Checking In With Saturn-Pluto

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So, how are well doing with the Saturn-Pluto Square?  I am a bit bitched up & ruthless but the emo insights are fantastic, no?  I was about to wonder if this is how Saturn-Pluto style peeps feel ALL the time when i realised i have (natally) Saturn opposite Pluto. I mean, i knew that but wasn’t really thinking about it. So here is an idea – check out your natal relationship between Saturn and Pluto.  For a good time if you are an Astro-Fiend.

You get the gist? Even if the current Saturn-Pluto Square is not aspecting your natal Saturn/Pluto, it will still stir up that dynamic if you have it going on anyway. Mid-60s, 1973/1974, 82/83, 93/94 born peeps could find this thing muck-raking a whole lifetime of personal power issues. Re-read my Saturn-Pluto rant below…Please. Short version – Saturn needs a strategy and Pluto has to transform the energy…

Hands up who is grokking the tougher (okay, resilient) vibe of Pluto in Cap, now that Saturn is so helpfully accentuating the energy?

What have you learned/realised strongly in the last fortnight?  What resolution has come out of it? How are you stronger? Lets have an online encounter group and hold virtual hands – yes?

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Scorporation, Inc.

Just reading this for the first time today. Oh my, how so much changes & stays the same! It has not been the Mercury on Mercury-Uranus moment that I expected, but I expected that much 😉

Nov 2009… So much has changed since then. So much has changed since just yesterday. And everything is the same as it ever was in all the right ways. Saturn-Pluto bliss.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Awesome to see how that’s working for you Truly nice to see a success story (slowly=saturn) in the making – it may be because your saturn and pluto are being conjuncted and squared at the same time by transiting saturn and pluto respectively. Makes sense? No? – Go to http://www.astro.com – mystic has a link to it on the side bar and put your info into it and check out your forecast – Your saturn and pluto will also be being triggered in some way by uranus (sudden changes, electric vibes, coyote shenanigans – see also mystics link to the… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

OMG so the epiphany of the day for me is to check re the BIG life goals what it was that motivated me to initiate them in the first place. If the catalyst no longer motivates you maybe ditch the goal. It’s the working out what the catalyst was that’s the thing. Career goals especially – if your childhood left you shell-shocked did you choose a high pressure career that replicates the siege mentality so you’re in your comfort zone ad infinitum even though it’s not that comfortable? This crazy nothing is quite right time is fuqing awesome if it… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

EUREKA That whole above thing came in a dream and like a gentle voice talking to me – the dreams this week have been MENTAL. But that makes total sense it just clicked – the 4th house is opposite the tenth. Saturns transiting my 4th right now but my natal saturn is in the tenth the pluto square has ricocheted into the tenth. I love this crazy geometry.

Anonymous
Anonymous

when does shit start feeling exalted?

Unpredictable pisces
Unpredictable pisces

erm, once it’s hit the fan?? hehehe

Anonymous
Anonymous

the perfect answer !

shell
shell

ah, so, with a bottle ish of wine and a fancy dinner under my belt (jealous prowln and sweet pea?) I’m ready to extoll on this topic. I attempted to weigh in this arvo, but the (saturn) voices sent me off to deal with more important things, food, work etc. Saturn end 2nd, pluto end 5th, (and nicely, suns sign based saturn into 5th, pluto into 8th, where uranus according to ascendent is currently dwelling) Because I’m pinoted up, and have an tendency to waffle, I’m going to attempt to emanate rockstar’s point form (so not me). – not feeling… Read more »

virgolicious
virgolicious

I want to make a list like RLP but Saturn says get in the shower and go to work.

I am relishing the thought of a weekend sans social engagements and a lovely long list of decluttering tasks to keep me on track.

and giving away the booze and cigs about 3 weeks ago (with no looking back) has me phoenixing like a demon! I am ROCKING these transits! (but yes, peeps are being very difficult this week – my team keep looking around to each other and saying ‘what’s going on?!’).

crabwoman
crabwoman

oh congrats on the booze AND the ciggies! So hard but so worth it!!!!

virgolicious
virgolicious

thanks! yes, but easier when you do both and don’t have to uncouple one from the other. I did have a hella headache for about a week but now I am pure(ish) of body, if not of mind. yet.

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox

“What have you learned/realised strongly in the last fortnight? What resolution has come out of it? How are you stronger? Lets have an online encounter group and hold virtual hands – yes?” * trend-heads have used by dates that shrink as one gets older * conversely – solid blokes don’t!! * wearing high boots for 1-2 days on end (exact hour count omitted) CAN cause foot RSI – carry thongs * sleep more (& still have as much fun) * fixing one’s Feng’s as simple as moving a bed * week of friends-in-need shows how friends indeedy are G.O.L.D –… Read more »

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox

OMG *light bulb of life flashes*

***** learned when my Ex turns up to surf contest on the beach HE grew up on & I didn’t – 3 hours late for his (missed) heat – & not dressed for surfing = that I AM correct – a ‘waterboy out of the water is NOT on track’ – AND he stood in the shadows – & my life continued unbothered – proving am completely SO over him. YAY!!

shell
shell

good to see you back here too rockstar, you’ve been living it up then?

