Astro-Marilyn

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Andy Warhol Marilyn Monroe

Does Marilyn Monroe ever go away?Β  She is my prime example of the enduring allure & mystique of Neptunians. As in, she had Neptune Rising in Leo.

And now, of course, she’s back again. This time in a home movie of her apparently smoking pot or whatever.

Neptune RULES film, glamour and the collective public consciousness. Peeps who have a prominent Neptune are v.good at tapping into that. It’s also an astro-indicator that you should lay off the hooch. There are addictive tendencies in there with the glamour & mystique. .

I have not thought of Monroe in ages but naturally i went through that teenage phase of being obsessed with her. I read all her biographies, from the reverential Gloria Steinem one to Norman Mailer’s “factoidal” work & all those things about scandals, Kennedies etc. It’s bimbonic but my knowledge of 60s politics and culture comes entirely from reading Marilyn bios.

If she had lived on, she would have been about to have her Uranus Return now!

She was Sun + Mercury in Gemini (wits!) with Neptune in Leo Rising – like i said, Moon-Jupiter in Aquarius, Mars-Uranus in Pisces and PLUTO conjunct the North Node in Kataka/12th House.Β  Pluto-North Node is powerful destiny & i don’t think what happened to her in the end was her fate. Although you could argue that the 12th house has themes of self-destruction/oblivion.Β  I think she could also have become someone else.

Hmm. This is interesting. I just realized that Princess Diana also had Pluto conjunct North Node. There is a Pluto-North Node conjunction happening later this year but they’re not so common you know.

Image: Andy Warhol

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william
william

I also went thru a period of obsession with marilyn monroe

however unlike you, I never came out of it.

omg be still poor heart..

horned virgo
horned virgo

NN conjunct pluto in libra, 7th house. I’m always attracting intense eccentric (uranus in 7th house as well) entrepreneurs who try to get me on board their creative projects. At the moment, I am doing a PhD in film studies (judgement in the arts would be a Libra thing, no? My Pallas is in Libra as well), and working on research that combines my interests (politics, contemporary art, and video artifacts).

The Empress
The Empress

Well I did just type a whole thing here abut Marilyn and Neptune as well as some questions I had but obviously now the Moon is Void it does not want me to play. So I sharn’t. πŸ™

P.S. Prowlncat and Sweetpea – you had me laughing and curious re your discussion. Will have to check it out.

pegasus
pegasus

Wish that could return after 4 hours total with my Telecommunication Company
& 6 different operators over 3 days, sorting out THEIR mistakes, a $1400 overcharge, huh?!
It makes me want to return to ‘Radio Coconut’,
toss the mobile, land line & net & use carrier pigeon.

And the background ‘wait’ music is punishing to listen to
15/20 minutes at a time on high
volume, yet the operator sounded faint…………….that certainly didn’t make my day!
End of winge.
Going to eat chocolate & read science fiction fanatsy to calmeth me.

Happy Birthday Eve to Matty, enjoy your party, you gorgeous young man you πŸ™‚

pegasus
pegasus

Dial as on old fashoned & outdated actual telephones.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

I was a telephone operator in the late seventies Pegs and used to plug the cord into the wall and say “operator”.

Totally understand. x

whatever
whatever

OMG I’ve done that – as a holiday job when I was a kid I was let loose on the switchboard of a huge company because the switch ladies took a liking to me and my candid nature one of them was a raging alcoholic and the other a psychic – it was awesome and they always had cake – you could piggy back the plugs and eavesdrop. It was like spaghetti when it got busy.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Imagine the alcoholic got the cords mixed up and took the psychic to straighten it out? πŸ™‚

whatever
whatever

The psychic was def in control – she was imperious and dressed like she came from another time maybe the victorian era but the rest of us were in the 70s – the drinker was the funny one (from a childs perspective) I found out later she was a swinger and went to orgies. LOL role models – if I ever write a script those two are in.

pegasus
pegasus

Isn’t that just loads of Jovial fun, that Sweatpea is in California & Prowls in Western Australia,
communicating. Do you know how many damn numbers you have to dial to do that?
Kinda wonderous, ain’t it?

Says she that loves long distance everything, the more distant the better πŸ˜‰

whatever
whatever

it’s totally jovial pegs – the internet is fucking awesome in many ways.

whatever
whatever

oops soz mystic & under 18s I properly swore.

whatever
whatever

is matt 18 yet?

prowlncat
prowlncat

wesagonnagetmarrieds peg

pegasus
pegasus

The similarities between Marilyn & Diana is why Elton John did ‘candle in the wind’ for
Diana’s farewell, a song above Marilyn?

