The Saturn Pluto Situation

Woman in red dress waves castleSaturn Square Pluto need not be a shitstorm. Seriously. But it is definitely the time to make rad changes in the structures around you: Your beliefs, your goals & systems. Things change during this particular alignment and yes, it is associated with geopolitical turmoil.

This Saturn Square Pluto situation began last November, perfects the middle bit of its cycle on Feb 1 and completes in August. So you look back to events/emo of last November for clues if you need to. Intensity is the norm with this thing – as is a savage urge to tear down what feels moribund and build up from zero.  It has a distinct ruthless vibe to it and it is totally not the time to fuq with anyone.

So – yes to drastic reforms and realizations. No to goading tyrannical or extreme types. The maximum stress from this sort of aspect comes from clinging onto ye olde ideas or relationships that have had their day & you know it. Note the timing: There’s a Full Moon in drama-queenie Leo right before the Saturn-Pluto square is exact. So it’s theatrical too.

Any little resentments/sensations of feeling crowded et al will out themselves & in total Leonic scenary-chewing fashion. It’s not astrology for wimps & nor is it the time for sooky-goo-goo sentimental nostalgia.

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Anonymous
Anonymous
January 27, 2010 9:19 pm

Just how i feel DH80. Got into a spat with the Lusty one today but stayed strong and came out the other end after his “I’m mr Aqua and no one can touch me” rant with ” Can’t wait for the make up sex’ Hope he was rolling his eyes and realising I am not taking his 3 year old tantrum seriously. Ha!

darkhorse80
darkhorse80
January 27, 2010 3:13 pm

I love this photo! Her dress, her stance (she seems v. in control and powerful), the stormy sea lapping at her feet. V. inspirational, like a Waterhouse painting.

Baristagem
Baristagem
January 27, 2010 12:47 pm

Go RLP!! that is GREAT news!
‘Cept the summer flu bit.. that sucks, hope your feeling better soon!
Sounds like some great opportunities/adventures heading your way. 😀

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox
January 27, 2010 12:29 pm

not sure if certain ‘anxious’ rumblings be c/ sat-plut murk or courtesy of the stoopid summer flu now in week 3!! so boring, hopefully ebbing out other side 🙁 ……. got some good news tho!!! MANY surrounding me are doing SUPER well ATM, whilst mon new world order is yet to fully crystalize. then scored trip to Europe on media junket – basically pays for a trip I’d do anyway but allows Easter in Paris with besties, then quick Swiss / German jaunt (replete with tours of the Black Forrest region AND Porsche & Mercedes whooo-hoo) then ferried on to… Read more »

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 27, 2010 12:51 pm

huzzah for the media junket…hope you feel better soon rlp.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 27, 2010 3:22 pm

3 week flu? Good gravy one day was enough for me. Poor thing. Hope you get well soon and maybe thinking about the trip will be healing for you?

Drove to Paris from Germany and then on to Austria and Rome. Could not find hotel in Rome and son in law walking around in pajama bottoms….Amusing…

Oh I’m so envious but you go girl…x

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox
January 27, 2010 6:29 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

thanks ALL!! almost better – thanks for the thoughts xox 🙂

yeah sure WAAAY overdue for surprises from left field post the last coupla…. let good luck continue to flow!!

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Ms.
Ms.
January 27, 2010 11:37 pm

that is awesome. congrats x

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 27, 2010 11:56 am

Oh, and I get that Gaiacology- big time……

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 27, 2010 11:55 am

|I am confused. Drastic reforms. Radical restructuring? Is this internal or external. and in which case I am still clueless. How can you drastically reform structures without a shitstorm? Structures generally don’t re- structure easily. Fuberty. Am I supposed to sell everything I own and move to Israel? (For example) Risk everything I own on taking a risk for love? Change the order of the items on my day planner? WTF? Things I have been doing- writing about my fear of death, and some of the superstitions that I think have been in my head for no reason. Avoiding as… Read more »

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 28, 2010 12:43 am
Reply to  BlackStarAries

Okay. Just got new realization that will help me be less whiny hopefully. Very good.
Onward.

