The 12th House

Artemis In The Space AgeI call the 12th House (the one right before the Ascendent) the Soul Sector but it has many names. Fatalistic old style astrologers called it the House of Self-Undoing.  The sign on the Cusp of the 12th is often one that you are not comfortable with although it would actually be brill for you to incorporate the higher aspects of that sign. Sometimes the 12th House operates almost like a relative you are embarassed about. Something fun to think about…yes?

The Sun, Moon and planets there can be like hidden talents, people whose Sun-Moon etc fall into your 12th House stir your Soul as do planets gliding through there. It’s potent for dreams, divination and secrets. There can be a withdrawal from the world – or what you think of as your world – when the 12th house is being activated…a fab time to do therapy, a personal pilgramage etc.

Soul Sector doings are deeply subliminal and as for the Self-Undoing theme, i don’t really go along with that. But i expect it has to do with how 12th house themes – secrets – can manifest as addictions and all that end of life. I know when i had Uranus in my 12th house, i operated way more subversively & led a v.insular life & then -wham – Uranus got to my Ascendent – everything changed.

So, something to think about: How do you work/use the sign/Sun/Moon or planets in your 12th house?? Do you repress them?  Is there any link to secrets there? The 12th House is spooky  and multi-layered as will be your answers to this question, if you muse upon it enough.

Quick examples as i am dashing: i HAVE noticed that peeps with Mars in the 12th are WAY more angry than they seem. Sublimated Mars. Also you often meet super-Low versions of the sign in your 12th House in early life, Jupiter there is secret blessings…

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Oracle

I’m Capricorn Sun, Rising Gemini/Sagittarius, Midheaven Pisces/Virgo and North Node Aquarius [Retrograde] and Aquarius Moon with Scorpio and Taurus in the 12th House and no planets. My Taurus in Saturn [Retrograde] is in the 6th and 11th Houses. Scorpio in Venus in the 6th and 12th Houses, Scorpio in Mars in the 5th and 12th Houses and Scorpio in Jupiter in 6th and 12th Houses. My Moon squares Venus, Jupiter and Neptune. Venus squares Sun and Moon, Venus oppositions Saturn and Venus conjuncts Neptune and Venus sextiles Pluto. Mars semisquares Mercury and Pluto, Mars oppositions Saturn, Mars squares Moon and… Read more »

Sachin
Sachin

I have Saturn in 12th in cancer. Does it delay marriage or no marriage at all.
I have Sun, moon, Venus, Jupiter and ketu in 9th house in Cancer. Can someone guide me the effects of saturn in cancer in 12th house.

aqua aqua
aqua aqua

“Also you often meet super-Low versions of the sign in your 12th House in early life” Wow, I have Capricorn 12th house and ex bf from a few years ago was a Cap with maaaajor issues. One of his main aims in life was to own really expensive things (watch, car etc) just to have as a status symbol. Chatted with/met girls off the internet behind my back and when i inevitably found out gave the old ‘well we’re not really together’. Well if we’re not together then why did you feel you had to hide it from me?! lol… Read more »

Herby
Herby

Question: I already know that my wife and I are both strongly influenced by our 12th Houses (Sun, 3 planets and Asc).

I have just done charts for both my younger sisters and they both also have their Suns and Asc in the 12th House (one is Leo and the other is Sagg).

Should I read any significance into all this 12th House action amongst my immediate family?

Shell
Shell

I was just looking to see what you said herby’s and really have no clue about what I am really saying, but, the thought composite charts came into my mind. Just after I thought well I guess you and your wife would have some shared affinity but the family thing who knows. But composite charts of those relationships might add some fun to the thinking? (and another comment may attract more knowledgeable curious eyes. Go the skateboarding!)

karen
karen

hola yo tengo tanbien mi casa 12 en escorpio con pluton con juno tengo a lilith en escorpio pero en la casa 11 algien me pude dar una pequeya intepretacion para mi en ese aspecto porfabor

