Astro-Polanski

Chinatown movie posterYick. I was so ignorant of the Roman Polanski thing that i always assumed he’d been tried and acquitted or something.  Anyway, his being bought to justice is interesting astrologically – it coincided with Saturn being exactly on his Venus-Jupiter in the 12th house. If you are looking at this sort of thing, Saturn in the 12th House IS the transit of ‘karma’ and potentially, incarceration. IF you’ve been bad – i am not saying Saturn thru the 12th or on Venus/Jupiter automatically means you get nabbed. But, interesting, no?  And it’s been about a Saturn cycle since the original incident.

 

 

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Sweetpea

News here just said that Polanski near suicide in Zurich jail.

xox rockstar libran publicist xox

having been well touched up by senior clergy member @ 7yrs old – my comment is – whilst one may get over it / let go of the sitch (as I did long ago), the experience dogs one through life….for me, affecting male relationships from that day forth. mother (whom I love dearly) wouldn’t / couldn’t accept the event to be true until I was in my early 30’s. my call – how can a 7 year old invent that shit???? now she can say the *C* word re that man, & accept my abhorrent stance on Catholicism. no one… Read more »

xox rockstar libran publicist xox

P>S
‘nor should anyone receive trial by media / internet!!’ refers RP’s sitch.
neither he, the clergy, or the rich & famous etcs be treated differently than the little people.

Sweetpea

I remember being about 13, a neighborhood college guy (his Mom and my Mom would often have coffee and chat and I played with is sister, three years older..) But this thread brings back memories of where he yanked out his DICK for me to see. Sure my eyes were as big as saucers but actually recall just looking away as DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO THINK!! I’d never had sex. What the hell was sex? Wasn’t even a word that I’d known. I never told my Mom. Just knew it felt YICKY!! Like, here is a dick, want some?… Read more »

Sweetpea

Rock a billy Babe, CANNOT imagine being seven years old and going through that. My granddaughter just turned 8. It’s too painful to even contemplate the scars it would leave on her psyche and soul. I cannot even think about it except for a fleeting thought lest I go crazy… ‘Fraid as an Aries, like Davidl I could not just let that be. I would have to KILL. And I would… Have any names and addresses? I know alot of Iranians… 😉 Well, okay, ex husband and ex bro in law not that brutish or violent but they might be… Read more »

xox rockstar libran publicist xox

SP – yeah there was a strong sense of being ‘sold out’ by not being believed for a while – but really – that experience, whilst not at all my fault, is part of who I am. that old prick’s a sad sick man. I’m happy & at peace.

so should that priest dude come to justice – I’d be like the Polanski chick – & leave it be. it’s so long ago. all the crap the ‘victim’ endures to nail a conviction….. the perpetrators get whats coming to ’em one way or another.

Sweetpea

“perpetrators get whats coming to ‘em one way or another.”

Yeah, guess Polanski’s Saturn is proof of that.

Just can’t abide the thought of my granddaughter ever being harmed. I’m okay now, but she’s still so innocent.

xox rockstar libran publicist xox

SP – should mine’ve been a more severe experience, dealing with it most definitely would’ve been different!!

Mystic’s original point re the Saturn Cycle in the Polanski case be most relevant. xox

whatever

God no – it’s awful he was murdered – my stance was from the perspective of people who are addicted to drugs dying of drug overdoses living by the sword they die on and the fact that the cult of personality raises total strangers to the status of deity in many people’s worlds (that’s not a dig at you btw). It’s repulsive what the supposed medical professionals did for personal gain. I’m with you all the way on that Davidl. Just because I take the position of observer in relation to things that don’t directly impact on my life on… Read more »

davidl

sorry whatever, you did take my comments a little more seriously than they were intended. It wasn’t criticism it was more a question ? Now the playboy thing is interesting as my comment was ‘modified’ by myst because I acted as if she was guilty when it was actually just alledged. The rest of my comment was , umm, tongue in cheek ?

davidl

Im sorry whatever but I do have to agree with the above..there is def something going on with you re: empathy/sympathy or something… reminds me of the Michael Jackson thread where his alleged indiscretion was cause for you to have no sympathy or empathy to his death, when in fact he has never been charged with any offence and his accusors have all turned out to be money grabbers? Is this a libra fleur thing or is this part of the schitzo type thing you were experimenting with via multiple personality blogging ?

