Surrealist Angel

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Salvador Dali Surrealist Angel Metal SculptureSurrealist Angel – Salvador Dali

“The Angel is that which unceasingly passes through the envelope or containers, goes from one side to the other, reworking every deadline, changing every decision, thwarting all repetition…” Luce Irigaray Angels Of Anarchy, Women & Surrealism

Sometimes I think that the Chiron-Neptune Conjunction – exact in Feb – flirted with at the moment via Jupiter connecting Chiron and then Neptune – could be just all about the intellectual acceptance of the Feminine Divine.

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twinfishrising
twinfishrising

Wow, all this came out on a post while I was busy looking into the upcoming transit of saturn over Australia’s natal Neptune… I got nothin sofar from history except that aboriginal women were used in 1982 as guinea pigs for a contraception drug and also something was going on with mining regulation and radiation exposure…

I daren’t read too much previous in this post, MM warned us about psycho-bats communicae today.

Mystic, you would love the Surrealist exhibition in Brisbane ATM.

davidl
davidl

who me ? Im all peace and mung beans , really, twully, I like the idea that love is the one true divinity, no need to give it dualistic attributes and all.

fluid feline
fluid feline

love – divinity?? Come on! Love is all about holding the mirror and projections of inner self – never thought you to be naive. Sure there is great comfort but love is the greatest change-maker too.

whatever
whatever

Speaking of projections I never mentioned it was that comfortable lol it’s about compromise – accepting (or not), adapting, forgiving, growing and changing – a work in progress. Knowing I found the one I want to do that with is the most divine thing I’ve ever experienced. I’m not sure anyone is in a position to judge another’s experience of love, it will only ever be coloured by their own experience of it. Re the duality “the one” could have been a man or a woman I was open to either possibility and frankly never considered what I have was… Read more »

whatever
whatever

AAAAH Davidl – thank you for being the constant embodiment of the martian energy in this realm via both your gender and sign. I like to honour the divine feminine by engaging in moon based rituals with my mate whom I consider to be the physical embodiment in my reality of the divine masculine, aka the horned god. We each allow the other opportunities to lead and follow and also acknowledge the need to walk the path beside each other – as one. We are both competitive spirits but for some reason there is so much love in our coupling… Read more »

Leogroover
Leogroover

Anon I’ve been on a silmilar path transiting form motherhood to indepoendent single women now the kids are less demanding of the femine nurturing of me ( teens say no more I’m the jsut taxi driver/atm/coook/cleaner) however this has feed me up to rediscover myself and find I’m till a teen trapped in an agieing body but Ok with this. have met a lovely man who feels the same we re playmates we are leo a cancer/aqua combination which has a lot of ying and yang about it and lots of freedome to. Balance is everyhting I think in all… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes Starstrokes, am with you. It’s not about the stereotypical idea of feminism and butch, macho-esque women standing up for their rights. Certainly there’s nothing wrong with that but the DF (to me personally) is an internal knowing, sensing and accepting. As I become more comfortable with it, I am more gentle, nurturing, kind with myself and others, without compromising on my inner strength. I look more girly than I have before and more feminine, I can still stand up for my rights but dont’ have to pretend to be a man to do so. And then it’s about balance… Read more »

starstrokes
starstrokes

YES! And the sex is so much better…!

Ms Motown
Ms Motown

O My effing Gawd! Is it just the joint I just smoked or it that the most A~MAY~ZING blog~post I’ve read all year???