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox

” LIBRA – Atilla the Socialite” – reference Mystic’s Mars Confidential……… xox

p.s fish riser – get thine act together……

Leo with aqua rising, Cat who can get wet
Leo with aqua rising, Cat who can get wet

Is very weird as I had all kinds of premonitions of doom with this Saturn – Pluto square. I have Saturn – Pluto square natally, and not only that but a Grand Cross (Saturn, Pluto, Venus, Persephone) at 0 degrees of the Cardinal signs (or very last half a degree of the sign before). So this Saturn in Libra is square my Saturn at 29.5 Gemini, and this Pluto in Cap is square my Pluto at 0 Libra. Read Kim Falconer on the “Aries Point” (0 degrees in cardinal signs) and got all kinds of delusions of grandeur for what… Read more »

nebulous virgo
nebulous virgo

natal Saturn/Pluto conjunction in Libra – 1982. they are also conjunct Mercury, all in the 7th House – opposing my Aries Rising (6 degrees orb)… It is a tough one sometimes, especially in relationships, of course. But during the last year I somehow activated the strength that those bodies conjoint potentially have (this is how I feel). I have become a true warrior (in a good sense) and since about half a year now I am using the word “strategic” more often than ever before. I mean in thoughts, making plans, visualising goals and then consciously start to work. work… Read more »

Jac
Jac

Dearest Mystic, I so could use some of your insight right now. I too, have Saturn square Pluto natally, yet I am not sure if I am working this transit as gracefuly as you are. This time ’96 was huge for me…definately rising from the ashes for sure, but it almost killed me – literally – so for one, the way forward seemed much clearer…and even if today I WAS sure exactly WHAT to change I don’t know if I could endure another passage like ’96.

Savannah
Savannah

I meant it’s been good 🙂

Savannah
Savannah

Tonnes of stuff, too personal to blab about here. The rotting floor boards & shedding skin analogy Mystic you have been using SOOO fit so I’ve been doing that. Plans that I’d laid before, well parts fell to bits spectacularly & others had good foundation. I’ve made some wiser more informed decisions that are turning out waaaay better than I had going on before. I’ve been ruthless with myself in my own habits, beliefs, thoughts, etc. It’s been could because the false & pitiful is gone. Oh yeah just an bloody exercising the hell out of myself, lol, I never… Read more »

leonine lovely
leonine lovely

For me it’s been about realising that I tell myself lots of bullshit about who I really am. I’m seeing myself a little clearer and the clarity frightens me. Having said that, I can see that it’s all good. If I can’t see where I’m deluding myself, then how can I work with it and learn from it? So, Saturn/Pluto hurts, it’s raising lots of issues that cause me heaps of shame, but ultimately none of this is going to kill me. And I’ve come to a realisation that I’m never going to be sorted, and that’s ok.

Leonine Librarian
Leonine Librarian

So yeah opposing forces doing their thing natally…and continuing to have added insights…but it’s sort of culminating not mindblowing…maybe I’ve been surfing the wave of change so long now I’m maintaining my balance a little better. One realisation that I’ve revisited is just how much I scare the crap out of my Virgo Dad…and that he almost can’t help himself trying to contain me…as that just seems the most safe action for him at any given moment. Also I’ve realised that he comes out with his zingers when I feel we are sitting comfortably…just enjoying some rapport and then bam,… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

check the position of his lilith and the new one I’ve discovered is interesting in a familial sense his damocles and how that works synastry wise – a possible total mindfuq awaits you re his timing.

karma 222
karma 222

Hi Guys, Am new to all of this and I must say am so impressed! My mum was my astrologer all my life, and best friend, I lost her this year and I guess am still grieving and coming to terms with so much without her here. Anyway… usually when all of this planet stuff is all going on, and me being soooooo sensitive to it all and also a Libran, mum always had the explanation for it and it made me feel calm and relaxed. I was wondering why I’ve had all these, what I thought anyway, close friendships… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Sorry for your loss karma, I lost my Mum in December last year so I feel your pain.. isn’t this blog a wonderful place to be?

pegasus
pegasus

Looks like we are all here for each other, that is some blessing huh?

Damons22/jan
Damons22/jan

lets get together and have a HUGE love in… on Mystics new lawn or at nats 40 acres …….

