The Goddess Of Wisdom

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Today is the ancient feast day of Sophia aka Sapientia, the Goddess of wisdom & (say the gnostic christians) the wife of God. Later demoted to be the Holy Ghost. This is an amazingly abbreviated version, of course. Perhaps she could be the ruler of Virgo, instead of Mercury? It fits in with this.

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william
william

The last century, the twentieth. Amazing pbs documentary called The World War basically about all this genocide…. the violence seems all out of proportion or maybe people were less afraid to die? (cortez, not sanctioned by Spanish throne but actually they tried to hold him back- slaughtered at least 250,000 innocence by sword…this is so amazing to me…) And Mexico— there was another world… Nations now seen as political /economic mechanisms only… but there was magic! Gods as real as the person next to you!! (there still are!) The violence… (and the word from the spiritual is always “Peace” What… Read more »

whatever
whatever

you know it’s weird this holy ghost thing when I said I’m not a christian therefore the ghost has never been an area of interest I meant in terms of belief system but this ghost as woman thing has my interest piqued – I just can’t work out why I thought the ghost was a man and having not been to church etc. really do wonder where my assumption comes from. Are we just programmed to believe the ones “upstairs” or wherever they are are men? God how do they organise themselves? LOL I’ve read a bit about the cult… Read more »

william
william

Holy spirit as part of trinity is “indwelling” Christ and is masculine of course. I learned same thing. (now I’m learning something different- this “Sophia”) I think Mary was elevated by some church council at some point (recall Jung writing about it) but Mary became a fourth person of the trinity… guess it’s sort of complicated… the Mary thing… all that thelology and such of christian church a bit confusing but I learn from an “esoteric Catholic” concerned with knights templars and all that… it’s so interesting when you start getting into it you start learning all these different things…… Read more »

FireTrine
FireTrine

Like your beat poetry here William… Fascinating thread.

william
william

give me kerouac I have to have more kerouac
i don’t care about anything else
i care less about rumi, but kerouac
writes my dreams and nightmares

whatever
whatever

Ahh more word memory triggers and ticking of boxes I’ll check out Sri Aurobindo thank you william, steiner has always resonated with me – always like I heard the words before a long long time ago. Yes – earlier last century – mass population upsurge of visions and similar – theosophy & spiritualism – faeries and daemonic reality abound in popular culture of those times. Coinciding with change in the structure of western society and ways of living & manufacturing etc. Inner visions hard wired to manifest when we need to take care in times of great upheaval? Same kind… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

cool, one of my fave names is Sophia and it was on my list should I ever have a daughter, I am happy to see that there is such meaning and depth to it!

william
william

Sophia, “anima-mundi” or soul of the world- while God is transcendent She is immanent.. while God is light, Sophia is form- the space/time continuum… Earth is Her heart and this is Her imagining… While God saved man before, now man must save God– for He has “lost his Soul”… Sophia is the soul of God (alchemy) She is the feminine figure depicted in all relgions who comes “at the end of time” a.k.a. the future ,… She is future time– (She is coming into the Earth now at this time it is said….. ufo’s, cropcircles, her signature…) She is “the… Read more »

The Leo Socialite
The Leo Socialite

there is no reason what so ever why the pope or any of those other bishops and so on should HAVE TO BE MALE.
Also is there a goddess who specialises in stopping women eating crap (high end crap from the patisserie but still crap) in the dark moon even though they have to go to the beach and swim with MODELS in the new y ear?

year of the fox
year of the fox

If there isn’t such a goddess, you should invent one. 🙂

william
william

A Sophia Poem Our Mother, thou who art in the darkness of the underworld, May the memory of the holiness of thy name shine forth, May the breath of the awakening of thy kingdom warm the hearts of all homeless wanderers, May the resurrection of thy will enliven eternal faithfulness, even unto the depths of corporeal substance. Receive this day the living remembrance of thee from human hearts, Who implore thee to forgive the debt of forgetting thee, And are ready to fight against the temptation in the world which has led thee to existence in the darkness, That through… Read more »

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

weathergirl I am interested too that you worked with Amnesty. Have you noticed how all the countries that persecute women, seem to particularly suffer from severe calamities? A friend who researches this stuff has a theory that whenever a country brutalises women, they particularly suffer hardship – aswomen, the mother – is not respected and honoured and valued. That a country never truly improves, until their attitude to women change for the positive.

whatever
whatever

OH that brought tears to my eyes william thank you.

william
william

I wept the first time I heard this also. I sobbed and sobbed for half an hour I think. Thanx for reminding me of that-

whatever
whatever

o funny we simultaneously posted I’m talking to you down below.