UberJup
UberJup
January 27, 2010 8:58 am

Thanks for your considered advice re the ex… I am feeling a bit better and have decided to back off. Love the french way Pegasus but of course that wasn’t an option seeing as I was NOT invited along (breathe). Yes we had the old discussion about would you like it if…and I seem to remember that that point was never aired properly – it seemed to disappear somehow and was not anwered. hmmm. but i think, FA, Pegasus and Lark, you clever girls are right – it is time to let it go for the moment and sit back… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 27, 2010 1:12 pm
Reply to  UberJup

Dahling just because you were not invited the first time doesn’t mean you shouldn’t charm the pants off the women should the opps ever arise..just saying. Not that it would be something to look forward to but there is something to that saying, keep your friends close but your enemies closer.. Listen to your intuition but first and foremost, Dignity Darling. As we share Venus in Leo, we are ABSOLUTELY territorial about any part of the kingdom even being dream-annexed. I have had situations before were I was utterly utterly calm then showed full fangs for interlopers threatening upon those… Read more »

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 27, 2010 2:09 pm
Reply to  fallen angel

I think there is a middle ground. Yes dignity is to me always a good stance, when not laughing like a loon, but about stuff like this yes, dignity is a good good thing. In my last big relationship, the marriage with the now leo ex, I trusted on our history of the past dozen or so years….utter trust. I thought I knew this man inside and out so when he mentioned having met someone to have coffee with I applied my own coffee with someone operations which was purely platonic. I can happily chat with someone anywhere and time… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 27, 2010 2:44 pm

“Yes we had the old discussion about would you like it if…and I seem to remember that that point was never aired properly – it seemed to disappear somehow and was not anwered. hmmm.” Our MOTH (Man of the Hour) daveyl, who seems to be MIA (Missing in Action) ATM, is an Aries like your guy UberJup and he said he ~has~ to be numero uno to his gal or it’s a no go…. So, just thinking that by your point going unanswered there could be a double standard going on here and being an Aries female no less, if… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 27, 2010 2:52 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

(hit the submit button by accident) but he would not be happy one little bit if it were you. I am talking strictly from an Aries in general point of view. Then again, if you act like you simply don’t give a crap what he does he might be curious as to why. I think being told to “get a grip” is rude, selfish and insensitive and totally invalidating of your concerns. Some people are masters at turning something around on you and making you seem like the one whose nuts… Just food for thought. Sorry so neg sounding but… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 27, 2010 2:55 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

Oh, so you were psychotic? Okay….makes sense. 🙂 But he still did not answer the point you made which he should own IMO.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 27, 2010 3:06 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

ps, years ago had a patient who kept asking me for lunch until one day I told him to go home and ask his wife if he could with me.

Idiot came in next visit and said “no, she does not want me to go to lunch with you”.

Hilarious

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot
January 27, 2010 9:17 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

Sweetpea, i CANNOT believe the guy actually came back and said that!!
HAHAHAHAHA… what an idiot. Not the brightest crayon in the box!

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 27, 2010 8:51 pm

Oh yes, LL, unilateral trust is well, something that needs to be examined and given on a case by case basis. I agree, there is context, frequency, status of current play in relationship to all consider. And Sweetpea spoken like a true Aries. I am so not digging this, “don’t make a big deal about it”.. but that’s like the go-to comment of most guys and is so fekking old boy it isn’t even funny. Keep sharp UberJups, and don’t be afraid to fight for wots yours with queenly dignity. Yes, that means you speak softly and bring the entire… Read more »

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 27, 2010 8:53 am

Uber jup- just as devils advocate.
“Get a grip” is a fairly mainstream aries way of saying giving me some space here- I am an independant thinker. Not neccesarily I need some privacy so I can go and explore naughty options.
I think you have to think about the best ways you usually conversate, and try that stuff, this is just a trickier subject.

