Mrs Pluto – The Asteroid Persephone

Persephone modern artKrista Huot

You know, I am sure, the Persephone myth? Persephone a.k.a. Proserpina (the Roman – think Aphrodite v.s. Venus for the difference) is innocently picking flowers one Spring day. Tempted by a narcissus, she also encounters the Hades a.k.a. Pluto and is then (depending on which version of the story you are reading) is either abducted or lured into the underworld where she winds up Queen of the Underworld.

It’s a totally complex tale with multiple themes & richness. If it resonates, you can actually fling two asteroids into your chart – Persephone (asteroid 399) and Prosperina (asteroid 26) What does their sign/house placement and any aspects mean? I don’t know!!!  I haven’t looked into them…This is going to be it.

I did found one description that had Persephone as signifying a sort of stupidity, naivety and sort of bumbling into the underworld style urges. Great. Because I have her conjunct Neptune in my tenth so it’s amazing i can even sober up long enough from my underworld bumblings to write scopes etc. Okay, lol.

Apart from being a folk tale to explain the seasons, Persephone’s story is so clearly also like that of Eve – the loss of innocence…and what’s more the desired loss of it. Eve eats the apple. Persephone eats the pomegranate. It’s also a tale of rebirth – Persephone goes into the underworld and learns all sorts of things so it’s like the story of Inanna/Ishtar’s trip into the underworld and subsequent triumphant rebirth.

Right now Persephone is at 10 Pisces & Proserpina at 28 Capricorn. Hmm. So this New Moon Eclipse on Friday will be conjunct Venus AND Prosperina…a rebirth indeed.  I am going to take a punt and say that either of these asteroids have to do with where you may seem serene & untroubled but where you have in fact faced trials…you’ve swum in underground streams…Where you’ve munched on some forbidden fruit and liked it, maybe.

In the story of Psyche (asteroid 16) –  considered an essential metaphor for women’s psych development by Carl Jung – one of Psyche’s tasks is to pop down into the underworld and collect a sample of Persephone’s fabulous beauty cream.  My god, is there a Jungian in the house??

Another thing to think about: Could/would either of these asteroids operate like a sort of Lady Pluto by transit???  Does seeing this New Moon Eclipse as being tied in with Venus AND Proserpina make you feel about it any differently?

Pre-Raphelite PersephoneProserpina Dante Gabriel Rossetti

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p

ok. Persf cnj asc and proserp cnj mc…i better use the whole fui&vine as we said it, asap, i do feel it, but i usually dnt think it works for muggle world…

LeoRise-VirgoVenus-Libran
LeoRise-VirgoVenus-Libran

This is great information just what I needed to read 🙂

John
John

Was reading about dark goddess type figures and found myself here. I love hearing your thoughts as you type! Easier to wrap your head around a concept when you have someone working from the beginning (like the reader) as opposed to working backward from the end. (if that make any sense @.@) Anyway, Proserpina and Persephone trine one another by 27′ in my chart. (11th and 8th) Which form a strange pattern with my Scorpio Asc, medusa (10th) and Artemis (6th). The largest orb is 1°27′. (Not even 1.5°) So hunter, hunted, naïveté, giving in (for which she is punished)… Read more »

nebulous virgo
nebulous virgo

how interesting… checked both asteroids in my natal chart.
persephone at 3 Aqua trines Psyche at 7 Libra and Vertex at 5 Libra.
And… Proserpina is conjunct my Virgo sun…
this resonates a lot…
I always felt I had access to some otherwordly knowledge…

Nice.
Thank you Mystic!

Stawr
Stawr

I found out the my Persephone and Hades sign are both in Gemini. Thats where my rising sign is too. I think that is kind of funny.

patricia
patricia

Enjoy all of the above threads!
Question…how does Persephone work in synastry charts?
For instance if two people have their Persephone’s exactly trine one another? Thanks.

Yummy
Yummy

does anyone know at any such that Propserpina has a husband

Scorp Scorp
Scorp Scorp

The lovely picture is so very SCORP!