Ms.
Ms.

Neptune rules film?

hmm interesting

Leo ex has neptune conjunct MC in sagg
I have venus/neptune trine MC sagg.

Ms.
Ms.

sorry my MC is aries

Sassy
Sassy

Not her actual measurements but she was exact on 70%, so you measure your waist and hip divide them together and times by 100…the closer to 70% the more attractive you are to males, apparently??

Interesting becasue it doesnt matter what size you are…Kate Moss also has the same waist to hip ratio..

My mother reads those allan pease books about men and women…and it was in there.

whatever
whatever

haha my mother used to read allan pease too. I remember reading the body language one and scrutinising her and my stepfather for weeks and whenever there was any change in the vibe (didn’t matter if it was good or bad, I was simply observing change) I’d announce to the room no matter who was in it an analysis of their body language – hilarious. They weren’t as impressed as some of the visitors. In retrospect I’m not sure I blame them.

Sassy
Sassy

Hahah whatever that is so funny….sagg or scorp by any chance??

whatever
whatever

How irritating tho. I mean they were on the road to divorce. And there I was giving them a running commentary at age 11 or something. Scorp neptune & moon there’s something in my chart that makes me a collector of facts and classifier of information – I can’t remember what it is but it was pronounced as a child and it meant the grown ups always let me sit at the table at dinner parties, they also made me put the bookshelves in alphabetical order but then I invented my own systems based on colour of spine, random things… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

I agree with you in part- from all sources she did have a smaller ribcage giving the waist to hip allure but her breast ratio is kind of debated topic, her dress maker blabbed her actual measurements and universal studio people said about her fitting regime as to appear a certain way. Not an official statement but its what I am talking about.

she was a good business woman πŸ˜‰

Sassy
Sassy

She apparently has the perfect waist to hip ratio that men find irrestible eg, child bearing hips, healthy, therefore will birth healthy strong children….

whatever
whatever

I love that it’s down to maths – do you know what the ratio is?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Synastry…. If a person has a certain synastry in facial or body features it’s considered attractive without a person consciously even knowing why… She was a size 12 as was Lucy Ball. Very healthy and attractive size to me. Don’t know the ratio thing but The Misfits was just on the other night. Great movie. Her character just gets sick, dillusioned and despondant the way they treat the horses… Double Leo Mom had something on wall about Marilyn. Some ironic thing she put up after she got divorced from Aries Dad. Wish I could remember what it said. I’ll ask… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

actually they used to pad her bra, her wardrobe woman had special measurements and inserts to make her breasts sit a certain way even in swimwear apparently

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Humph….Who would have known?

Had meant to refer to “symmetry” above, not synastry…yikes…lol

SPMALR
SPMALR

My son has Sun Mercury in Gemini and a Mars-Uranus thing going on at 22 degrees in Leo and Pisces respectively. His North Node is conjunct his Chiron and Neptune in Aquarius, even though he is a Capricorn rising.

Seems like I should sharpen my witty comebacks before he learns to speak!

SPMALR
SPMALR

He does have Jupiter conjunct his rising- so he may have a lot of luck in life, hopefully- even though Pluto also in Capricorn, but far away on Sag cusp.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Since the Asc/1st rules the physical appearance, Jupiter in first can also mean one could become rather rotund. I’ve seen it in individuals.

Watch the baby formula luv πŸ˜‰

(Just joking…how old is your son? He sounds a delight…)

SPMALR
SPMALR

His Jupiter is in the 12th, phewwwwwwwwwwww..I was getting worried as his father and grandfather are obese, but our side are all stick thin.
Just a wee bub, 17 months.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“Wee bub”….cute!

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

It would not be fair of me to ~not~ convey as well, that the planet amdist the Asc can spill either way.

Another words, if within range, it can still affect the Asc. as my Mars 25 Gem in 12th but Asc 26. Granted that’s only one degree and very close, but something to think about luv. Looks like you’re on top of it.

saggigal
saggigal

Yeah I have the north node Pluto conjunction too, but when I started doing some friends charts I noticed all the ones born in the same year (approx) as me had it too. Interesting to think my whole year at school have amazing destinies! It’s cool.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Imagine what might change it SaggiPie is if it hooks up with any personal planets like Sun, Moon, etc…

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Should have actually said what might “personalize it”…

saggigal
saggigal

Yah, definitely. X

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“There is a Pluto-North Node conjunction happening later this year but they’re not so common you know.”