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

I must admit that I’ve been a bit off the astro lately, as in not following as precisely as I usually do, but I definitely am feeling a number of things and totally have all kinds of Saturn crap happening in my life -serious and unexpectedly broken car, no money to pay for said car, usual power trips from evil bitch boss, etc. But the upside is that I am feeling very Zen-ruthless, am doing *awesome* with keeping my boundaries strong AND not panicking. I’m very impressed with me lately. Also seem to be making some kind of progress in… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

nice damons – i rule i eternally is my take on that – and single just means you’re closer to an adventure cos there’s no-one to check with before you leave x

Tamberlaine
Tamberlaine

Oh such wonderful stuff is being written here ! I’m sorry I can’t comment on it all but Plaqua I totally get your groove. It’s mine too. Realising after 24 YEARS that I haven’t forgiven him for abandoning me and our child, and also that it had only imprisoned me…So huge.
And Alchemist, I would always encourage you to reach out and not tough it out. I have found that people love that you are real, can crack, because it affirms their vulnerabilities too. It is an odd thing that in being seen as weak you really become strong.

Anonymous
Anonymous

totally right – I’m astounded by the fact you can have a yarn with someone and they’ll just do something about it for you – so used to fixing stuff myself – being self-sufficient and motivated can be a barrier to things I have learned in the last few weeks.

Anonymous
Anonymous

o and realise that wasn’t a comment directed to me but your words resonated with my lessons learned – thanks.

year of the fox
year of the fox

I’ve been hit with a sudden Fall cleaning bug. I’ve been throwing out crap that’s burdened me for years and feng shui-ing the crap out of everything. I’m not sure why since Saturn isn’t in the 4th house for me. Oh well, I’m just going with it.

Scorpalicious robot
Scorpalicious robot

It’s the dark of the moon! New moon next week. Myst always advises to declutter before new moon.

year of the fox
year of the fox

oh goody. I was hoping there would be an explanation for it. 🙁 The new moon is supposed to be in my 12th house, which in the past few years has been a rather annoying experience. It would be awesome if it didn’t suck this year.

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

i won’t suck. It’s the Phoenix New Moon. It’s going to be awesome!! 🙂

Damons22/jan
Damons22/jan

I have learnt that im FREE! that im SO damn BLESSED and my life is SO WONDERFUL ! and everything is as it should BE… My biggest dilemma at the mo is , do i go to Tahiti and hang out for a couple of months or do i stay here and chill at my beach house and watch the world go by with a full belly and a lovely roof over my head with friends and family who love me nearby. Sure im single but SO GRATEFUL that ive had the most AMAZING tho short lived experience with a… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

That is beautiful Damons.

I hold your hand luv….

taurean alchemist
taurean alchemist

oh, ps. I have a Yod to Saturn at 0 Taurus in the 11th, with Pluto/Jupiter/Uranus sextiling Neptune and both inconjunct Saturn… this feels like I’m too serious, and set myself apart from others for fear of, dunno, being too serious?

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

That Pluto/Jupiter/Uranus …How the hell do you synthasize Pluto and Uranus for example? I can perhaps do Neptune/Ur as worked that out with my Moon… Where is your Moon in all of this as if has to do with feelings, what is going on there? Does your progressed chart hold a clue? Pluto and Uranus..Okay, to get to the outer planet, Pluto,transformation, something perhaps needs to go on with Uranus first. Think Uranus characterisitics, Then, Pluto characterisitics..Jupiter just amplifies them all? And Saturn, structure….Something there needs to be broken down, but when it has, new structures built out of Plutonian… Read more »

taurean alchemist
taurean alchemist

I seriously (lol) love you guys… am in classes for the next four days (its intense!) but sSO appreciate all your support xxx

Unpredictable pisces
Unpredictable pisces

babe, hang out with capricorns or find an earnest water sign, maybe another taurus, there’s a time and place for everything including seriousness . so glad to hear you have made wonderful if not bittersweet personal breakthroughs.
mwa we love you.

taurean alchemist
taurean alchemist

I blogged this yesterday, for anyone interested… everything feels slightly unsatisfactory and I’m realising how much I’ve been prepared to settled for less all this time – that my unconscious choices have got me to where I am today… now I just don’t feel I can accept what is offered. My shrink keeps telling me I haven’t allowed myself to wish… I was confronted and spent a week crying on and off (grieving) when I was asked imagine what it feels like to be in the kind of relationship I REALLY want. I couldn’t imagine what it feels like! I’ve… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh TA,

Vulnerability is the key I think. Those walls will have to fall down. Only saying this because I know as thought I could handle certain things only to find out I had feelings under there! And they say Cappy Moon is cold. Far from it but do so like to be strong…. But! key to my healing has been vulnerabilty.