UberJup
UberJup
January 27, 2010 9:15 am
Reply to  BlackStarAries

Thank you BlackStar… I am hearing you. To be completely honest his saying that could have been a reaction to my … shall we say … um … semi-psychotic outburst. Nevermind. am much calmer and in control now i have been able to rant it all out on line.

thanx all

Plum
Plum
January 27, 2010 5:59 am

I’m a little apprehensive about this…I have Saturn square Pluto natally, and Saturn is now in my 2nd conjunct my natal Pluto and Pluto is now in my 5th opposite my natal Saturn and conjunct my North Node. And Lilith. So I’m thinking this should be big! November was certainly intense – all sorts of stressful stuff going on at work, which culminated in me getting a new job, a newly lively social life (after the grim years of Saturn in Virgo) and an out-of-the-blue romantic liaison, plus being quite poorly on and off throughout. It needed huge effort and… Read more »

Lark
Lark
January 27, 2010 1:19 am

UberJup – if he said ‘get a grip’ to you when you expressed concern about something that was bothering you, then his attitude and lack of respect towards you is just as worrying as what he was doing with his ex. He should make you feel safe and secure no matter what your concerns are. Sorry to say but his defensiveness signals smoke of some kind….. Even if it was just coffee, maybe he unconsciously has conflicting feelings concerning her or is maybe just plain still attracted to her but not admitting it, even to himself. Of course this is… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra
January 26, 2010 11:43 pm

Mystic – just a couple of quick questions? How long is this saturn-pluto-situation supposed to last for, ie when can we take our flack-jackets off?, and are there any remedies to avoid oncoming storms?

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy
January 26, 2010 11:21 pm

And hey Pegs, you mentioned “Giacology-gyn-ecology, aka global angst.”
Could you just expand on that a little? 🙂

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 27, 2010 8:24 am
Reply to  scorpylizzy

Lizzy, from Gaia, i made mistake on spelling. So it’s Gaia-cology.
When women feel the Earth happenings in their bodies.

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy
January 26, 2010 11:16 pm

Pegs I missed your comment earlier 🙁 soz!

” What is that Buddhist saying? ‘What was your face before’?
People has a soul home & a heart home, not necessarly where
they were born or lived great parts of their life.”

Ohhhh yes,; I used to say, ‘I’m homesick for a place I’ve never been”. Well, now I’ve been, now I know. It IS magical, yes. I feel so unconditional about it ~shakes head~ … life’s a funny thing…

Spirit
Spirit
January 27, 2010 4:54 am
Reply to  scorpylizzy

exactly

Ms.
Ms.
January 27, 2010 9:56 am
Reply to  scorpylizzy

Is this a scorpio thing?

I am totally going through the come back don’t fit in heart beating in another country. With study things as well. spooky lizzy

shell
shell
January 27, 2010 6:23 pm
Reply to  Ms.

“the come back don’t fit in heart beating in another country” — not just a scorp thing, a general returnee thing i reckon.

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy
January 26, 2010 9:00 pm

LL, I don’t think it’s possible to travel like that and be the same when one returns. I felt like i was deliberately cutting myself adrift, getting as far away from comfort-zones as possible (other side o the planet lol) and really Testing Myself. Deep end. And to visit all those power places, and to tread the ground of my ancestors ….. the soft damp climate… the spirit of the place… layer upon layer of culture and history… i had tried to imagine what it would be like – if it would feel familiar, etc – but of course it’s… Read more »

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 26, 2010 11:43 pm
Reply to  scorpylizzy

This is part of my desire to go to Germany. I figure if at 9 I could have some weird cellular memory of Pittsworth QLD…I’ve mentioned before that I’m an adoptee and truly at 9 had this weird recognition of the place, and it’s really not a place you’d normally go yeah to, anyway when I found my bio mum I found that I was conceived in Pittsworth. To the best of my knowledge I’ve got a pretty strong German, maternal and paternal line. I’m wondering if I feel some similar recognition over there. I will try to look through… Read more »

UberJup
UberJup
January 26, 2010 7:37 pm

RE those exes again! sorry if I am sounding like a broken record but wtf. today i learn that my boyfriend had coffee with one ex last week! Just casually mentioned it as if it was no big deal. Just coffee! he said and told me to ‘get a grip’. coffee is coffee it is not anything else. really? is this so? am i being super juvenile as he has suggested? one best friends says – f**k no way! coffee is neva coffee. men do not know how to have platonic friendships. her partner (ex now) used to meet regularly… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 26, 2010 8:32 pm
Reply to  UberJup