whatever

That’s the same cold libra who tried to reason with the people who attacked you while you weren’t around on this blog by the way – she didn’t think that was fair and was repelled by the way some people jumped in there and joined the attack. Your memory seems a little selective. And as for the multiple personality, it wasn’t simultaneous multiples David. I realised there were aspects of what made up my persona that were a facade put in place to keep others happy. I wasn’t happy and sometimes loathed myself because of it – have you ever… Read more »

whatever

Davidl I have to thank you – your words have helped me to see something I hadn’t ever been able to see before you said them. It’s not a problem with empathy/sympathy that I have it’s a problem with having the vocabulary to express them – especially in writing which lacks tone and gesture. I’ve had all kinds of tests done the EQ IQ etc and they show totally healthy emotional intelligence. That’s the thing with that science angle though – it’s not real world and in the moment. I need to learn to adapt my language so it’s not… Read more »

virgo nightfairy

“I understand your experience makes it hard to see how I could possibly arrive at my opinion” My experience has not made me stupid. “it was never as an apologist” Yes it was. Every one of your posts was a different angle on why everyone should just wise up and drop all the nonsense. Yes you did clearly state that some of your opinions were misplaced – eg Roman’s age (he was young! we all make mistakes! oh, woops he was middle-aged). I don’t care if a rapist is 24 or 45. Here’s a tip – it’s not appropriate to… Read more »

whatever

Happy to agree to disagree and for that to be the end of it re the polanski factor but you have openly attacked me in a public forum and made sweeping erroneous accusations about me personally as well as jumping to the errant conclusion that i think you’re stupid. Yesterday I thought you were brave and empowered for being able to tell me what you thought of my opinion and share your experience because you wanted me to know I’d overstepped the mark in terms of your own experience – that takes balls. I thought it was powerful and I… Read more »

whatever

Virgo Nightfairy I want you to know I have not written a single word that was meant to hurt you, although I can see how they may have been taken that way. I meant what I said sincerely – I do hope you’re able to find some peace with regard to your experiences. I shared mine only so you could see why I have come to the point of seeing things the way I do. I spent a lot of time indoors reading as a child as a result of what happened to me – my mother felt she needed… Read more »

whatever

weird that disappeared so I refreshed and did it again god knows wtf is up with that. Goodnight ladies – and gent.

virgo nightfairy

I was raped as a child. On a very real level you never ‘move on’. I am glad most people posting here appreciate that being a some-time God of Art does not excuse a person from criminal charges. I am glad most people here don’t think if something was ‘a long time ago’ (like eg the Holocaust) then we should all ‘move on’. I am sick at the thought of all the men I know who were raped as children who have hung themselves. They were in their forties when they died, having spent their lives trying to minimize, forgive… Read more »

davidl

Im not sure sometimes if child rape is worse in a way than child murder. Both acts steal the life of the victim. Im sorry nightfairy if any of the comments above minimised the pain that you must feel when you are confronted by these stories. Of course you cant just move on and forgive, its a part of you forever. I hope that there are males in your life that love, care, and respect you…..true love conquers all x

fluid feline

that’s very true david – i think a literal death may be better than the actual living hell the survivor has to live with – whether that hell surfaces daily or sporadically – eventually you get tired and think “I’m fuqed, can’t do it anymore” – not good when you’ve had children.

virgo nightfairy

Thank you davidl.

whatever

Hi virgo nightfairy. I’m sorry you were raped as a child – sounds glib but I do mean it sincerely – I think it’s amazingly powerful that you were able to express how you felt after reading what I wrote and I appreciate you doing it. I understand your experience makes it hard to see how I could possibly arrive at my opinion – it was never as an apologist but obviously this is an emotional subject – especially for someone it’s happened to. Not that it matters or changes how you feel but but I did come to the… Read more »

whatever

Hi virgo nightfairy. I’m sorry you were raped as a child – sounds glib but I do mean it sincerely – I think it’s amazingly powerful that you were able to express how you felt after reading what I wrote and I appreciate you doing it, not that it was “for” me. There was no intention to minimise anyone’s pain on my part and it’s unfortunate it has been taken that way if that is what happened. I understand your experience makes it hard to see how I could possibly arrive at my opinion – it was never as an… Read more »

nat

Virgo Nightfairy, I just read this thread and am touched by your honesty & clarity. You are so right, every one of us is responsible for everything that we do. If we start making excuses & exceptions for conscious acts of atrocity, inhumanity & cruelty, then we are in a world of trouble. I really appreciate you being so open about what happened to you. You sound like one bloody strong nightfairy! I hope there have been many more good souls in your life than bad. Strength & love to you x

william

this reminds me of pluto, go ahead- make my day
doesn’t seem like he could care less…
(but he secretly does…I think..)
Pluto fascinates me of late…(because he does care..I suspect
this of Him, maybe a closet softie…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6-Snl4a1RI

william

Saturn the “old man”

james hillman writes of the ‘senex’ complex somewhere…

the sexuality of the old (senex) preying on the young, ( old goat)

part of the ‘senex’ complex…

Polanski made rosemarys baby and manson murders said to signify
the ‘end of the 60’s) – a little bit of saturn/uranus opposition there too?