You’re on the right track hon…Yes, by all means let them know….Dammit! xo

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

TA congrats on your break through. What a big one. To get what you want I think you really have to admit it to yourself right so speed towards that beautiful loving, supportive partner/relationship. Of course you can have it, and deserve it. I’m like you. I’ve had to learn to let my poker face down and be vulnerable like Sweetpea says. I don’t know what the astro stuff means but maybe it is of interest/encouragement for you to know that people always reacted more surprisingly and favourably than I imagined. They were never thinking what I thought they were… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Oh TA darling, everything you’ve written is SOOOO resonating with me. My dear little Alchemist, I shall keep you company on this boat because like you, even the “wishing” bit had been a challenge. For me, a lot of family history, early exposure to mass infidelity, having the double standard ground into me, my dad actually having a first wife in China, the first boy who ever cared for me ALREADY had a GF and had lied to me a la Scorp, on and on..you get the picture, all this has played a hand in blunting that ability to say,… Read more »

shell
shell

FA, I’ve been reading your posts re le scorp since you came back, as it were, and not commented. But just wanted to let you know that you seriously vibe as a well sorted out woman with a bucket load of compassion to offer.
You are clearly well above that man.
You go girl!

fallen angel
fallen angel

You mean AFTER he nearly drove me Insane into Pluto, right? haha… You know the problem is even if I KNOW I’m above him, I’m not in complete control of how quickly I can get OVER him. Sigh..

The Aversion Therapy is good though. Poignant, heart-rending, but necessary. Thanks, Shell, I would have never made it without my amazing astro fiends on this blog so part of my sanity I truly have to credit to you all. 🙂

shell
shell

yes, well, recognising emotions and then being able to do something about them feels like lifetimes apart sometimes. Making the step from one to the other is the challenge I guess.
I’m struggling to send a simple text saying I can’t be arsed with what feels like disrespect from you to someone who I really don’t want to have to let go. but probably should. bugger.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Been there shell. Unfortunate.

shell
shell

Thanks sweetpea.
Decided to chuck a big bucket of non-committal water on it and go for a swim. I don’t need to challenge his behaviour to challenge my response to it. He can wait.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Good for you, Shell. Sometimes Time is the only answer.

shell
shell

TA , sorry to hear about your rough time. But it’s nice to see you back here.

piaqua
piaqua

I have learned the power of forgiveness. I have learned that he/she who anger you, owns you. I have learned that I don’t have to like someone to forgive them. I have learned that without forgiveness I will live in the past. I have learned that without forgiveness for others, there will be no merciful moving on for me. I have learned that every prisoner needs a jailer.

Anonymous
Anonymous

My natal saturn pluto and neptune are semi sextile which means in life you have to make a conscious effort to have a positive outlook. Ever since I was aware of consciousness that is what I was naturally inclined to do so I think that is helping with this square. Nothings really working how you would expect at the moment – the transiting saturn is conjunct my natal uranus and sun in the 4th house and the squared pluto is transiting my 7th house – have made sudden changes to contractual situations with work (natal saturn in the 10th) and… Read more »

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

“Saturn trine Pluto one of the most profound of aspects”

“The Astrologer’s Handbook”, Sakoian and Acker

Best if the chart shows “occult leanings” as native can have a vast comprehension of the nature of life and of the universe”

When you have that Daveyl (as I do too), nothing can touch ya babe…

On a more realistic note just a tad, not feeling a big deal with current square. The last couple of years have been quite enough thank you. Mojo been back full force since Mars went into Leo, I think.

Baristagem
Baristagem

I must say I have had a terrifying year of facing all of my fears & I have made some tremendous progress at the same time. I know I could never have done it without the fear, great motivator! Lol. I think my Saturn is ‘inconjunction’ with Pluto as I am not too sure of the name of the symbol. Saturn resides in my 6th house of Virgo & Pluto in my 7th/8th house of Libra & DC. What has been most interesting about the last few weeks is the calm I have felt during my fear facing. I have… Read more »

Lea Kennedy
Lea Kennedy

Same here Baristagem… moving along at a fine pace. The last year of facing fears has lowered my reaction level to ALL things. I’m just coasting at this point, feeling like the hardest work has been accomplished. Actually, I’m finding that life seems to have a rhythm all it’s own, that I have somehow missed out on observing and enjoying by being wrapped up in fear.

Just another day here at Transformation Central.

davidl
davidl

I have saturn trine pluto and mars sextiling saturn, cool. That helps a little ?

Unpredictable pisces
Unpredictable pisces

i reckon maybe that might help as you are already familiar with how the planets work together in more supportive/productive ways? less ongoing battles?