Libra twins
Libra twins

Persephone 16 degrees Aries & Proserpina 24 degree Aries in the 10th in a wide conjunction (8 degrees) both opposite Psyche at 18 degrees Libra in 4th. More to explain the constant battle I have with Career and Home (Motherhood). They join Saturn and Prosperpina is conjuct my True node. Would seem to resonate in my chart; when I was diagnosed with Coeliac disease and got put on the gluten free diet, it was a new moon directly conjunct Psyche and opposite the others. Complete rebirth, especially seeing I was well on the way to dying before this diagnosis. Synchronicity… Read more »

BlackstarAries
BlackstarAries

I also read soemwhere that it was Lilith who brought her back up…..when I was researching…

Taurean love expert
Taurean love expert

D’oh… I take it back… was reading the wrong line for the aspects. All those squares are Pholus. Still no surprises to have the Persephone & Proserpina in the 10th, tho!

Taurean love expert
Taurean love expert

Mine are BOTH in Aries in the 10th, along with dear old Saturn. Persephone squares Sun, Merc (in Toro, 11th) & Neptune (Scorp, 5th). It all kinda fits my professional profile, really. Holy Moly.

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

Goddess my natal chart’s getting crowded. Persephone at 25 Aries, Lilith at 26 Aries, Moon and Circe at 27 Aries, North Node at 29 Aries, plus Proserpine at 2 Taurus. All in the fifth. I’m more of a witch and bitch and a priestess than I thought. I know about the underworld, and dark moon in Scorp always stirs up old stuff. Coincidentally, during the Scorp moon a few days ago I found out a deceased ex lover was being investigated by the National Crime Authority at the time of his death. I knew he was involved with the literal… Read more »

FireTrine
FireTrine

So spies and their lovers are truly Virgoan and Scorpionic characters! That’s pretty fascinating UV.

spirit
spirit

I have been an actual spy at one time in my life. Scorp

FireTrine
FireTrine

The only spies I knew were Gem’s and a Pisces, but it makes perfect sense to me about scorps. I have a Super Scorpo mother…, no one knows what she thinks about almost anything, she’s a mystery.

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

Firetrine, Mystic did a post about Virgoans making good spies due to their diligence, attention to detail etc.

With the man mentioned above, it was more of an intense Scorp/Pluto thing. Our composite chart was big on the eighth house and Scorp. I blame my Mars Neptune conjunct in Scorp, which has seen me tangling with gurus, gangsters or worse, artists. I am currently on indefinite sabbatical from Mars excursions.

And I have a investigator friend looking into the NCA surveillance. She has Mars in Scorp too and Persephone bang on her Aries Asc.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Yeah I totally was blown away by the Virgo’s being the spies of the zodiac!! Though it makes sense when I look at PM Rudd.

saggigal
saggigal

argh….Prosepina is conjunct my Saturn on the 4/5th house cusp. Any ideas folks??? i cant quite get my head around this one…

(Persephone swimming merrily off in my 11th house with no major aspects.)

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

Hmmm, perhaps the sober, sombre restrictions of Saturn in your early home or private life and capacity for creativity and pleasure had a sacrificial edge or were coloured by some dark Persephone style knowledge or experiences???

saggigal
saggigal

oh my god uber…that is freakishly spot on, and i never would have come to that interp on my own. yes i had really hard things happen in my early life, sombre indeed, and it set me up to be really sacrificial in the way i put other peoples needs before my own. it also prompted the numerous under-world journeys i have been on during my teens and twenties, that i would superficially call ‘depression’ but the intense insights i would get from them were profound. wow. that was a really potent little astro lesson. thanks uber (and mystic, for… Read more »

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

I get where you’re coming from saggigal. I’d never looked up the Persephone asteroid either, so it was a major ‘aha!!! holy fuq’ moment finding it part of my moon complex. (Ta Mystic xx)

I also have Saturn in the fourth, close to the fifth cusp and what a journey that’s been — as you know, fellow traveller…

Jennifer
Jennifer

I am pretty much P incarnate because my mother is a smothery uber-Demeter and I literally have to make sure she and the rare occasional boyfriends that I ever have don’t meet, because then she whines that he’s stealing me away from her. Dear lord, yes.