Paradigm of rape also plutonic a little bit? drugs- neptune- ish?

It’s interesting. I remember Loreena Bobbit came into media stream around time of venus rising earlier this year and that really seemed fascinating… probably something going on here yeah…
maybe venutian again?

whatever

agree with the plutonic angle william – taking the young into the darkness and neptune yes the fog. What is the pluto that entire generation have I can’t remember what it is it shaped the boomers & their era plutonically. but the astro we’re having now some of it hasn’t happened since the 60’s so a lot of this is interesting from an astrological perspective. It’s also fascinating the charts of the film peeps – whenever I read about their charts it seems film may have been the most healthy outlet for a lot of them.

Ãœber Virgo

What shits me is the Hollywood glitterati jumping to defend this child rapist and calling for him to be exonerated. These include a gobsmacking list of high profile directors et al Scorsese, Tilda Swinton, David Lynch and ironically, Woody Allen.

What is encouraging though is the mass international outrage at the suggestion of leniency.

whatever

David Lynch – that’s interesting – he has a really crazy astro chart and had he not channelled it into a creative field may have ended up not being such a successful/socially acceptable person.

The Leo Socialite

Well if Hitler had stood trial at Nuremberg would it have been relevant how good the films he made with Leni Riethnstal – can’t spell – were?? He had a big creative influence on those. Would it have been like ‘well, your honour blah blah blah his ART?’ And he was a vegetarian. NOT saying Polanski was like hitler but the thought of that poor little girl makes me feel ill. i found it hard enough being in compromising situations with powerful older men when i was in my early 20s. Thirteen is a child. And no offence but when… Read more »

whatever

I understand your position and I’ve been a 13 year old girl too but I’m not sure drawing comparisons with hitler are going to help me understand roman polanski’s astro or the facts of the case he will be tried for – I am interested in reading that transcript tho. Thanks for the hook up.

The Leo Socialite

The Smoking Gun is the website. It says it above.
Was Mick Jagger accused of drugging etc the 12 year old? I thought she was of age when that happened but he said something really sleazy about having fancied her since then. Sleazy but not illegal. Unlike RP. I LOVE Art and am willing to forgive major talents their foibles – piscasso was called the sacred monster, talented people can be drug addicts, abominable in relationships, polyamorous, pricks, but what polanski did was outside of the perameters we luvvie leos give to artistes we adore. WAY OUTSIDE>

whatever

RIGHT thanks TLS I’m going to hunt it down and cop the facts. I’m not suggesting the man be forgiven the crime because he’s talented – I am acknowledging that he is not without merit as an artist – I don’t believe any person should be examined without taking it all in – good & bad.

Ãœber Virgo

Mick Jagger had a tryst with Mackenzie Phillips when she was of age, but was quoted by her as saying he’d fancied her since she was 10.

If you want more facts about the Polanski case search jezebel.com or salondotcom. Polanski pled guilty and fled before sentencing because he realized he wasn’t going to be given the lenient sentence he’d negotiated for pleading guilty. There’s no question of his guilt.

whatever

I’ve never questioned that he was guilty of the crime. It’s all the other questions/issues it brings up that I’ve been banging on about. I’m over it tho – look forward to seeing what other facts emerge once he’s extradited tho.

ariesartist

I heart chinatown!

an amazing scene with hiding out in the stormwater system.
very relevant to today’s drought.

something fishy

yep, all that corruption over water – how relevant and topical.

whatever

Is the transcript on the net somewhere Mystic? And I always thought he was younger than that – but 42 – definately a saturnine thing. I know it sounds like I’m defending the man – it’s more that I’m not there waiting by the pyre with a box of matches.

davidl

If that was my daughter he would be castrated and possibly dead by now, seriously..

whatever

Yea I get that david and I get why – I’m not certain how I would react if someone did something like that within my personal realms – I can’t guarantee I would/wouldn’t turn vigilante because I’ve never been unlucky enough to be in that situation. I’m very measured about how I react to the news in these situations because it’s easy to be carried away by the wave and embittered in the end if you let yourself feel as though these things DID happen to someone you love and know personally. Full immersion in the news of the day… Read more »

scorpalicious robot

letting yourself feel as though these things DID happen to someone you love and know personally….

it’s called EMPATHY!