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

* crucified

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

I didn’t know that’s what El Shaddai meant! Nor that ecclesiastes was devoted to Sophia. Is that in the text itself? Thanks for all the new info!

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Thanks for looking it up babe. Proverbs makes more sense. That El Shaddai meaning is crazy though.

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

Hiya weathergirl “El Shaddai” is also a Judaic name for God, translated as ” Almighty God ” Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Shaddai Due to persecution/torture etc many Christians used pagan festivals as a cover to celebrate Christian celebrations. Symbols like the fish was marked on walls etc. Sad that nut cases then persecuted pagans in latter years. I wish humans could just respect the differences in people without reverting to savagery. There are some countries in the world right now that are literally savaging Christian families. I never thought it possible in 2009 but a sweet Buddhist girl in my mother country… Read more »

whatever
whatever

Was she killed by buddhists? Are you by any chance from the “happy” country Bhutan?

Another crazy fact that blew all my lovely naieve buddhist fantasies out of the water – they’re not as peace love and mung beans as we’re led to believe. They persecute people whoa ren’t buddhist just as much as any other organised religion. They too have a strong patriarchal faction which has gradually forced women (the nuns) from their centuries old roles in the religion. I don’t agree with the occupation of Tibet but life there wasn’t so peaceful before it was occupied either.

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

Yes afraid so. No Sri Lanka. Whever there are people, there are those who are true blue and absolute nut cases in all societies, all faiths etc. In Sri Lanka (SL) many faiths quite happily lives side by side, respecting each other’s choice. The government however thought it was a great idea to put the Buddhists against the Hindu’s and used it as a tool to take the world’s and the local’s eyes off politics. Christian Tamils and Sinhalese who protected and hid Hindu’s/Buddhists were burnt alive imprisoned in their homes. Afraid whatever you are so right. I look at… Read more »

whatever
whatever

O yeah nut cases everywhere without a shadow of a doubt 😮 ) Altho it’s sad to hear of the girl you’re talking about I’m so happy to hear you’re in a place where you can think and live freely and will never be in that position – most people who have never known anything other than freedom take it for granted and don’t realise what blessings they have had bestowed upon them at birth simply because of their geographical location. Re the buddhist stuff I was so shocked when I first heard the things I heard – and you’ve… Read more »

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

Hmmm well Christians and I am one of them, believe that the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost is actually the Spirit of Jesus Christ left on earth as a helper to Christians. Jesus promised he will leave a helper to help us in life, when he went to heaven after being cricuified you see. So this is where the idea of God ” within us ” came into being, as the Holy Spirit literally lives in you when you accept Christ as your point of reference in life. So your helper is there “if” you want. The thing is often we forget… Read more »

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

hmm im with you salacious saggo – i too am a christian (a catholic in fact) and do beleive in god and the “holy spirit” being within us and can help us “IF” asked.

I am however curious of this “Sophia/Sapientia” character and thinking “her” similar to lilith – as in shoved to the side and forgotten.

PEACE matt

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

Ditto sweet lad, also Matt I never heard how your birthday party went?? Can you direct me to where you posted or just fill me in palease?

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

aww the party was AWESOME! i actually got “Party of the year” from my friends – so i think we did something right!
The house was amazing – mum fully went nuts – spider webs, candle lit, fake voodoo dolls and potions – FANTASTIC – it looked like a scene right outta hocus pocus!
the photo’s are on my facebook – i think you can see them via mystic’s profile – Matt I –

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

Hiya Matti your party sounded fab to the max. We Sagg’s sure know how to put on a fab party methinks. How blessed are you to have a Mum who pulled out all stops. Have a great break over the hols xx : >

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

yea i know mum was really cool about it!
HOLIDAYS YAY! lol summer is totally my element – u enjoy your break too!

year of the fox
year of the fox

yeah i love how she gets demoted into a gender neutral thing. Holy Ghost..blah.

whatever
whatever

WOW you have just made me aware of the fact I always just assumed the holy ghost was male. I’m not a christian so it’s not an area of interest – what a revelation.

spirit
spirit

Got into a raging argument with a snooty Priest once who insisted The Holy Spirit was male…….misinformed dolt.

whatever
whatever

I wonder how I thought that tho? It must’ve seeped in somehow. Do they specifically refer to the ghost as male? I got a bit excited when I saw this new ghost fact let me tell you!

Ms.
Ms.

MEH! as if he would know. Just because you choose to be a formal servant of the church does not mean you understand divinity.

Ms.
Ms.

No disrespect but it is not automatic rite. great post x

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