I have Persephone conjunct my Mercury and opposite my Pluto…and Ceres squares all of that. FIGURES, doesn’t it? It’s amazing how I literally fit into this myth.

scorpiontailedtongue
scorpiontailedtongue

My favorite ROSSETTI painting of all! Thanks for posting

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

me too! I had the poster from the Tate Gallery hanging in my home many years ago.

scorpion_tongue
scorpion_tongue

Just love it! Went to London just to go see it at The Tate.
I wish I could have taken it with me.

Jessica
Jessica

I have Persephone in exact (only 20′ apart) conjunction to my Sun (29 Libra). I only found that out last year, and it freaked me out since I was fascinated by the myth as a child.

seabird
seabird

I always loved this myth, and even more now that i have a daughter myself. That Persephone’s mother Demeter was so overcome by sadness when she lost her daughter that she could no longer use her powers to make things grow, and that still, for 6 months of the year when Persephone is above the ground, Demeter is happy and the earth is fertile, but for the other 6 months, when Persephone returnes to Hades/Pluto, Demeter is again distraught. I know now how she would feel. Strangely enough, my version of this tale came from a book of Greek myths… Read more »

year of the fox
year of the fox

This is just too spooky. I was just painting a picture of Persephone last night. Whoa! Still working on it.

But I’m under the impression that Persephone was not abducted against her will. I think she secretly wanted out of boring “Demeter-land” and this was her ticket out with Bad Boy Pluto. I think she did it on purpose. lolz.

spirit
spirit

My chart has tons of Pluto–ridiculous amounts. Persephone and I are well acquainted….we are good buddies.

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

poppykettle, LOVE your gravatar! Are you a Scorp or Virgo?

I have my Pisces moon conjunct Persephone, both trining Scorp ascendant. Not sure if this answers your question, but having Virgo sun & Scorp rising I can be self-destructive, and not necessarily after having been shafted either. Self-destruct button is there from birth I think, don’t wanna push it too often, takes a LOT to push it.

poppykettle
poppykettle

Thanks U&P 🙂
I’m Virgo Sun, and I’ve got Persephone in my first house, trining Venus & Mars ( in the 5th) and Neptune in the 9th.
What Mystic says about seeming serene when in fact you’ve faced trials definitely applies for me to my own identity… And tendancy towards excessive daydreaming)
Interesting to hear about your self-destruct thing – maybe enhanced by the scorp influence?

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

I like your Persephone in first house, smth about rebirth self….very nice methinks, just off the top of my head. Trining conjunct Venus-Mars too. (Hehehe, yep, Scorpy influence defo 🙂 , to destroy in order to rebirth.)

poppykettle
poppykettle

Interesting! I had always thought that Persephone was a Viego archtype, being the daughter (or inner child) or Kore (who I loosely remember as being an autumn figure, carrying the shaft of wheat as per the Virgo totem). Persephone was apparently ‘raped’ by Hades and dragged down into the underworld, where she had a secret garden in amongst all the fiery depths of hell. I say archetype because it supposedly represents the darker side of virgo’s – who give and nuture when all is well, but if a Virgo feels like their being shafted (either by an individual or the… Read more »

poppykettle
poppykettle

Demeter = Kore in the Persephone myth…
(please excuse my lousy spelling!)

scorpion_tongue
scorpion_tongue

I like the image of the darker side of Virgo.

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

Don’t forget Virgo is an earth sign. We do get dirty. (Taureans are dirtier though)

leonine librarian
leonine librarian

Well I just looked up my deets and I have Peresphone in Scorpio in the 6th house. I just came across some info where it may represent some area where people feel captive in their life…which apparently is suggestive that I don’t always stand up for myself in the workplace. Which is actually true, as I tend to really chose my battles. A lot of work power plays I refuse to enter into. I find pettiness very hard to deal with. I do have to be careful that people don’t think this is out of weakness. I have to watch… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Hmm. But sounds like to me that your awareness is more about managing it than just avoiding it. And that is such a huge difference.

I think sometimes even if we don’t choose to instantly do something different, the fact that our key perspectives have changed dramatically already give a hand to altering how we are. Regardless if it’s not quickly evident to anyone outside looking in.