Stress Princess
Stress Princess

Ahhh! Everyone seems to be having break-thru moments (yay for youse!) but I’m just hitting brick walls with horrid PMS-like mood swings and restless, violent energy that I can’t exercise out because I’m just too tired, oddly enough. I always make a Xmas tree (well, a weird decorative thing that I interpret to be an Xmas tree that the pressies go under) out of found objects. It’s my end of year art project. Love the challenge, love the spontaneous randomness of it all (me, a Cap being random and spontaneous – how liberating!) but last night as I was putting… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

NATAL SATURN: Thanks. It’s making me a little nervous all the 4th house stuff, I want to build a home but my gypsy sagg moon and ceres in aries 9th house conjunct MC makes the motion of moving feel more like home than a home itself.

Thats great news on the dream job!!! esp after such a run.

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

Thank you for your kind response Ms.

Whatever the manifestation is for you, it is my layperson’s understanding, with Saturn going over the IC it’s a good time to focus on whatever “home” is for you but from my experience of this transit, you ain’t going anywhere, gypsy moon. You’ll be staying put during that transit, I believe.

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

I am questioning a lot of things…feeling much less willing to respond to what others want from me, much more “this is me…deal with it”. Some of it involves working relationships, which may turn out to be a blessing, or a curse, depending on how the cards fall in the end.

Lea Kennedy
Lea Kennedy

I just let my Insurance agent have it….. and hard! He stepped over the line, but clearly wasn’t expecting me to be standing there when he did.
My days of allowing people to manipulate me are done!

I feel like I’m taking “Transformation” finals this week…
and I intend on passing with flying colors.

saggigal
saggigal

ps mystic can i just reiterate that i cant WAIT for your new charts options page?? i so seriously am looking for your take on the latest devs.

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

My Sun Trines Saturn and Squares Pluto (and they semi-sextile eachother… cute little threeway they’ve got going). I love this Saturn-Pluto energy. It is so completely what I need at the moment. A kick in the bum, a get fuqing focused and a STICK TO YOUR GUNS vibe. It’s just bliss for moi. And yes, there have been some MAJOR culls in the last few months, but in particular, they have been revisited in the last week and I couldn’t feel better about where I am at now with these people and things. Hey Mystic, I hope your sniffle has… Read more »

starstrokes
starstrokes

I was just pondering the natal dynamic, so thanks Mystic for the topic…I feel like I have toughened up exponentially in the last few weeks…that could be the Pluto influence as it draws closer to my Asc I guess…tho what I was curious about was that I’m of the Pluto/Uranus in Virgo conjunct generation & so changing up is something I totally enjoy. Sure, I’ve been working really hard on what is important to me & maybe thats part of the breakthrough- I haven’t always felt so deserving. There is a definite “frisson” in all communications these days…everyone seems so… Read more »

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

PS Saturn in Leo Semi-squares my Pluto in Libra. Mean anything?

And right now Pluto is trining my saturn, and Saturn is doing nothing to my Pluto.

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

In the past few weeks I have not REALISED I am a more socially powerful being, I just AM more powerful. Pluto always feels really kind to me, passive attracts things like Jupiter is supposed to. I have it in Libra conjuct Venus and True Node so maybe that’s why? For example. I have been LONGING for this man all year. He dismissed me after six months of on-again-off-again with “There’s just something missing for me”. And I have been feeling him around and as of yesterday saw him driveby my house for the second time in the past few… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

wow, i like your story scorpinthesky.
can you share the spell????

my pluto is conjunct my north node too, its a powerful one for me as well. x

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

I think the witch tailor made the spell for me so it prob wouldn’t do any good but her name is Stacey Demarco and is easily locatable on internet. I hope thats OK Mystic to put her name here.

davidl
davidl

careful witchy poos , casting ‘spells’ is as easy as saying the words, spellin it out…..anyone charging for one is a touch questionable, there are always consequences, in the wavespell energy always comes back.

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

hmm, dunno about Stacey Demarco. I saw her on that “Australia’s search for the best psychic” or something and there was something about her that was really off putting… a bit contrived perhaps. I don’t believe in love spells either. Why would you want someone that doesn’t come to you of their own free will? So you’re going to dismiss HIM if he doesn’t give you what you want. Don’t you think that’s a bit selfish. If he dismissed you, then he’s not that into you. Just face it. Sorry to sound so harsh but you can’t go demanding that… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

yah, i more was just more very curious as to what kind of spell could do so much? i dont dabble myself (free will and all that) and believe that you manifest constantly through how you live your life.