Seabird
Seabird

No, it’s not the joint. This is an amazing post, and so bloody apt. I feel a lot of this energy at the moment, and much of what has been said above is ringing so true. I think many people are realising that a perverted paradigm of energy (such as the current take on Western capitalism and western democracy) can be a force that is directed in and for the wrong reasons, and a perverted paradigm of energy comes into being when we fail to acknowledge that we fit into a whole, and that that whole is formed of equally… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Isn’t naming divinity as male or female the same bollocks. Surely divinity has no sexual orientation ? Im sorry but feminism is lost in this paradox, has been for years, its just the other side of the same dodgy coin.

starstrokes
starstrokes

I think that feminism is different to the spirituality of the Divine Feminine, in my eyes anyway…to me DF is about acknowledging & honouring that all life is born through the womb, & if we give reverence & consciousness to that, then our connection to the sacred mystery of life is affirmed & we all know where we are at….all my artwork embodies it in some way or another & even I forget my foundations sometimes, so its not simplistic by any means…

davidl
davidl

I understand that people identify divinity with the tools they have. One of those tools is to separate feminine from masculine. Surely one of the things that distinguishes the divine from us is ‘wholeness’ , identifying the divine attributes as masculine or feminine just diverts us from the path to wholeness.
Even the concept of divinity as ‘human’ is hard enough to escape, so attributing masc or feminine traits is hardly moving forward to greater understanding. So give me a few attributes of the divine that are feminine and not masculine.

starstrokes
starstrokes

I would say that there is a divine spark in all life, human & otherwise…its not about anthropomorphism, its about recognising that there is the life of the divine masculine & the life of the divine feminine in us…maybe the intuitive understanding that the life of the divine feminine is all too easily dismissed is one of her attributes…& that the divine masculine is all too easily dismissed as well I reckon. I see it more as being about embodying the higher self…which is what greater understanding of the human condition is about?

davidl
davidl

So give me a few attributes of the divine that are feminine and not masculine.

starstrokes
starstrokes

You got womb?

davidl
davidl

a womb is not an attribute, its organic ? You got a test tube ?

starstrokes
starstrokes

sigh…is your test-tube multi-dimensional?

davidl
davidl

aawww, sorry, the sigh got me..I have no doubt that your womb is divine SS, oh and multi dimensional. Apologies for being picky. 🙂 x

Anonymous
Anonymous

dearest davidl, transiting mars is stationing on my natal merc in the 8th house…its a divine pleasure to blog widdyu…

starstrokes
starstrokes

geez, soz that was me there davidl…

saggigal
saggigal

my understanding of the divine masculine and feminine are that a) they have nothing to do with the political movement known as feminism, so can we put that to one side b) that these concepts of mascluine and feminine have *nothing* to do with our biological sexes, so no, the womb is not part of it, per se. but the highest forms of ‘the feminine’ (intuition, empathy, power to create) are part of the divine feminine. c) that the notion of divine has been divided and polarised by humans, so that with most major religions we ended up worshipping the… Read more »

davidl
davidl

as you can see from the D & M Ive been having with SS, I will keep it brief and pleasant 🙂 are you saying that intuition, empathy, power to create are feminine and not masculine ? how so ? Im putting 3 kids to bed now, so excuse me if I don’t get back to you till anon, have a great night saggigal and ss, wouldn’t it be nice if we had the divine attribute of being in many places at the same time, then I could be bedding children while sipping coffee and eating chockies with you guys… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

hey david, ahh, to be sitting at a moonlit mountain…would soothe so many of my pre-eclipse rumblings. ok, and this is not from just ‘my opinion’ but from the various spiritual traditions (not religious) ive been interested in. yes, the divine feminine is about intuition et al, not the masculine BUT this does not mean that *men* dont have this, because obviously everyone has the masculine and feminine within them. the same as true logic and wisdom being associated with the divine masculine, certainly does not mean that females dont have it! it means we must call on, and integrate… Read more »

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

SS, i totally get where you’re coming from.

“we have lived in our heads, very ambitious, creative and fun but hard hearted”

Even had a psychic tell me i have to tone down my masculine side – too strong. Working in the male dominated industry that i do one had to develop a thick skin to cope with it all. I’m only now just starting to get in touch with my feminine side and i’m in my early 40’s!

I hear ya sister 🙂

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

So true Saggigal. By priveliging male power and denigrating female power (eg. misrepresentations of Circe, Lilith et al) both masculine and feminine divinity has become devalued and distorted.