When I had Trans. Pluto conjunct the NN I got married Mystic! It was opposite my Sun.

To have her Uranus return believe she would have had to be 84? Agree with what you wrote able telling someone’s age/life phase from transits Mystic…Or where the slower moving natal planets are like Uranus, Pluto….

Now to read the rest of your write up as just caught a little bit there for a sec….

Salacious Sagg
Salacious Sagg

The whole Marilyn thing makes me sad. My Dad was a great admirer and he always said ” those scoundrels used her and abused her, she actually is a sweet girl!” He came from that era and he felt she was knocked off to save face for the Kennedy clan. I think she just allowed people to bulldoze her along according to their agenda’s and lost herself en route. Just my take on it. Mystic you have got me worried as I too natally have Neptune in Scorpio 11Β°47’49 in house 12 . So what does this mean? What is… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

I thought she was knocked off because the Kennedy’s told her things in bed she shouldn’t know? I man will tell his mistress everything not his wife

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Yeah, apparently Ms., as Tiger Woods third Mistress just coming out.

Perhaps though he gave each a piece of the puzzle to his secrets but not any one, all… Therefore, they live… πŸ™‚

Ms.
Ms.

lol, the tiger woods CIA cover up -split to protect the innocent

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Heavy crap coming out of what was on a voicemail to one of his girls. Heard the convo on news tonight…

Saying to mistress to put him on her phone “in number only” no name…ASAP..

Chicks selling him out. Idiot…Got married too young I think. Other astrologers saying wife a control freak and he has a wandering eye. Guess if eye wandering at least not a “lazy eye”…lol..

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Rather, put her name as a number only so when she calls him, her name does not show up…

oh well..

Sassy
Sassy

She was very piscean to me…pills, love affairs, illusions, breath taking beauty and she played that kind of “lost little girl” side well, but she was quite a strong woman. I dont know about fate…but Diana is interesting also having that same aspect…They changed people and had a huge impact on the world..then this sudden unexpected death.

Her uranus return eh?? Mystic do you think she will pop up again on t-shirts al la Che Gevera style…??

Sassy
Sassy

Today, while madly doing christmas shopping, saw a Marilyn t-shirt in one of those girly clothes shops! Thought about this post and her uranus return….ja look out che!

starstrokes
starstrokes

Was her Venus in Gemini too? Neptune rising is pretty dreamy isn’t & can imagine that it makes identity a pretty nebulous concept…much easier in some ways to shimmy into a glamour & morph into a star.

Baristagem
Baristagem

I love sharing a sun sign with Marilyn! & she is very Leo with her famous blonde locks…I wish I had mercury in gemini, be great to be that witty!
I think she was incredibly intelligent & had loads of compassion, maybe a bit like Diana in that way. I don’t really understand what it is about the Pluto-North node connection except both their deaths are surrounded by conspiracy theories.
She surely would have been into astrology?? I wonder what her uranus return would have been like…

Gem Sun
Mercury Kataka

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Pluto and the NN is a powerful thing in general. Both Marilyn and Diana left their mark. Something about who they were (pluto, transformation) changed people and how they looked at the world. In this case, primarly women. Conspiracy often about secrets, no? Pluto very mysterious and deep…Secretive…Scorpionic.. The Nodal Axis can be about parents (Nodes about the Nodes of the Moon (female)…but sometimes can be about Dad…) But nodes also about groups of people, the public. Doc I work with is Cancer and Cancer rising but Aqua Moon and Gemini Merc. I’m so grateful we get each others humor!

Ms Motown
Ms Motown

I love Marilyn, but don’t really have anything strikingly original or compelling to say about her. Hasn’t it all already been said o’er and o’er?

I particularly love that she was a full~figured woman with heavenly rounded curves. Back then, voluptuousness was very, VER~Y sexy~! Why do we now prefer stick ~insects?

whatever
whatever

I kinda like the APB about the “created” persona of the poet being placed at the start of this mizz m – marilyn being a “creation” an all there’s a nice symmetry to it. Re the cult of personality cause I just can’t resist – in the past select peeps were able to be moulded into the idea of something if they entered into those fields it occurred in. They became the spectacle at the hands of the studios but now the internet provides the apparatus for individuals to be able to do it for themselves. Or they pay someone… Read more »

whatever
whatever

i just realised it was arthur miller? she hooked up with the one who wrote the crucible. He was a very smart man whichever miller he was.