“this or something better for the highest good for all concerned’ is a good way to go, esp. with would-be lovers.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Scorpalicious, reading your comment placed the funniest visual in my head..i.e. longing for someone et al. In my case, Le Scorp..as it is now approaching the 3rd week of parting, I am being thoroughly besieged by memories a la demonic flogging, in a few days I should be speaking in tongues. So had a picture in my head suddenly of seeing him waiting on the door step as I come up the stairs, his piercing blue eyes glossy with barely cinched tears, his familiar face, those hands, that voice, all that emotion.. And me, going…FUUUUUUQQQ, dropping my things, turning round… Read more »

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

ScorpintheSky, it’s all crystal clear to me now – completely different to my first impressions of your comment. That is so awesome that you feel empowered and have the inner strength to deal with whatever arises. And of course it’s not selfish to know what you want – it means you know your boundaries. It’s only been a few years now that i’ve discovered my own and i patrol them like Fort Knox! Go get ’em tiger! FA, i’ve done my fair share of longing. I wasted 4 years of my life longing and wishing and hoping that my Virgo… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Aaaaw, that means a LOT coming from you Scorpalicious as I know your vote of confidence ain’t given lightly! Thanks for that and for sharing about your Virgo Ex, I think the times of pining we have for people is actually a covert investment, a sort of payment as we barter back our self valuing. I don’t want to say it’s about self esteem because I truly don’t think it is, one can feel well fine enough about one’s self and still fall in love with a very bad man. To me that whole self-esteem argument is a whole other… Read more »

Unpredictable pisces
Unpredictable pisces

FA you not soiled. you are a beautiful diamond. I like use of “le toilet” lol.

fallen angel
fallen angel

Thanks, UP how lovely for you to say! Yes, I call him The Toilet but Scorpalicious gets credit for Frenchifying it haha

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Dudes! Dudes! Dudes! Sorry I didn’t explain myself properly. I will try to explain myself a little more clearly. I have tried spells before on my own and I found Stacey Demarcos free advice on her website and tried her guidelines a few times. I liked them so I thought I would benefit from meeting her in person. She’s really clear that she only helps people performs spells for themselves. Like you both scorp robot and saggigal she is really anti-performing them to interfere with someone else’s freewill. She told me those kinds of spells come back 4-fold in a… Read more »

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

That’s stars. Not starts. As in planets:)

fallen angel
fallen angel

Wow, that is clearer. So it’s like you clarified YOURSELF rather than casting a sticky net over the guy, which is impossible anyway. I DO completely relate to that buggery feeling of having to waft about, waiting for a man to make up his mind (or find his balls) to ask you out/decide how he feels/etc.. I feel both men and women suffer from the socialization that men must approach and women must be patient enough to let them – that yes, even someone purportedly enlightened enough to not be in that paradigm is still strangely governed by it sub… Read more »

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Darlin FA THANK YOU. I’m glad I clarified. Yeah I think you’re right about the attraction that self confidence creates for other people. And I have always known this intellectually. So hard to do when you’re lonely and have a broken heart though, like you are saying. It’s a tough walk sister and I have been reading your posts in other places and feeling for you. I’m just another light at the end of your tunnel. I promise I feel better than in July. And thank you for supporting me in where I found some spiritual solace and guidance. I… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

I have Satan trine Pluto natally and am a cardinal crabacious person so the Saturn Pluto square hit me like a tonne of freakin bricks. The energy was sooooo like … woah in yer face. Does anyone else experience the astro as an energy? Like … I can feel it, even before I read about it on the blog or anywhere else for that matter. Weird. “Lets have an online encounter group and hold virtual hands – yes?” LOL YES LET’S!!! I love our little online encounter groups here .. they are so cool. Anyhoo last fortnight has been all… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

😈

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

hahahahaha i heart u prowl

crabwoman
crabwoman

lol my thoughts exactly!

prowlncat
prowlncat

sorry guys … just remembered I’ve got a gangbang going on in my 6th house which may explain the enjoying the torment of denial thing going down at the mo’

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Gang Bang. Hah! One of the best astrological adjectives yet!

prowlncat
prowlncat

it’s the Scorp influence!!! … had to wheedle in some sexual reference somewhere … lol

ps. here’s another one … I’m known as the food porn adept around these parts haha

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Nothin’ like a good gangbang prowln 🙂

something fishy
something fishy

I have saturn trine pluto, too, prowlncat – just discovered that fact on astrodienst but have no idea what it may mean. Anyone?

something fishy
something fishy

ew, and i have transitting Pluto lining up against my natal Saturn – that can’t be good!

pegasus
pegasus

THAT is my sorta food there, Prowin!

pegasus
pegasus

I mean the smoked salmon, carbonara & figs…not the gang bang!
You’re on line too Sweet Pea.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

Oh Pegs,

There was a thread a zillion year back and Prowln spelled out her restaurant decor, menu…Swear that’s why I’m on a diet now!!