UberJup, your BF is wot sign?? Put it this way, how would he feel if YOU happened to have coffee with an ex. Then again he did mention it, I say keep calm SO AS TO REMAIN SHARP, keep your hunting knife ready, smile, be sweet, but watch with narrowed eyes. I am from the school of thought that says, it nevah is just coffee. Not that it necessarily equates to an affair, but obviously there are questions being probed. Still I have no idea what the history is, or what the dynamic is. If I had coffee with my… Read more »

UberJup
UberJup
January 26, 2010 9:48 pm
Reply to  fallen angel

Thanks FA. you sound so wise. I am feeling better. Yes i will try to keep calm and remain sharp… just watch iwth that old knife ready (lol).

The BF is Aries/Taurus rising. She is… I don’t know for sure but I am thinking a libran. her birthday is around that time so could be scorp but i am thinking libra.

I don’t have all the details about their relationship but they were friends then lovers and now friends again ??

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 27, 2010 7:30 am
Reply to  UberJup

Eyebrow raised. Hmm. Well, as with any sign there is a Hi/Lo aspect..so I don’t want to say that as a Libran she is automatically suspect. My sister’s a Libran and she has TONS of male friends while having been married for umpteenth years. However none of them are her exes, because she wouldn’t be caught dead around an ex, considering it “undignified” (her words not mine). I think the thing is he told you about it which means he had no intention of hiding it. I say just keep calm, let the matter drop (or so he thinks), and… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 11:18 pm
Reply to  UberJup

Well, you see UberJup, this is where FrenchWomen have this rather
practical solution for exs’ or ‘other women’, they flirt with the girlfriend
& take her from him, but guess we are not all that libertine.
Re-act not. Choose your feelings. That puts you back in control if thats
what you want. And in your situ surely a better way to be?
Depends on your level of sophistication, so don’t draw the sword too soon,
light the lamp first and ask him if he would be a little unsettled if you
met a bloke for coffee & just friendship.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 27, 2010 9:15 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

well I must be part french because I have done that on a few occasions and stayed friends after they brocke up. Not intentional . But I did have a nie chat with the ex’s new gf yesterday and she is french. Ha it felt good but not diong it deliberatley I jsut wanted to make friends with her. Totally innocent No!

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 26, 2010 7:04 pm

It sounds as though you went to all sorts of places scorplizzy.

I think generally taking yourself out of your normal surrounds sort of distills some of who we are more clearly…somewhat like centrifuge.

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy
January 26, 2010 6:50 pm

Hahahaha, yeh you could say that LL. Learnt alot, not all pleasant. Illusions were smashed. Horribly painful. But then, all along we felt more like pilgrims, not tourists. And we had tribulations and trials, and enlightenments and ecstasies. I’m still processing, though I feel I understand so much more now. I’ve uncovered in myself stronger attitudes, a confidence and a clarity which will carry me on through the pivotal year coming up. I feel this year will be rare and powerful, a preparation for even grander things, and if i have the courage and the confidence, it will carry me… Read more »

scorpylizzy
scorpylizzy
January 26, 2010 5:57 pm

Hey Pegs darlin, it gets very hot here in northern nsw; 37 today. Not at all unusual these days. Most days above 30 in Summer. Winter is nice tho 🙂 Last November I was in Britain. Huge for me; first time overseas at 46, road trip with me bestie of 20yrs for a couple of months in a campervan round Britain & Ireland. Mega learning curve. Massive & fateful. The best of times, the worst of times. Loved it madly there; everything about it. I’m smitten. Planning to organise to be an exchange student to England in our Spring, if… Read more »

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 26, 2010 6:20 pm
Reply to  scorpylizzy

This is part of my mad scheming…just how much travel I can do…I’m actually starting to read some of my study material so some internal tipping point tipped…but am letting go of some schemes I thought previously brilliant and yeah internally reorganising my resources to power up for some overseas travel.

From your comments here I remember when you went scorplizzy.Smitten sounds good, exchange student sounds really good.

If this is too personal you’re welcome to go piss off LL that’s way too personal…but I’m wondering did your friendship transform as part of your journey?

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 11:05 pm
Reply to  scorpylizzy

Lizzy, you must return, it’s a truly magical place the ‘British Isles’.
I think many of us are experiencing a kinda, if i may use the term
Giacology-gyn-ecology, aka global angst.