Alexandra
Alexandra

I have Ascendent Virgo sun in Leo btw, Moon in Cancer

Alexandra
Alexandra

Anonymous, about the Speaking in class issue… The same thing happens to me! I have Sun in Leo in 12th and Mercury in Virgo in the 1st. It happens every time where I am really excited to speak out in class but when I do I get little to no response, sometimes I even get the feeling that the teacher didn’t even catch all of what I was saying!! -What also baffles me is that everyone labels me “shy” although I am a roaring Venus and Sun in Leo. It keeps me up at night wondering how so many people… Read more »

cuspy gem
cuspy gem

Saturn and Jupiter conjunct in Libra in the 12th. Mystic is SO right re: “you often meet super-Low versions of the sign in your 12th House in early life”.

Anonymous
Anonymous

^Oh, I also have Cancer ascendant, I’m very shy with people I don’t know well

Anonymous
Anonymous

I have Sun in Gemini in 12th, but Mercury in 1st. I’ve noticed that when I speak in class, no one seems to respond very much (though I think it’s cuz I’m smarter than they are and they get pissed? :-/ lol but that could also be Mercury opp. Uranus (also a bit of a blessing/curse)) Does anyone else has this combo or any further interpretations?

Lark
Lark

My uber-Cancer mother has venus, mercury (Retro) and uranus in the 12th house. She hears people’s confessions and secrets all day as she is a shrink and also works in a 12th house environment – mental hospitals, clinics etc. She bubbles over with the intimate details of everyone’s life around her as people just magically want to tell her their deep woes. She lives in the unconcious and is like a crab without a shell picking up everyone’s emotions and swimming in the collective unconscious. She will never take what you tell her at face value, but say ‘oh you… Read more »

nancyx
nancyx

12th house in Gemini, so is my ascendant. Lilith and Chiron in the beginning of the 12th. Also, for a laugh once I worked out where the asteroid with the same name as me was…also in the 12th, nearly conjunct Lilith. Oh, I know it’s not big enough to have much of an actual influence, but it is food for thought… I have a lot of trouble saying out loud what’s inside my head – I guess I attribute my issues with communication to the 12th house being in Gemini, but I am a musician and I fill notebooks with… Read more »

Taurean Love Expert
Taurean Love Expert

My dear Leo lover has Mars in Aqua in the 12th – yes, angry, and secretly bats….but very sexy.

I have Venus in MY 12th… boy, did I chase stoopid unneccessary drama when I was a young (pre-Saturn return) thing.

fish out of water
fish out of water

I have my moon and neptune conjunct in sag in my twelfth house. I am generally pretty good at keeping a calm exterior when inside i’m quietly screaming. My cap ascendent also helps with that but I do and have always had a problem sharing my true feelings and my true self with other people. I still struggle with these huge emotions under the surface that don’t become apparant on the outside until some catalyst brings everything to a head and I have a meltdown. My neptune aspects six different planets, is this why I’ve always found it hard to… Read more »

crabapple
crabapple

Apparently I have Pluto and Venus both in Gem. in the 12th house; just read an article about Pluto in the 12th house suggesting that the key is to learn compassion… but personally, I’m not sure that’s something I need to learn, as such: I’ve always been “soft-hearted” as my mum says, & can get involved in other peeps’ emotions to the point of ending up in tears myself. All most interesting and worth mulling over.

spirit
spirit

I have Pluto in 12th……and like you found myself to be TOO compassionate earlier in my life……..a real sucker for a sob-story…..I have had to learn to detach more and stay in my own Power ( Pluto ) . Pluto in 12th is also eerily psychic as to other people`s ” hidden motives “……I can smell a scam no matter how hard they try to conceal it !

crabapple
crabapple

Interesting! I always thought it was a cancer thing (I have cancer sun/asc), but maybe more complicated than just that…

Kiki
Kiki

I too need help as I have no idea what any of this means. I have Neptune in my 12th house in Scorpio.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

12th house is ruled by Neptune, so the best place for it. In high manifestation it alludes to deep spirituality, intuition, dreaming, music– all the transcendent stuff. In low manifestation can be substance abuse, addictions, grifting, denial. Your call.
Scorp is a sign of intensity and regeneration.

taurean with the HMBOTS
taurean with the HMBOTS

i’ve got mars, jupiter, sun and mercury in the 12th in Gem, bit busy there!