FireTrine
FireTrine

Ooh, I am still new to all this and can’t read my chart yet, but I have to say that I have been learning about dealing with family also these last weeks (sorry to crabwoman, sounds bloody challenging). While in this, I read some quote apparently by the Dalai Lama, “In disagreements with loved ones deal only with the current situation. Don’t bring up the past”. I have been finding a Cancerian sibling and Scorpio/Pisces parents quite blerrchhh but take responsibility for not focusing on the bigger picture of what family is about. So I have pulled my horns in… Read more »

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Funny you should ask FireTrine, I was looking at this yesterday. Christmas Day looks to be a bit of a corker. A Sun-Pluto conjunction squares Saturn (sounds like it could be emotionally intense but perhaps productive / honest / forgiving… would expect family secrets to get a bit of an airing ‘tho, wouldn’t you??) BUT at the same time, Jupiter conjoins Neptune over in Aquarius (so maybe deep and meaningful will be the order of the day, and have a positive, if not philosophical outcome…). But I’d say ‘easy-going’ light and breezy is not really the astro-of-the-day…

FireTrine
FireTrine

Fascinating Lexicorn! This sounds just like the Christmas we ‘had to have’. Well, I shall keep it quiet regardless, I am due to have a baby Jan 15th and don’t fancy controversy currently. The Cancerian is at the out-laws, so that should calm the watery depths somewhat… INTERESTING that water seems strongly to feature in the blog!

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Congrats on the impending Capricorn! What good taste you have in offspring!

saggigal
saggigal

what i am realising is that as my philosophies on life open up and evolve like never before (thank you eckart tolle, etc etc etc….) i simply MUST live a different way than i always have. not so much a huge external shift but internal. which of course links in to travel (this is all pluto in 9th)…and to do this i have to take utter responsibility for the way i work and how i look after myself (saturn in 6th). and MAN have i been facing every wound/pain/hurt/anger i think ive ever carried as i start looking at myself… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

CONGRATULATIONS re the decision not to let your past hold you back saggigal. So much easier to stay stuck in it and wallow – most peeps do it without ever realising and then it can become so much harder because the peeps around you will also hold your facade up with you – they need you to be that person so their stuff can be held in place too. Societal and cultural traditions whilst being supportive and well placed to start with can sometimes cossett the “poor” person for far longer than it’s useful for their personal evolution and growth.… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

thank you Anon 🙂

fallen angel
fallen angel

AMEN Saggigal…I feel like I’ve been hit by a truck, and it keeps on coming back for more.

S’right though, it must be the “ground and pound” bit I’m going through… 🙂

jessiemo
jessiemo

Yes, can confirm this is how Saturn people, at least, feel all the time. Ruthless. but then the other influences kick in to be tolerant of others. If we dropped every person that didn’t honour their own word we’d have no friends.

pegasus
pegasus

Abracadabra & Amen;-)

piaqua
piaqua

I like that!

pegasus
pegasus

Just belatedly read Nov for Sagg in Astro Scape 09. Such synchronicity. Have been culling all paperwork sans shredder all from 96-now. Thousands of pages. So it’s my life coming up to meet me thro the pages of notes that are being skimmed. Noticing the same topics & threads throughout, who & what has been fleeting & that that has stayed a constant. Untited we stand. What you have developed & what has transpired from your site, Mystic, are some supberb personages. I personally would be honored to meet with anyone on this site. Combined energies here could move mountains.… Read more »

Ms.
Ms.

My saturn returns just kicked in last month in which I moved back to australia after battling it out in london. I have my saturn charging to make a conjunction with my IC and then conjunct pluto. I am living with my ex the lovliest leo male ever who is kindly hosting my homeless arse in exchange for me supercharing his biz and wardrobe ID.

I am grokking but I cracked last night and cried too.

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

What a wonderful manifestation of your IC being fired up – the fourth house in the chart concerned with home/hearth.

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

I’ve just scored a dream job after a very shitty year – it all hit the fan with that longest eclipse in the 21st century in July plus having Neptune square my MC. My current boss (who’s nasty) announced my leaving before all the paperwork has been finalised (so pleased to get rid of me I think. All that discussion re Sagg honesty on this site yesterday rang true for me). So I don’t know if/when I’m coming or going..literally and I don’t like hurrying up the HR dept of my new job just because my boss is trying to… Read more »

ScorpintheSky
ScorpintheSky

Awesome Saturn. I need a new job too so I appreciate the happy ending stories. Your boss sounds a little heartless. I hope you make it through well. I’m glad you reminded me of the no shortcuts bit. It does FEEL like the best thing to do.

crabwoman
crabwoman

oh cool! but weird on the boss. good riddance there!