What is that Buddhist saying? ‘What was your face before’?
People has a soul home & a heart home, not necessarly where they
were born or lived great parts of their life.

Spirit
Spirit
January 26, 2010 5:52 pm

good reminder…I must reorder the Walnut Bach Flower Essence…think I need 1,000 bottles…the Pluto-Saturn shit storm indeed.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 5:44 pm

“The Saturn Pluto Situation” reminds me of this reality show “Jersey Shores” where one guy’s name is “The Situation”…

~Honestly~

year of the fox
year of the fox
January 26, 2010 4:40 pm

so a repeat of Nov 15th huh? Hmmm…i was very emo about that time regarding a very elusive Fish i was about to just give up on. I was so emo I decided to try the Peach Blossoms Remedy. (Well all my friends kept telling me I could do better, but i had no one to “do better” with.) And oh freaking boy was that ever a mistake. Nothing but a long stream of losers. One right after another. Daily hassles of annoying text messages, emails, and social niceties I think I could’ve done without. I almost think i was… Read more »

bluelibra
bluelibra
January 26, 2010 6:28 pm

I remember Mystic warning that the Peach Blossom Remedy would attract partners – but necessarily the right ones! That scared me off!

bluelibra
bluelibra
January 26, 2010 6:30 pm
Reply to  bluelibra

that was supposed to be NOT necessarily the right ones…. !

year of the fox
year of the fox
January 27, 2010 2:31 am
Reply to  bluelibra

Yeah i thought i’d chance the quantity over quality thing. Big mistake. I thought I’d get lucky at least one. Just looking at and interacting with some of these f-tards made me glad i was single but not in a good way….more like I could feel my ovaries drying up like raisins. lol!

bluelibra
bluelibra
January 26, 2010 3:49 pm

ok – so – shall focus on phd, children, renovating kitchen and NOT on unavailable men, fire fighting men, men that give me the shits etc. Shall sit tight.

Lea
Lea
January 26, 2010 3:02 pm

I’ve learned to embrace Saturn and allow for guidance and Top Notch class A lessons vs being fearful.

I’m ready.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 3:48 pm
Reply to  Lea

Natal Saturn is square to both my Sun and Merc and by now I say to Saturn….

Boo!

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 28, 2010 10:25 am
Reply to  Sweetpea

Nit!

Baristagem
Baristagem
January 26, 2010 4:29 pm
Reply to  Lea

I’m with you Lea! ‘Top Notch class A lessons vs being fearful’ I did my Saturn return last November & while I have learnt many valuable lessons, changing my focus & getting into chiro etc. I still have one major blockage that began to show at the start of Saturn return in 2007. I have tried all sorts of things to budge it & last year I just got on with some good old fashion hard work, so far it has paid off in small ways but my determination is still fierce. Natal Saturn Virgo 6th squares Sun, Moon &… Read more »

shell
shell
January 26, 2010 4:34 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

ha, I’m so glad you posted that little inspiration BG – reminded me I need to put my chaos is okay notes on my new desk wall.

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
January 26, 2010 4:43 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

Baristagem, I always thought it was an Anais Nin quote, from a poem titled “Risk”. I could be mistaken though.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 4:52 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

I’d say that saying is very Saturnian esp. for those with the hard aspects.

I like what Seth said once about how there is discipline (Saturn) in freedom (like flowers blooming). Reminds of the Saturn opposition to Uranus we had awhile back.

Baristagem
Baristagem
January 26, 2010 5:08 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

Yes shell, it is a great little reminder when times feel tough & boy have I found inspiration from this quote!

It must be U&PV, it’s just that I recently heard it from Alicia Keys. 🙂

Sweetpea, interesting uranus connection. Had uranus transit over pisces Asc recently & mystic told me the day via consult & wow did some events unfold that day.. one was a very tragic event 🙁 & the others were just bizarre..

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
January 26, 2010 5:11 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

Alicia Keys is one positivo babe. 🙂

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 5:47 pm
Reply to  Baristagem

Oh dear, sorry to hear of the tragedy. Hope things are coming along okay now?