WTF!!!???

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Are you enigmatic? Do you feel deep connections with others or a sense of being within an oceanic consciousness? You may be strongly intuitive or psychic. Think Neptunian + Mercurial. I think I like you.

geminicancerrising
geminicancerrising

I have venus sun and mercury spread between gemini and cancer in the 12th. I think I am a little intuitive, and my femininity is usually something that only comes out in private

taurean with the HMBOTS
taurean with the HMBOTS

OOh golly UV, ur making me think!! i have always thought of myself as very WYSIWYG, but the last few years am finding it harder and harder to not acknowledge that i seem to be getting very intuitive and prescient. doesn’t fit with my self image at all, LOL!! i was a bit surprised when i saw all that stuff in the 12th

so UV, thank you for making me think, i think i like U 2!! you do seem to know a hell of a lot!

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

If it really doesn’t feel right, check your birth time. But there’s something in the 12th house being our shadow. Therefore we aren’t always comfortable with integrating it. I’ve also heard that being above the horizon it may be visible to others more than it’s visible to ourselves.

How old are you T with the H? The midlife transits are likely to consolidate the characteristics of your chart, or a couple of Pluto turns can unearth stuff.

taurean with the HMBOTS
taurean with the HMBOTS

no i’m quite sure of my birth time and i didn’t mean to imply that it didn’t feel right, in fact it makes a lot of sense, just that i think up until quite recently in years, i understood practically nothing about myself only what others said about me or what was imposed on my by others since childhood. usual stuff, LOL! but i think mostly wrong, so i’m reassessing constantly now! and you are right, it’s not always comfortable! i’m 56yoa and have almost completely re-invented myself in almosts all aspects since i turned 50, or at least that’s… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Thanks T. xx You vibe young! Perhaps your Chiron return at 50 was a significant turning point.

I’ve been getting right into Kim Falconer’s book, ‘Astrology & Aptitude’. It might help if you want to unlock your 12th house. If Mystic’s too busy for consults, I highly recommend a phone session with astrologer, Christine Broadbent. It’s amazing what she can pull out of your chart.

taurean with the HMBOTS
taurean with the HMBOTS

thanks for the vibe young, i was very sedate, responsible, quiet and middle aged all through those childraisin’ years, not now!!

i’ll read up on Chiron return, that’s probably right, it fits! and also check KF’s book and the other dudette. tks for providing direction! awesome! XX

Scorp Scorp
Scorp Scorp

Sounds like a tricky thing to figure out for not-quite-so-experts… My 12th starts in the middle of Libra and has Jupiter and Mercury in it (though that is in the Scorpio part of the 12th house). So, Jupiter would be “secret blessings”? I love that, especially when one wonders where the overt blessings have suddenly gone to… 😉
Grateful for any deeper insights, if anyone has an idea?

davidl
davidl

I have my moon in the 12th gemini with gem asc. Apparently my brilliance will only be appreciated by a select few..hmmmm

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Moon in the 12th? Perhaps that explains my mysterious attraction to your luminous white buttocks.

davidl
davidl

since I started wearing my gold lame g string, no more luminous buttocks, and I seem to be getting quite a bit of attention at the beach.

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

I bet everyone wants to twang it.

delilah
delilah

oh i think it should be posted here. my venus is in sag and my 12th house is in sag…any idea what this means? tnx a lot

starstrokes
starstrokes

No planets there, but Sag ruled. My mum, daughter & partner are centaurs …all soul relationships.
My almost 3yr old daughter has Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sag in the 12th, she is a very loud angel!
I am deeply moved by Epona, the mare in the IChing, the unicorn & the wisdom of horse in the medicine cards…its not like I wish I was a horse or anything, I am inspired by & love the symbology.

matthew-minerva
matthew-minerva

OMG MY HAIRDRESSER – good family friend of ours (and who shares a love for ASTRO!) HAS 4 PLANETS IN HER 12 HOUSE OF SCORPIO!
she always says how weighed down it makes her feel!