Choice is definitely a position of power and just knowing your reasons are more enlightened for what you do aids that.

healthybodgoddess
healthybodgoddess

i did dream last week that i was eating a smaill pomegranite….i awoke remembering that although it was an unusual looking one, it’s juice was absolutely delicious! (am currently writing on the topic of sex..hmmm, dream may be related to the creativity) and the current planetary aspects seem to be inspiring my passion to share the experience and lessons learned.

Neptunia
Neptunia

Ha! Was drawn to a big, red, juicy pomegranate New Year’s Eve …had no intention of buying anything but just had to have it. Took it home and couldn’t stop looking at the darn thing on the bench. Was taking a full moon moment, felt hungry for something “tart” and cut that beautiful thing in half and sat eating it seed by seed while gazing at the moon. Since then, I have had the other half sitting in the fridge looking at me every time I open the fridge door. It has been tempting me for days to eat it… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh dear, well, got Psyche mixed up with Persephone earlier. Never the less, Persephone 2.1 degree and Pluto 2.5 Virgo on the IC.

Yes, would say Mystic that Persey very Plutonian there….

Baristagem
Baristagem

I have Persephone 18 Leo in the 5th sextile Moon & Pluto & trine Neptune. Being in the 5th goes with sexuality & how we relate to pleasure.. Not sure what that means but I guess the sextile & trine are positive! Proserpina is 19 Aries in the 1st sextile Sun, Moon & trine Neptune. So the 1st house goes with Personality & Individuality.. Not sure but again I like the feel of the sextile & trine.. 🙂 Psyche is 14 Taurus in the 2nd sextile Mercury & Conjunct Chiron. I like this one as it has to do with… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Someone please buy me a vowel, or a clue…how are you guys getting Persephone and/or Proserpina in your charts? I am insanely unable to do mine and utterly dependent on astrodienst..someone has any “persephone in your chart for dummies” instructions?

Granted I have done Persephone/Inanna/Ishtar..heck I’ve practically had my meat hook monogrammed so the rebirthing is due. Would this explain the non-stop wardrobe recalibrating since the New Year Eclipse?

Baristagem
Baristagem

FA, Just type in these numbers Persephone (asteroid 399) and Prosperina (asteroid 26) in Astro extended chart & all will be revealed…… 🙂

fallen angel
fallen angel

OH! Fanks, Barista! How revelating is that??? OF COURSE, Persephone trines my moon and is in LIBRA in my First House, whilst Proserpina trines Mas while in Scorpio in my Third House. I CAN’T even touch that as so many things happening right now is loudly resonating. For one, the Cappo has come back from the Tundra and has been swine flu’d which I didn’t know about. Thought he was just tired, so thanks to Mars and Merc Retro BOTH in Cappo, THAT resulted in moi elegantly being candid about saying perhaps he has changed his mind about er..”things” i.e.… Read more »

shell
shell

hooray!

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Happy dance!

fallen angel
fallen angel

Auuuw, thanks my lovelies. He did follow that up with a romantic comment about how being sick is making him sweat buckets, and it isn’t the most pleasant smell…how sexy is that? haha…

Poor thing. But I don’t think I’d ever been this happy to hear about swine flu.

leonine librarian
leonine librarian

YAY…I was wondering on the CAP status…poor man with swine flu, yet a catalyst for some honesty… how cool is the difference FA…YAY!!!

fallen angel
fallen angel

Eons better LL, eons. I am doing my best not to think too much about it as was caught very much by surprise. Like, WTF surprise, not “oh how nice” surprise. In an utterly nervous moment, he once told me that “your ex may possibly be handsomer or better looking but I feel pretty confident I can make you forget about him”, and you know what, I hadn’t even thought about that. My first instinctual response was, your MILES apart, absolutely no comparison, AT ALL. And it was true, I hardly spared a thought for Le Stinker. So yes, very… Read more »

shell
shell

I’ve Persephone loosely conjunct my neptune, in sagg in my 5th. and thus square my moon in pisces. oh dear Proserpina is hanging out at 1 taurus, and thus part of the lillith, eros, chiron err party, i have from 22-29 aries, in my 9th. the eclipse is loosely square this lot Psyche bravely hangs out by herself at 7 cancer in the 12th. which is perhaps a fitting place for her. oh i think circe might be there too. things in my chart don’t much like to go it alone.. not sure what that all means … potential to… Read more »

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

Ahhhh…wow…in my chart Persephone is at 2 degrees Pisces, conjunct my Moon, in 4th house.
Rebirth in……connection to feeling at home? Haven’t had that for ages.
….in connection to…hm…I’m stuck now, never mind.

scorpion_tongue
scorpion_tongue

I have Persephone in Scorpio 1 degree 1st House, trine my Moon in Pisces, 4th House.
I look forward to see what the New Moon in Eclipse will bring.