Uranus in my 10th square 26 Gem rising. Good gravy when will it be done with it’s revolution on my poor Gem-Gem.

That’s okay though. I started out as ~me~….then lost myself….then found myself again or some facsimile thereof…. ?

Baristagem
Baristagem
January 26, 2010 8:34 pm
Reply to  Sweetpea

Lol, ‘lost myself….then found myself again or some facsmile thereof…’
I’m feeling like that a little…ALOT!

Thanks Sweetpea, you really are sweet ain’t ya! 😉
Things are settling down, just so sad when a young life is taken so suddenly.

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
January 26, 2010 2:52 pm

Just angst. Just anxious. Don’t know if difficulties are meant to be viewed as trials to be triumphed over, or as a sign that I need to take the other fork in the road. Do. Not. Know. Would appreciate some sort of psychic guidance, even if it simply alludes to the bones of what’s to unfold. But then, don’t *I* decide that? But I have no clue, keeping in mind that things I want to do follow my bliss takes money (no surprises there), and at the same time it’s nice that I’m able to glimpse moments of comfort where… Read more »

aquaphobe
aquaphobe
January 26, 2010 3:43 pm

so get that vibe…was going to get a cosmic consult for my birthday only to find out its all booked out until end of feb…all jittery…uncertain..nervous though i dont know what about…. add the whole ‘what have i done with the last 20 years of my life” and its like a curdled soup of confusion. trying to tell myself that this is what happens when change is afoot. that nervous tension of something new sitting on the horizon. something that hasnt happened before. and its the lack of knowing what to expect. then again, my head’s been up my own… Read more »

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
January 26, 2010 4:03 pm
Reply to  aquaphobe

Ah, yes aquaphobe, I fear that’s where my head has been partially. :/
When it’s not misplaced that is. Being so concerned with the evolving is my version of head-up-bumitis. Though massive thanks for the “trying to tell myself that this is what happens when change is afoot. that nervous tension of something new sitting on the horizon” bit. I’m gonna tell myself that & sit on it.

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 26, 2010 4:16 pm

I mentioned to shell recently that I feel like lately my brain is continually shuffling big picture options. I manage to hold a conversation, but honestly there is so much zinging around in my head right now connecting and bouncing off its self. All these patterns forming… I’m not so much nervous, but I am jittery with some odd calm spots. I have had a few of my preconceptions about me dashed since November. Strangely it’s that I’m actually better at some things than I thought…and I’m trying to get my head around how I impede me, without also doing… Read more »

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
January 26, 2010 4:23 pm

Yes yes yes! Shuffling big picture options – exactly! And I also have calm moments, trying to go with the flow, to let myself be guided, then get anxious again (in btw bouts of needing to bonk the hell outta someone, hahaha!!!), then calm again. I usually need a lot of space, but man, lately ought to relocate to outer space. “I’m trying to get my head around how I impede me, without also doing my head in” – absolutely BRILL! Thanks for the opportunity for my brain to think less, you’ve put the words together just right there. Ok,… Read more »

aquaphobe
aquaphobe
January 27, 2010 11:05 am

..liking this approach…realisation that we have more ‘value’ i guess, than we thought we had….are more capable…

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 27, 2010 6:24 pm

Yeah aquaphobe it’s both freeing and humbling and a little confusing all at once.

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 28, 2010 10:24 am

I was thinking just that a few months ago…was it last Nov maybe?

I am trying to think what I got from it- to see if it might help or if it’s just subjective.
I think I decided, that I had to make the decisions like that on a case by case basis, not that there was an either or answer.

Don’t know if that helps, but I remember the feeling of psychic pressure…..

dreaming cow
dreaming cow
January 26, 2010 2:29 pm

Hi Shell,

I hear you – seem like anxious times – saturn transits in 2nd house are pretty intense – a total reordering of what value and maybe some bad money blues/hard financial times to shake everything up…..

not sure about pluto I haven’t really got a handle on him – but if it is 6th house then it would be work stuff as well – forcing you to grow somehow?