So Libran to be “very measured”. It just sounds so cold.

scorpalicious robot

i’m not having a go at you either. I think that quality makes Librans good lawyers perhaps. I can’t be measured about anything.

whatever

No offense taken SR – sounding cold and actually being it are two different things and I often think the pack reactions that are prevalent in many cultures are kinda cold myself – no time for critical thought just get in there and have it out. I feel empathy for the people around me and were this situation to happen again right now I would feel empathy for the child it happened to but the woman she grew into has already moved on and says she wishes the matter to be closed herself. I’ve now read the transcript – although… Read more »

badleobad

I have had someone close to me experience sexual abuse…our mother even as an adult chose to see it as an affair. She could not quite work out that a child is by nature of being a child unable to equal power….and was not agreeable to the ensuing years of abuse. He only got 12 months in jail. He did get his back broken in there though…and on some levels it made it easier on my sister, and anyone that loved her that he lived with a pain he could understand on a day to day basis for the rest… Read more »

Sweetpea

I don’t think things are necessarily always a “pack” mentality but a ~majority~.

Sweetpea

Perhaps whatever this has more to do with your feelings of past experiences here on the blog. And I mean that kindly.

whatever

Oh I know you do sweetpea – the pack is something I’ve never been able to get my head around and this blog has actually allowed me to see how it works (when they went for David was when I started to understand) which has been good for me. Seeing it written down is easier to “get” than seeing it in reality which totally freaks me out. Disclaimer: This para is not about roman polanski and its not specifically about the people here it’s about the generic majority in all things in response to sweetpeas comment. It’s the way the… Read more »

2Natured

I just heard Gov. Schwartzenager say that he thinks we need to look at his case and see if he was treated fairly or treated differently. It amazes me how the focus is on him and his troubles, not the victim and what he did to her. It’s true that she was unsupervised, in a place where she probably shouldn’t have been, with some old dude she didn’t know. That’s what made her easy prey. She is not responsible for what he chose to do to her.

2Natured

BTW, he already pleaded guilty (to a lesser charge), so the issue is not whether he did it or not. He admitted to doing it. Now, the only issue is what his punishment will be. He may also be getting new charges for skipping bond. So he may get jail time for the initial crime plus added jail time for fleeing. I hope the judge loads his wagon.

something fishy

i think he pleaded guilty to the whole shebang – looking at the trial transcript on the smoking gun website which i read last night.

whatever

for some reason I can only see half of the transcript – it’s v frustrating

Sweetpea

I think the astro is speaking for itself as how Mystic and other astrologers are pointing out Saturn in his 12th and other signatures.

Something is not done yet.

whatever

LOL my diatribe? Yeah re the astro VERY interested to see what happens Sweetpea.

whatever

god sorry that was long

whatever

THANKS Mystic – the astro of this fascinates me. And yes that swiss thing david – amazing cultural insights to be had from this kind of deeply divisive topic. Of course an accusation of a crime like that needs to be resolved although I do have my reservations about crimes after this length of time being followed through on when the “victim” – I invert that because she no longer sees herself as a victim – has resolved it in their head and moved on and forgiven the accused. Following through after such a long time seems totally saturnine. All… Read more »

davidl

I know most females drool over Mick..He’s always struck me as being a total ego driven dickhead. The vibe I get from him is creepy. The fact that he has been accused of drugging and abusing a 12 year old in the 60’s doesn’t surprise me actually. There are no time limits on these type of crimes, technically and rationally, the fact that people prefer to forget and get over it doesn’t repair the tear in the fabric of society and justice. In fact by continuing to persue the criminals, it acts as a deterrent to others. Justice will prevail,… Read more »

whatever

funny – see below – you and I are actually arguing for the same thing but from different angles. Did you know your north and my south nodes are conjunct and vice versa? It makes sense.

william

hey aren’t we burning enough witches in this wonderful culture of ours?
put down the torches for just 5 minutes, take a few deep breaths..

there, better now? Everything’s going to be okay. The church lady is doing
her dance, see? All is groovy…

whatever

word

davidl

I agree, no more witch burning…lets focus on those that abuse children, steal their lives and hide their work. The first to burn would be all those catholic priests and marist brother school teachers who abused children for years with no fear of retribution. Burn them in the street or just have them removed to some waste city set aside for the purpose where they can abuse each other.