IVE GOT AQUA as my 12th – which i belive is awesome!
LOL!

Suz
Suz

Hello peeps It doesn’t matter if you have no planets in the 12th house. The sign on the cusp… err the beginning… of that house, is important too. Some astrology out there says that this is also the sign that you were in your previous life before this one… hmmm… maybe, maybe not. I have no planets in the 12th… but lots of asteroids… hehe… Persphone, Aphrodite and Juno (and Karma, Nefertiti, Tutenkhamen) to name a few… maybe I repress a bit of this or am a bit secretive about it, because they are big beautiful goddesses… woah! I think… Read more »

pegasus
pegasus

Suze, re hidden desires, go for The Hostess as there are many many escorts & mistresses, but
to find a woman for COMPANY is nigh impossible for the men.
The pay not so good as e or m’s in the beginning, but far more opportunities to make bigger
bucks in the long run.
Singapore the place to explore that, they have proper hostess agencies, of course, what you do
after hours is all up to you. A woman can make more $’s NOT doing ‘it’…seriously.

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

company, as in dinner partner, conversations about good books, conference date, runs on the beach?? I could do THAT.

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

I have both my Sun and Mercury in the 12th. Sublimated ego for *sure*. Probably communication, too, but I feel like I’m pretty direct when I speak. Perhaps I don’t speak as much as I want to?

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

Oooh! But it’s true that I do wish I could travel so much more than I do (rarely) but I can’t seem to make it a priority financially… (Sun is in Aquarius, Mercury in Capricorn, by the way -in case anyone else wants to help interpret this…)

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

My 12th House is Leo, and there’s no planets in there, but the Moon’s North Node is…? If North Node is all about your destiny and fulfilling a life-purpose kinda thin, what happens when that secrets away in the 12th? As for the Leo thing – well I am pretty showy with the ‘shadow side’ stuff. But what I’m finding super interesting is that I just looked at my 12th House transits at the mo. I’ve got Venus transiting 12th right now, meanwhile, Chiron is currently dead on my Natal Venus in 7th. LIGHT BULB. So is that WTF is… Read more »

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

hm, north node in 12th, you are comfortable with spiritual and ‘Deep’ otherworldly pursuits? Or that is what you could be aiming for? if that’s Leo, maybe all of that expressed in a Leonine fashion – pride in self, care of self, make a feature of this spirituality etc? ideas..

pisceaness
pisceaness

i have saturn and neptune in my 12th, and cap is the sign on the cusp of the twelth. i think i can kind of understand neptune in my twelth but not sure how to take saturn or the capricorn

aquaphobe
aquaphobe

ditto on the nada in 12th….sigh

Odette
Odette

Ok, trying to understand… I have my Sun & Mercury in my 12th house & both are in Libra, so…. I’m not what I appear generally (sun sign pretty fundamental) I secretly love beauty & diplomacy, and my desire travel & communicate is hidden? Will have to mull on this a bit.

pegasus
pegasus

Barista, U2, felt i was a misfit with empty 12th house:)

Baristagem
Baristagem

Lol, so true Peg! Maybe some more will pop up & join our little empty house party! lol

postmodscorp
postmodscorp

Nada in my 12th….. And its in Pisces. Can i join the party?

Aqua Fey
Aqua Fey

Me toooooo, totally blank in this house (in Taurus)

Astro interpretation: “There are no planets in this house. Therefore it is not very important for your horoscope interpretation.”
Errrrr, kind of thought the soul trawling stuff was pertinent…

Mystic?

lib rising ramzilla
lib rising ramzilla

Hey the empty house party is rocking, mine empty too. Leo on the cusp. I’ve just had pluto transit it tho… and about to hit me ascendant….