shell
shell
January 26, 2010 2:47 pm
Reply to  dreaming cow

yeh, saturn has been in my 2nd house for bloody ages, I’m well used to poverty, money stress, too much or not enough work/time blah blah. This is kind of the end of that in some regard. Soon it will go into my third and pluto will be happy in my 6th with my saturn enforced transformed routines. ‘All’ I need to do is churn out the two conference proposals by the end of this week and it is kind of sorted…. the subject area of one of them (autoethnography) is unfortunately a bit close home right now I think… Read more »

SPLAMR
SPLAMR
January 26, 2010 10:48 pm
Reply to  shell

Shell- are you an anthro?

shell
shell
January 27, 2010 6:20 pm
Reply to  SPLAMR

sociology, consumer research. but a bit obsessed with the subjectivity of interpretation/imagining processes, so autoethnography is a fun way to investigate my subject of interest.

SPLAMR
SPLAMR
January 27, 2010 6:53 pm
Reply to  shell

‘Cause I was going to say that would be one more thing in common besides certain elements of our charts.

dreaming cow
dreaming cow
January 26, 2010 2:25 pm

Well back to ‘who should I be, what career path for me, anxst’….. do i quit my job as a law academic? plan is to work as a teaching fellow – no stress of research hanging over me….so i can focus on yoga and my secret dream to open a panch karma detox centre……last november I was in an ashram in southern India, doing panch karma detox (very intense, involving cleansing with laxatives and enemas ) absolutely dreaming about coming back to kerala to train as a panch karma therapist now I am faced with my insane other life teaching… Read more »

shell
shell
January 26, 2010 2:39 pm
Reply to  dreaming cow

research on tax? no wonder you want to run away…. I’m typing this as much as reassurance to myself as I share the 5th/8th thing based on gem sun, but saturn in 5th, focusing on making creative dream a reality, with appropriate plans in place etc. pluto in 8th, transforming attitudes to shared stuff, including resources, and death/rebirth etc. Perhaps place some trust that the resources you require will come your way, backed up with certainty of teaching/tute work to secure living funds, schedule it all so you can slowly extract yourself from current job and focus on making new… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 27, 2010 2:59 pm
Reply to  shell

Thank you Shell – solid advice – slowly, slowly

my tax research is more interesting than it sounds….but true sometimes running away seems like the only sane option

shell
shell
January 26, 2010 2:23 pm

Feeling like a shit storm here, despite all the strategies I have tried to put in place to address the saturn 2nd, pluto 5th/6th cusp things. Of course they’ve not yet been in place very long. Breathe. Be patient. But actually, it feels more like pluto fucking with my sun based 8th, as a reminder of saturn/uranus buggerising about with my asc based 2nd/8th all last year. Or something. Or I am just tired, and my back aches, and I keep on having welling up anxiety things, and I’d really like to go home to bed but instead I’m forcing… Read more »

leonine librarian
leonine librarian
January 26, 2010 2:30 pm
Reply to  shell

Yeah. Except I’m in my office delaying studying for my exam. I’m pleased that I just got my marks back from my essay and again pulled 90%…does it have me slogging away to try for the trifecta…? Um nope on here. I cleared the next couple of days so I can give myself the best chance…and yet so far the internal kick in the pants to get on with it, has not yet activated. Admittedly my mind is melting in this heat a bit…but really it’s not really the demotivator. I am having a few fantasies that have Wagner soundtracks… Read more »

shell
shell
January 26, 2010 2:48 pm

you’re such a nerd LL. Congratulations!

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 3:09 pm

Go Girl, your’e lookin’ good.

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 26, 2010 2:22 pm

Oh Hi, Pegs, loving embraces to you too…how EVOLUTIONARY it all is. Organic. I trust you shall open your heart and all that is YOU will come hurtling through. But until then displacement, awkwardness, the pain of unfurling long cramped wings now differently shaped from when you last looked at them with any real intention. I have a GF who just lost her mother, all this time she said, I can’t move away because of Mum, and now that reason gone. Aside from the pain of loss which she anticipated as the martriarch was long ill, I think she is… Read more »

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 3:08 pm
Reply to  fallen angel

Right on Angel, came back to Adelaide because Mother had died here
& obtain more info as i was in the middle of pacific, then got kinda got involved
with this & that plus worked so much didn’t realise
time had passed. So your friend’s mother story zapped me!
Your heads up most appreciated.