The archetypes, when studied with sensitivity, help to us to find balance within ourselves.

Ãœber Virgo
Ãœber Virgo

David, I’ve come in late, but I don’t think there’s any harm in differentiating masculine and feminine divinity. As Jung pointed out, we all possess animus and anima.

Differentiating parts of the whole doesn’t detract from the whole, it helps us to know the whole better. Just as the Tao is differentiated into yin and yang, differentiation helps us understand our parts in order to balance and integrate the whole.

This is essential whenever there is an imbalance that needs healing. Symbolically such imbalances occur in the macro politico-cultural sphere, but also within individual psyches.

Ms.
Ms.

This is a great post! Firstly I think there is a lot of confusion in general between feminism and female divinity, not all feminists hold spiritual belief -but dogma + politics can drown any sense of divinity which I think was David’s point? Secondly a lot of culutres, like our indigenous australians, separate the masculine and feminine social roles and spiritual but ultimately it all comes back to one spirit so its more an issue of poly or monotheism sometimes. The roles are broken yes and we all need to heal. I totally agree with Uber that to break down… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Pre Abraham, the goddess ruled in most societies, particularly in the middle east. One of the key stories of Abraham and the beginning of male monotheism was the male god telling him not to sacrifice his firstborn to him and to sacrifice a ram instead. previous to this firstborn males were sacrificied to the goddess, and human sacrifice to the goddess was also big. Abrahams new way had no child or human sacrifice and became dominant over the next few centuries, probably because of this difference. So although we have had a male dominated system for a while, we had… Read more »

whatever
whatever

Yeah ms motown’s side seems greener to me right now.

Ms.
Ms.

this is true but I was was referring to my own personal experiences in the part of the post you are referring too where I stated my own thing about what I am experiencing within the masculine feminine spirituality here. This is why I stated on a personal level as I did not wish to have my own experiences detract from the other points I was making. I see I have failed. I am all for balance of people but this has been my history, I am not in for greener grass.

whatever
whatever

O no MS, I thought your first and second points were well made & concise and I particularly appreciated the effort you put into sharing your personal experience of divinity. For what it’s worth I don’t think you’ve missed your mark. I agree with you about the loss of initiation etc for men and the detrimental effect it has had on our culture at large – I have long suspected it may be the reason young men suddenly leave their homes and families to join fundamentalist groups in far off lands as opposed to any kind of devout new found… Read more »

whatever
whatever

re jung, I always thought his divisions of type into masculine and feminine, rational/irrational etc went hand in hand with the belief that they were present within all of us should we wish to avail ourselves of those qualities. That he believed it was a soul splintering problem humanity had been conditioned by the duality of religion to choose good over evil as opposed to integrating and balancing all the qualities inherent within our psyches?

Aeris
Aeris

Wow, I also just paid a huge bill I considered putting off for holiday decadence. I wondered what had gotten into me and now I know!

aquaCAT
aquaCAT

I back that thought too. About time that the feminie divine becomes accepted and respected as equal to on all levels, as the masculine.

william
william

yes, go on….. and-

(and how did we feel about our father?)

aquaphobe
aquaphobe

but why has her heart been blasted out?

starstrokes
starstrokes

I’d say her heart is a gateway…

aquaphobe
aquaphobe

ooh, like your take on the chasm….glass half full 😉

Lesly
Lesly

I LOVE IT. I WANT IT. I NEED IT.
Somebody please tell me I can find some sort of miniature replica of this sculpture! I’m astounded! I’m awed! Quite frankly, I think I’ve had a bit of artgasm (hee!). That is seriously one GORGEOUS piece of metal.

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

lol so u like it then? LOL!

Lesly
Lesly

Eh, I think it’s okay.
😉

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

LOL 😀

lady"saggirising"crab
lady"saggirising"crab

I second that, wholly.

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