hannah
hannah

i know

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

He sounds like a terrible experience Ms. Hope you’re keeping your chin up. I’ll keep an eye out, as far as poss given the anonymity of blogging, and I’m sure everyone else will too. I just had a dream about David Bowie last night. I remember you saying Mystic that him and Marilyn were the same in terms of them tapping into the collective conscious. I think Bowie is so bizarre to still be intriguing. The Twilight things has me interested as well. When things have such MASSIVE appeal across ages and cultural boundaries. A question to Mystic or anyone… Read more »

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

And why isn’t a Pluto/North Node conjuction common? cause the moon moves faster than any of the planets, so I thought the north node changed all the time and would therefore have aspects with almost all the planets?

Sassy
Sassy

Love changes everything!! Erotic and exotic lovers, transformation in love affairs, love affairs with study, travel…. powerful, potent emotions you feel. Change humanity, social issues…just a shot…What do you do scorp? Tell me how you channel your venus pluto??

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Thanks, thanks, thanks for the reply Sassy! I have been unemployed for ages and am really in a funk. Today is the first day in a long, long time I don’t feel excited about any future thing, so this blog came in perfect time for me. And thanks so much for answering my question. My great love/life purpose is in regards to philosphy and social issues. That is right on. I love something called Economic anthropology, which is the study of how economies are a part of a greater cultural whole. I feel it is my purpose to help create… Read more »

Sassy
Sassy

It is good that you know what you want to do still and in a field like that, it is obviously hard to get in…since a lot of people dont want social equality namely the big industries etc.. But you totally need to change something, great fighter for change and equality….(Can imagine you can get quite heaty in debates)..Hang in there scorp something will appear… Some great women had venus pluto aspects (not too sure if node as well) Maria Shriver, Hilary Clinton and Elanour Roosevelt….certain sense of power..- some bad thing yes, unrequited love, obsessions clandestine affairs.. but you… Read more »

Sassy
Sassy

Soz i do have aspects,

North node conjunct chiron in 1st house

Uranus opposite node

For me, think i need to learn how to stand on my own two feet in this life time, I struggle a lot with relationships, I want to be close then i feel smothered so I leave bah abla….I need to master relationships this lifetime i think…

prowlncat
prowlncat

All I can say about Marilyn is that she is the ultimate iconic projection … she was whatever the mass projecting on to her and thus lost her sense of identity. Will ponder this further tho..

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

I agree prowln. I always remember a quote of hers that said “I never belonged to anyone so I always knew I belonged to everyone” or words to that effect. What a tragic character! I wonder if the neptune prominance also means you you have to fight to keep a sense of self?

prowlncat
prowlncat

without some grounding earth it would be pretty hard to keep one’s feet planted with her astro. If you want to take it from the perspective of karmic astrology perhaps her incarnation was about inspiring a generation weary and jaded after war and depression. Perhaps her spirit just popped in to give us all something to keep on believing rather than to live long and prosper?

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

That’s good for everybody else, but what about for her? Not that I am saying all of her celebrity life was horrible. But maybe without any of the earth stuff she found it difficult, and ultimately impossible to learn the lessons SHE needed to learn.

prowlncat
prowlncat

I dunno but history does show seem to show that many of our heros have martyred self for a greater need or cause. But don’t get me started again on the cult of personality and why it’s all an illusion!!!! πŸ˜‰

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

I think Marilyn was a martyr to her love of pills more than any great social cause, but maybe thath’s a bit narrow.

Illusion, schmillusion. YOU could start a personality cult prowln!! I am prowln, hear me roar!

prowlncat
prowlncat

well Neptunians do tend to be drawn to mind altering substances. *chuckles* All I’m saying is that when you’re a projection of the fantasies of a nation then it’s pretty difficult to stay grounded within any kind of current reality without already being grounded in the first place. The cult of personality informs the public that we can be whatever we want to be, which is absolutely an illusion – back to that aspirational lifestyle marketing schtick I was huffing about a few threads back. This notion doesn’t take into account practicalities such as genetic inheritence, biology, circumstance, family of… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

and nobody’s yet answered my bloody Venus Rising question!!! πŸ‘Ώ

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Venus in Gem on the Asc means you can charm the pants off of anyone big time.