Sweetpea, keep your disciplines going. We LOVE women who write
(and run with the wolves :-)xx

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 2:16 pm

Did not need to tempt fate further so have done my homework thus far and stuck to it…no booze, cigs or gambling since before NY. Haven’t missed them at all…

But will see what transpires or not as trans. Saturn opp. natal Mercury 10th house and Pluto sq. Mercury..

Poor Mer-Mer but doing “P-P”…..A page or a paragraph of writing each day at least to keep energies going until trans. Leo Mars in third which is sittin’ retro right now on my Uranus trine Sun turns around…

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 2:01 pm

Will be going to see my JuJu 7th day adventist minister g-friend form Baton Rouge
who wants to drink a beer & have a spliff for Oz day. Virgoan she is, maybe good maybe bad 🙂
BtW it’s Australia Day holiday in oz today. Supermarkets were selling
disposable Barbacue’s & kilos of sausages & lamb chops for the Great Australian BBCue.
Maybe that’s why i’m ansty also coz of all the lambs sacficed.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea
January 26, 2010 2:17 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

Happy Aussie Day Pegs…Have fun at your barbie…

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 1:56 pm

O big hi Angel, writing same time as me.
THAT’S a big smile from me to you & kiss kiss.
Prefering my Mystic Friends to one’s around me. Gulp.

Pegasus
Pegasus
January 26, 2010 1:53 pm

Myst, you have just described the last 2 months of my life. Have made the decision to move to a climate more suitable for my physiology & needed life style. I want day temp between 26-30 degrees & 16-22 at night. This is looking like North NSW or south QLD. Shall regard it as a snake shedding it’s skin. To be new again & nekkid & start all over again. Another persona for a starting decade. Have started the serious culling of possessions to begin the transit even tho’ a hoarder not & will not do the alms & rice… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal
January 26, 2010 3:14 pm
Reply to  Pegasus

hey peg, and how interesting that 2010 is supposed to be the year of saggis putting energy into finding somewhere they really *belong*, im sure therefore that your instincts to move in search of something more ‘you’, to find your tribe, is spot on. x

scorpiontailedtongue
scorpiontailedtongue
January 27, 2010 3:40 am
Reply to  saggigal

that’s cool I didn’t know. But, I have been seeing centaurs, Pans and satyrs everywhere) in movies, art) not on the street of course!

BlackStarAries
BlackStarAries
January 27, 2010 6:10 am

Cool!

postmodscorp
postmodscorp
January 27, 2010 11:59 am
Reply to  Pegasus

Pegs – I hear you, I second you, and I love bearing witness to your evolution!

fallen angel
fallen angel
January 26, 2010 1:43 pm

Good for you LibrawithAries. I feel like this picture is moi, pre-sending my troops to battle, watching them tighten the ships up and load artillery. So yes to the ruthlessness, I definitely feel mastering the sentiment over-ride is a feature for me, in short I may like you, but I will not have you acting like a punk around me. It also feels VERY CLEAR to me what needs to be done, in a cold and lucid sort of way, no questions asked, no bargaining, no pleading, no cutesy whining. Get it together or deal with it. Like the LibrawithAries,… Read more »

LibraButwithAriesontheRise
LibraButwithAriesontheRise
January 26, 2010 1:22 pm

“No to goading tyrannical or extreme types” This is interesting for me, because I’ve experienced this type of behaviour from a few (previously) close friends and also acquaintances of late – overt, and in some cases aggressive, attempts to make me Do Their Bidding, such as “would you do me a favour and unfriend so-and-so for me, I don’t like seeing his comments on your Facebook wall, and I figured you wouldn’t mind”, or attempts to goad me into massive arguments after I have stated it is not something I wish to discuss. My reaction has been the most interesting… Read more »

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert
January 26, 2010 11:28 pm

LwA, your friends can ‘block’ the offending person on FB, and will never see their comments again. All their own work, no need to involve anyone you.

TRaci
TRaci
January 27, 2010 12:35 am

I am libra with aries ascendant too and have lately cut so many people out that there is barely anyone left!

Feels a bit like I have a totally clean slate to work on right now, I know there needs to be change but dont yet know how or where, just that Im ready!

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