Jennifer Scorpio

Davidl and William, I took a big breath and it didn’t seem to change my mind. Any 44 year old man who is quite happy to ply a 13 year old girl with quaaludes and ETOH, perform oral sex on her and then sodomise her (amongst other things) should have to face his punishment. He may be a fantastic talented director, but he has lived for years without punishment for what he did to this child. It doesn’t matter that he is world famous. He broke the law, he admitted it and he has evaded paying the price for his… Read more »

Anonymous

I have to agree with Jennifer. As an 40+ yr old man and apparently an_ADULT_ he should have known better, regardless of his ‘urges’ at the time. By that age one should have been through enough of this life biz to be able to perform the simple task of connect the dots between ones actions and the consequences. That fact that he fled the consequences like a coward AND moved on to a 15 yr old, does not help my view of him at all. And besides, I don’t for a moment doubt that there are hundreds, even THOUSANDS of… Read more »

2Natured

Polanski is a child molester. He should have gone to jail for a long long time. Everyone is talking about Polanski, pro or con. This poor 13 year old girl has been living with this for 30+ years. She is a victim of this perv, a victim of the court system, a victim of ignorant people who call her a slut, and she continues to be a victim. If he had gone to jail decades ago she might have had the chance to put this behind her and live her life. But because this guy decided to flee the country,… Read more »

Sweetpea

Big Stink in the news about this over here too. People callin’ in radio shows and poll taking going on…. 77% think he should be nailed to the cross, meanwhile, Tinsel Towners (Hollyweird) coming to his defense. They say he paid off the girl years ago and she’s apparently saying bringing this whole thing up just brings back bad memories for her. One astro site commented that Polanski and Sharon Tate were into LSD and witchcraft and conjured the devil himself (Manson). Some unsavory ties the whole lot of them… When Saturn was transiting my 12th house, was a very… Read more »

whatever

nice astro-biology (is that what its called?) angle sweetpea thanks for sharing it

davidl

apparently his crime was committed at the house of Jack Nicholson, the guy needs to face up to it, stop running, he deserves to be punished for a despicable act.
I found it funny how the swiss came out all embarrassed and sorry. Typical. After being the bankers for the nazis and basically hiding billions of dollars stolen from holocaust victims, they only last year owned up and handed some of it back. Can a whole nation be apologists for criminals ? while still maintaining some type of image as peace loving bystanders ? scum.

2Natured

France is the nation that has given him sanctuary for decades. What’s with the French anyway?

whatever

As mentioned at (yes, way too much) length below – I don’t think anyone should ever be judged solely on the worst act they ever committed. I think we are all more than a single moment in time. I try not to jump to conclusions – I’ve seen awful things happen when people don’t stop and think and I just can’t be that way. So finally more facts emerge, the whole RP story has never been told. The fact RP agreed to pay his victim to settle the case 15 years later and has never done so leads me to… Read more »

Sweetpea

“We are more than a single moment in time”

Well put whatever. That’s quoteable material there…

But if the freak/fuqazoid never did pay her and has a psychopathic pattern then that is just well, fuqued…

And now, so is he…

Taurean love expert

Read an extract from the trial transcript… absolutely chilling.

libran tiger

yes i read that too today on the smoking gun website – he deserves everything he gets. what a creep.

whatever

Is this the trial from the time you speak of? THAT would be interesting seeing as so much time has passed now and that ocurred at the time – the actual cold hard facts. Where does one find/read this?

libran tiger
something fishy

also, reminds me of article i read this morning in london times – Tate Gallery has removed an old nude pic of Brooke Shields. Seems it’s a painting based on a photograph shot for a girlie mag (yep, a real one owned by playboy or penthouse or something) WHEN SHE WAS 10 YEARS OLD!!!! Where was Mama? oh, over there, signing the contracts….

something fishy

Yick is the word…don’t care if he IS a brilliant director… and Chinatown a good choice – who could forget the scene between Dunaway and Nicholson, ‘She’s my sister…daughter…sister etc’ while he slaps her – absolutely chilling….SO Polanski.
In fact it made me think of him when you (MM) posted the pic of Nastassia Kinski the other day, and I was thinking hey, there’s no way i want THAT under my pillow, snake or no snake, Polanski can only be one step away!

Damons22/jan

“What goes around comes around” my favourite saying of all time …..

prowlncat

I have Saturn in the 12th in Gemini – no wonder I don’t get away with jack shit!

Baristagem

Saturn finally caught up with him!

Interesting that it is on the Saturn 12th Venus/Jupiter It reminded me of the representation of the Lady Justice sculpture in the courts. The Lady Justice attributes to many goddesses such as Fortuna & Tyche. She once wore a roman blindfold to represent Fortuna- Fate. She wears a mural crown (Tyche-Luck) & also holds a double edge sword for Reason & Justice (Nemesis) . The scales are obviously to measure support or against the case.
Was Fortuna’s father Jupiter??

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