standard glasses a week! Pluto in cap is near MC…

I’ve seen too many alcoholics & binge drinkers & it’s pretty scary to see how far peeps can go, I have seen people have seizures & all sorts of horrible alcohol related stuff. Yuck!
I am kind of over it but in saying that if I was out having a good time I would probably have 3 drinks…. 😆

Neptune in Sagg

whatever
whatever

OH! I’m a front runner for the next upswing of anti temperence movements maybe, oh dear, always so out of step with the trends. I’ve recently ramped up the grog – but I seldom get madly drunk because it bores me – I hate inarticulate drunkspeak and I hate hangovers, think they’re just a waste of time. It’s been more of a more often will I have wine with the meals scenario of late. I really like the drinks that come from herbs. My best friend at high school’s father was the head of unmentionable large conglomerate and was living… Read more »

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

Ha, I’m another Neptune in Scorpio – in the 5th house!

I sometimes look at the media hand-wringing over ‘drunken hook-ups’ (people getting together for casual sex whilst on the booze) and think “Why the hell would anyone get upset about THAT? (provided all is both the sex & boozing are mutually desired & consensual, of course).

Still – would rather be tipsy than pissed, and suffer horribly from hangovers, so am very abstemious in my middle age.

vee jay
vee jay

Well, there you go, I have recently cut way back on alcohol (didn’t drink much anyway) and coffee (only 1 cup per day before I cut back!). For me it comes down to feeling better without those poisons in my system. I sleep better, feel better generally and seem to have more energy.
I have Virgo Sun, Pisces rising and Libran Moon…….
I am not going with the total abstinence thing. I do like a drink occasionally and love coffee……………………

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

I have been feeling the effects of booze really quickly lately – 2 drinks & I’m just about slurring. I haven’t gone ‘dry’ but am certainly drinking much less than I used to. It *is* a control thing I think – I don’t want to feel tired & disinhibited (unless & I’m at home in bed!).

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