Baristagem
Baristagem

It seems my 12th house is empty….. However Uranus is very close in approaching my ascendant…

pegasus
pegasus

I have nought in the 12th house, all planets except Neptune in 6th & Leo in 5th, are above the Ascendant.
No secrets, my life an open book?
Easily read?

olyalya
olyalya

My Pluto is in the 12th house in Scorpio. ATM its making an opposition to my Sun but trining my moon. “Withdrawn” I guess wpuld be ideal. But everything is making me deal with issues that are way beyond my capabilities when I need some time alone the most.

I am lucky to be getting alot of emotional support, but in everything I must act alone out of my own will. Nothing feels permenant right now.

mons
mons

I’m the same, Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th. I’ve had a quick read on google monster and it seems pretty accurate. I have battled various addictions and also suffered pretty rotten emotional abuse from family growing up but I’ve managed to overcome it all and now I’m a social worker helping people who were ‘me’ 10 years ago. I guess that’s the power of Pluto in Scorpio.

Bullish Cassie
Bullish Cassie

Scorpio in my 12th. That sounds like a dangerous combo!

olyalya
olyalya

Apparently it means that we transform through tapping into subconcious patterns etc also facination with esoteric (and astrology of course) http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/plutoinhouses.html

pegasus
pegasus

Olyalya, thanx for that…have Pluto in 8th & that was extremely apt interpretation of Pluto in houses.
Not real good at figuring houses, probably why i never bought one!

woodsen
woodsen

Aqua Venus in 12th house. I would def say that I used repress my sensitivity and my feeling for people, I try my best to be detached and be indifferent but later realize that I don’t enjoy it, so I’m working on being more comfortable with people and work on self-love. And TBH, I kinda get crushes with every guy I meet, I would daydream about it. I’m only 19, still need to understand my 12th house little more.

cancirca
cancirca

Venus conjunct Saturn in 12th. Multiple clandestine and inherently difficult affairs with older men as a young woman? Check! …. also, used to totally repress my femininity in work environments, but have reversed that completely now. Problems and also obsession with own escapism/self-discipline throughout adult life = repressed Saturn?

cancirca
cancirca

(12th is Gemini)

Also, tons of unrequited love, long-term longing for unavailable men, daydreamy crushes as a young woman… didn’t really sort this out till in my 30’s.

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

Wow, also uncanny similarities here. Learning so much from these comments!

Aquarpio
Aquarpio

I’m Aqua Sun, Venus in my 11th house, Capricorn. I always used to have crushes on every guy and daydream allllll day and night. Totally hated myself but was unaware to what extent until about 30 and then I totally fell in love, was devastated by the ending (which was definitely very much partly created by my self-hating). Now I love myself (most of the time and still trying harder), have many less crushes and daydreams (which I have to say might be some kind of “learning to come into reality because of loving myself more”) and less daydreamy. I… Read more »

Savannah
Savannah

Ascendant in Cancer, moon in 12th. Then the house positions say Gemini.

Love of romance, tick.

saggigal
saggigal

hmm, i always get a bit confused with my 12th house/Asc…. Because my asc falls in such late aries it means my 12th house is also aries! (and so obviously 12th house cusp). i get totally confused about this- how can aries be the sign for both my Asc AND my 12th house? but it is, because my south node is in aries too. what i DO know is that i have done alot of work around ensuring my gung-ho persona doesnt ‘trip me up’ by misrepresenting me- i can come across alot more aggressive/full on than i actually am… Read more »

whatever
whatever

I do too – gemini asc at 12 degrees but gem starts in the 12th with the lovely lilith conjunct asc but nothing else in the 12th or 1st and lilith aspects nada which is probably a blessing. The secrets thing resonates – I’ve had whole relationships with people that no-one else ever knew were going on and we’re not talking a fling – for years some of them went on for – lovely secret liaisons – nothing sordid to the secret thing just added some intrigue to the whole production, what if we get caught etc. – only once… Read more »