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

Thank you so much Scorp and Crabwoman for your supportive comments. Much appreciated. How kind.

I love this website…..

clover
clover

Currently, Saturn is conjunct my natal Pluto (in the 10th house). I’m not exactly sure what that means, but I’ve been dealing with a lot of stress!

crabwoman
crabwoman

* should add, would love to blame it all on him, but have to take some of it on board. super sensitive at the moment and prone to crying at the drop of a hat lol she has NO water in her chart so thinks I am quite alien-like. hopefully being a sook is a forgiveable sin! I did not cry as much when I had vices!!!!!!!

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

Crab woman, I think your daughter is really courageous and also so hard that you have to cop the fall out from her journey. She’s allowed to have her feelings and so are you! There’s nothing wrong with being a sook! She shouldn’t expect you to have the same emotional journey as her. It sounds like you’re being hard on yourself.

crabwoman
crabwoman

agreed but it is just wading through it to find the balance. her brothers have also had the same journey and handled it differently, so hitting cyclone daughter has been more than a surprise and I have been at a loss as to how to handle it! but toughening up. I have not had to be the disciplinarian much at all to be honest and relished that lol I dont do confrontation well at all and she seems to LOVE it, little minx!

natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun
natal saturn conj moon in Cap/Sagg Sun

Is she manifesting your unconscious Pluto projection and you’re trying to be Saturnian? Is that too simplistic/unfair an analysis?

crabwoman
crabwoman

hmmm not sure? I am just trying to be a responsible parent and she wants to be 18! and when she hits the wall of responsibility, she bucks up and it goes from there. Just not used to it as the boys have been a breeze and communication has never been an issue! but everyone says that teenage girls are difficult, (which I think is sexist) just wish she would talk more, or help us try and get to the root of why she is upset at times.

pegasus
pegasus

CB, i also have no water in my chart, has always figured emotions were my lesson to learn,
that or it explains my water fetish. HAVE to be by water to feel my best.

Could never understand my mother’s water sign moods & emotions as well…mmmm.

crabwoman
crabwoman

fascinating pegasus! do you watch people’s emotions? I feel her at times, watching me like I am a freak when I get emotional about things, and she will ask people why they act as they do. it is like that part of humanity fascinates her! and she loves water, physical water too!

taurean alchemist
taurean alchemist

crabwoman, deadbeat dads are my main bane at the mo too hun – holding your hand xx

crabwoman
crabwoman

thanks TA xo

crabwoman
crabwoman

These two don’t connect in my natal, but as I have mentioned before, I have Pluto presently oppose my Sun, exact at the moment, as is Saturn square Sun. The Pluto opposition has been harsh and it is difficult to ride. It is coming out via the connection with my Taurus daughter, which works, as placidus has my Sun just in the 5th! We work at it, her and I, good days and bad. I would LOVE to blame it all on the scorp father, who has not seen them in three years. It was her decision, at 10, to… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

Hey dude I feel you re the drinking thing. I gave it up a few years back now for the same reasons – discovered it was increasingly becoming a crutch to relax, destress etc (tho it did coincide with Satan in Virgo so maybe that was it). It amazed me how much I grew emotionally just from removing this one thing … being forced to look for alternative, healthy coping mechanisms or go completely bonkers. It’s totally changed my life and my intuitive/creative abilities have markedly improved. Now I am going through the same process with suger … arghhh. But… Read more »

crabwoman
crabwoman

hee hee I hear you on all of that and was actually wondering with hubby last night when the booze will become less socially acceptable. It is just too easy to have those glasses creep up on you! Kudos on the sugar (dont know if I could do that :O lol) the smoking was the toughest UGH and with hubs still smoking, I don’t know how I did it lol just wanted to for the last two years and planned it out and gritted my teeth. Few tips that I discovered – change the routine that you smoke, I did… Read more »

taurean alchemist
taurean alchemist

prowlincat maybe all the brown sprout/wheatgerm/spirulina drinks will make you go off the cigs too (I jest)… if I can do it hun, anyone can – I did it with meditation and Allan Carr’s the Easy Way to Stop Smoking. xx

Leonine Librarian
Leonine Librarian

Prowlin, I found that after going pure vegan and having a thorough course of vibrational remedies that a sneaky social ciggie had me throwing up for a couple of days. My body was saying NO to nicotine pretty strongly…so I think there actually is some validity to the joked comment their by TA…um and I’ve fallen off the vegan wagon, but have not desired a ciggie since my adversion therapy…so to speak.

xox rockstar libran publicist xox
xox rockstar libran publicist xox

prowlers – 26 years of Peter Styvo & he & I broke up.
cold turkey.
no going back.
mind over matter.
BEST thing I did……! ! !

due time to address booze given all else is in check……

Mystic Medusa
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