Gosh Prowls, with my Mars in Gem on the Asc. think we should get married? πŸ™‚

prowlncat
prowlncat

ok Sweetpea but who gets to wear the ummm …. thingamy? heh

prowlncat
prowlncat

no no I have Venus in Cancer …

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh, okay. So Venus in Cancer in the 1st? Still, if it’s within 10 degress of the Asc. you have it rising even if not in Gemini.

prowlncat
prowlncat

it’s at zero degrees. But let’s just clarify. So I’ve got Venus Cancer at 0 degrees and Gemini Ascendant. And Venus is in the first house. Which means I am Venus Rising in Gemini? Right?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

HOW many degrees is the damn Asc. Prowls??????

And then we count….twiddle de de….

Lol…

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Hope you know I’m kidding….Had a glass of wine already…

prowlncat
prowlncat

bloody crap why dinnyasaysointhefirstplacewoman! 13

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

If you are a Cancer Venus with Gemini rising this is how you would put it….

Gemini Rising with Venus in Cancer in the first house…

If Cancer Venus is within about a ten degree orb of the Asc. then it would be like this…

Gemini Rising but Venus in Cancer rising as well…

Just depends on the proximity and so if both, you will have both flavors cuz girl you are flavorful..

prowlncat
prowlncat

honey email me will ya [email protected] … I’m sure we are now officially irritating the crap out of the blog. But I would like to clarify this.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“bloody crap why dinnyasaysointhefirstplacewoman! 13” Because I flippin thought you knew if you were Gemini rising with Cancer flippin Venus you could not be flippin Venus in Gem rising…. LOLLLLLLLLLLL Okay, never mind the fuq… Since you are 13 Gem rising, 0 Degree Cancer Venus is out of orb to be rising, BUT, it is still in the first house and at what is called an Aries Point….Anything in a cardinal sign at zero degrees or within about 2.5 degrees of the Zero Aries Point in ARies, Libra, Cappy or Cancer is consider magnified for various reasons that could have… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh, too late, didn’t get your post in time. Imagine someone might get something out of the whole Venus Cancer, Gem rising debacle…

πŸ™‚

prowlncat
prowlncat

yeah but does this mean we should still get married? :p

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Definitely you loveable thang you…

whatever
whatever

I have lilith conjunct gem asc may I whip you both into submission while you gaze lovingly into each others eyes?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

πŸ™‚

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

of course we’re getting something out of it. It’s educational and hilarious! I’ve often wondered about the venus/rising myself. πŸ˜†

prowlncat
prowlncat

whatever: I’m scared of you

whatever
whatever

o I’m a pussycat prowlin purrrr

Ms.
Ms.

isn’t that the mantra of that kind of fame driven by desire? You ARE the canvas, the projection?

pegasus
pegasus

That expression would sum up Diana as well, belonging to no-one so belongs to everyone.
That’s brilliant.

prowlncat
prowlncat

I don’t get this Neptune in Leo Rising thing … like where does the Neptune bit come from? What does it all mean????? How does one figure it out? I had a look on my chart and Venus is in 1st house … so am I a Venus Rising in Gemini? If so then no wonder I’m so dodgy.

starstrokes
starstrokes

I understand it as being if there is a conjunction with the Ascendant, so for Maz here Neptune conj Asc & for you prowincat Venus conj Asc…
Haute- charming, mercurial, attractive, friendly, upbeat, flirtatious etc
Venus has power to attract so can help you be manifest all the good stuff.

prowlncat
prowlncat

thanks starstrokes! Ok well no I don’t have that Venus conj Asc … or anything conj my Asc actually. But I do have Uranus trine Asc. So would that make me Uranus Rising in Gemini?? Makes way more sense than Venus. Or does it only work on conjunctions?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Uranus would just be “trine” Asc. Rising means it must be within orb of the Asc. conjunct wise.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Is Venus within about 10 degrees of the Asc? If so, I’d say you have Venus rising in Gemini. Even in the first house though is quite predominate in a person….

Ms Motown
Ms Motown

Not on topic, sorry guys…. But I feel compelled to put out a warning to the AstroCoven about a certain ex AKA, the “Virgo Poet” that I used to refer to before September 5th this year ~when we broke up. He is a very sneaky, deceptive, dishonest individual and I don’t want any other of the AstroCoven to be taken in by him. He is probably already lurking here cos he knew I was a frequent poster to this Blog. He goes under the name of “Arrow’s Eye” in MySpace and his initials are IGG. Do not be taken in… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

hey Ms. sorry to hear that there was such a clash between the apparent persona and the actual person. it’s never nice to be on the receiving end of that realisation…and hard to come to grips with s’times too

hope ur going fab.
x