whatever
whatever

O and big ups to you for working on the gung ho thing saggi gal – I kinda like that about you, it’s breezy and invigorating but can see how others may feel diminished in the sheer energy of your presence. Don’t be too hard on yourself tho – is it about you being so full of energy or is it about them feeling depleted of it? It can’t be always about adapting to others – sometimes our authentic person can’t please em all. Or maybe that’s my lower fuq em all gemini asc talking LOL

saggigal
saggigal

thanks whatever…its about me being aligned with my true self, then it doesnt matter how my energy is…the problems only arise when im caught in a defensiveness/tense/ something else vibe and then i can come across in a way that misrepresents how soft i can actually be. the aries energy is so bombastic that it can overtake the complexities of the actual feelings involved.

whatever
whatever

O I like that play on words – the problems only arise / aries

Leonine Librarian
Leonine Librarian

yeah saggigal, I’ve got Taurus both rising and in the 12th house…atm I have bugger all insights though.

unpredictable pisces
unpredictable pisces

Me too, I have v late Gem ascendant, thus most of gemini is 12th house. I would take the 12th house cusp to be the line between 11th and 12th house? Any thoughts? this means for me, Taurus is on the cusp. And I do struggle with Taureans, lovely they now seem to be. (I always feel like a flake around them, same as librans.) No planets in 12th, 1st or 2nd house except an asteroid maybe. I read horoscopes as though Cancer is my rising sign however, this way my houses seem to line up, but that also means… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

hey un.pisces, i do a similar thing- i often read the horoscope for taurus because the actual transits (planets /houses etc) are the same as my personal house line up. (ie, for me at the mo Saturn in Virgo is in the 5th- just like the Taurus sun horoscope.)

taurusPessa
taurusPessa

yes I have jupiter in Aries in the 12th…

ariesartist
ariesartist

I have my sun in 12th. There is a lot of negative interpretation of this, sort of shooting yourself in the foot kind of stuff.

Certainly I tend not to get public recognition for my work- eg. TWICE I have had artwork not documented by galleries, left out of all the images of the show. Both times interstate where I could not do my own.

Anonymous
Anonymous

ooo am curious! but also don’t get it . . .

I have Uranus (in Scorpio?) in the 12th.
Any thoughts I would really appreciate!
From what I read, sounds hmm, rich . . .

toro/sag lady

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

Scorp Uranus in 12th, Anon… With my tongue planted in my cheek… Perhaps you keep your creativity in the bedroom a secret??

HappylittleRam
HappylittleRam

Oh I have the same! Uranus in Scorpio in 12th, maybe we were born in the same year? Does it work like that?

I’d like to know what it means, it sounds kind of ominous to me…

aries/sag lady

Anonymous
Anonymous

’79!?

I’m liking the intuitive flash work of uranus – working with the 12th house – of assistance to the soul work – scorpio at work . . .

secrets or, reticence about my past nearly undid my rship – complete devastation there for a bit but thankfully thankfully, we are healing from that horror – a bloody big lesson that one!

far out, the more I think of it, the more I think Lexicorn just nailed it . . . eek

Lexicorn
Lexicorn

All of us younger members of Generation X have Uranus in Scorpio. In 81 it moved into Sagittarius and spawned Generation Y.

cuspy gem
cuspy gem

Suddenly makes so much sense! I’m born in 81 but Uranus was still in Scorp, no wonder I only get along with peeps a few years older than me!

shell
shell

perhaps an appropriate place to ask.
I have saturn in my 12th, but at 28 cancer 38, it is just off my ascendent at 0 leo 32.
How close to the end of a house/sign do you go before you whack a planet into the next one. ie, do i read that saturn as in 1st or 12th?
ta

sun Pisces, moon Aries, Leo rising
sun Pisces, moon Aries, Leo rising

So bizarre!! I also have Saturn in my 12th at 26 Cancer 32, just off my ascendant at 0 Leo 45.
Mystic told me this causes self-esteem issues.

shell
shell

yes, can see that.
In the aries in the 9th I’m a super nerd, oh but maybe I’m not stuff we were talking about earlier perhaps?

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