Uranian&Plutonic Virgo
Uranian&Plutonic Virgo

scorpion_tongue, my Persephone-Moon in Pisces are trine my Uranus-ascendant in Scorpio! Me too, am readying for this N.M.E.!!!

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

My Psyche is 1 deg. Aqua, 8th, and so about 5 degrees off of my Moon. They’re at the same declination however (sitting parallel) and the Psyche signature and the myth has been true for me.

This will be interesting with the eclipse on Moon and near Psyche. The eclipse is also opposite Vesta in Cancer, 2nd house, 28 deg.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Persephone at 27 degrees of Cancer in the 4th house. If she is in Pisces for the eclipse I would guess that is a good thing being compatible and all?

Proserpina tight conjunct my IC in Libra in 6th… Arghh I have run out of astrology.
Can’t squeeze blood from a stone!

shell
shell

IC is on the 4th/5th fire trine, so the Prosperina bit is a tad odd.

FireTrine
FireTrine

Thanks Shell, I meant DC in Libra!! Proserpina there probably means my social life has exploded or something… Whaddya reckon?!

shell
shell

well 6th is habits and rituals, 7th one to one rships. assuming it on the 6th side – ritualised practices can be hellish? oops.
or habits and rituals can be a way of seeking balance in hellish situations, and bringing you back into the glorious spring?
So if you’re having your baby during the eclipse – don’t forget to breathe!!!

FireTrine
FireTrine

A far better interpretation shell, I obviously have no clue re interpreting anything just yet.

Lucky breathing is involuntary, at the mo I might just forget..!

shell
shell

ah Fire Trine interpretation is easy, cause you just make it up!

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Soooo, Persephone 10 degrees Leo in the 4th, sq my Sun and Chiron. Well, my family of origin is a unique and wonderful moveable feast, and I am extremely comfortable with it, so others amazement, so yes. Proserpina 21 degrees Capricorn in my 10th, a few trines, as sq or two, and its to do with profession, calling and mother….. Am not in a profession I love, have not yet managed to est myself in the the feild that is my calling (and sometimes feel like it will never happen), and mum – well she and I have done the… Read more »

shell
shell

i hope you are recovering okay from your recent bit of unpleasantness pomoscorp. you sound a tad more chipper.

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Well I sobbed my way through his eulogy, and then it seems all the grief lifted, and I’ve been so much more centred since. Absolutely still have waves of sadness, but the ceremony of saying goodbye helps.
So yes – much more chipper!

darkhorse80
darkhorse80

Mmm, Persephone in 27 degrees Libra.
Rebirth through relationships that drag you into the Underworld? Sounds about right.

Thanks for the Rossetti pic, Mystic. I love his paintings.

Jen Frahm
Jen Frahm

I love this one. Many moons ago, my Mother was very intent on naming me Persephone. My father grew up in Prosperpine. She named the dog Psyche instead. Apparently the grandmothers wouldn’t allow a Persephone in a North Queensland family. I’d always wondered at how being ‘Seph’ would have changed my life. Go figger.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

That very interesting Jen and love how the dog ended up Psyche….

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“Seph”…sort of reminds me of a feminine name for Seth….

Exseph 🙂 ,

“Persy” would have been a cute nickname.

Better than being called “Phony” 🙂

Heck, my 9lb Cancerian daughter’s nickname was Meatball..

Things could have been worse, eh?

Jen Frahm
Jen Frahm

Yes, dog called Psyche was not lost on me. My parents also vetted our school friends based on Linda Goodman’s Sun Signs. “Yes, she might seem nice, but she’s an Aquarian, and you know what they’re like…”

I would have been an awesome Percy.

Umaria
Umaria

persy is the name of of percy jackson
have u watched the film yet

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