Bad Guru Syndrome

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I bitched it up re Bad Guru syndrome someplace in the Comments recently. My personal Grudge Flashpoint is pass-agg, controlling New Agie guys in muslin pants who sigh a lot in sort of faux empathy & talk a good game about their stupendous tantric-kundalini rooting skills BUT they resort REAL fast to ye olde “you must be frigid” drivel upon rejection.

There are variations of this gent but they all like to use the Occult/psychology etc to manipulate people (usually young girls or naive women) into the sack. I had one Bad Guru tell me I was fuqing with my karma by not “honouring the connection” between us. Another did my Tarot and managed to mis-read the whole thing to say it was about our growing sexual attraction. Vile.

Yes, yes i know women do this sort of thing too. But they are less likely to be sexual predators and more into psychic vamping i.m.o.

I get e-mails ALL the time from peeps saying “HELP” as some fairground psychic took a quick peek at an ephemeris and pronounced said person to be destined to be forever poor or not to have a loving relationship due to karmic shit etc etc. So I have to sit there and say i don’t even know what there is IN this chart to indicate it. I mean, you could technically argue that Saturn someplace is bound to be problematic until you sort it but the truth is that once sorted, your Saturn area becomes your shining pride & joy.

I am not saying i am the greatest astrologer in the world but i think there is something so vile with Bad Guru Syndrome; people are taking these amazing & magical tools but using them to manipulate or control someone. Beware the Control Freak healer/guru whatevs. And, do dish, on any of your own Bad Guru Syndrome experiences, please.  Ages ago i postulated that an awesome amount of famous Bad Gurus are/were Taurean men but i have not the inclination to trawl through them checking birth-dates again right now. It would send my Dark Moon PMT situation to Defcon 5.

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ChittyChittyBangBang
ChittyChittyBangBang

Thank goodness for this article. I think it should be reposted. As a professional and ethical Witch/Healer/Medium here in Los Angeles. I am now more than ever being contacted by women and some men, more than ever, because of their traumatic experiences with a Bad Guru. For some reason they decide I’m the one to help them get their faith back, and want me to help them fix the damage done by said Bad Guru. While it is an epidemic of sorts, I do believe it might be part of the clients lessons on their path to have these encounters.… Read more »

confusedcap
confusedcap

Oh I missed this gem a few weeks back.

Pluto Puppy
Pluto Puppy

The whole basis of “Bad Guru” does not omit Astrological rape either. The business of astrology through the mainstream is treated like fortune telling. Like some magical calculation which is interpreted from a natal chart and other “Mystic” tools. All are marketing schemes. All are in it to foster public attraction and hopefully a nice fat profit. Marketing astrology for political kicks is the real “Bad Guru” pervading the minds of people for decades. There are many flaws with Gurus writing astrological quips, stories, notes, columns and guidelines for the blind-amusement of other people everyday. I don’t see nor hear… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

WHAT IS YU MSN?

pegasus
pegasus

Oh David, of course he is. Didn’t see that at first.
Yes that is an excersise but i was shown it with the eyes closed so as
to be looking into the 3rd eye space.
Tantric/Kundalini Yoga has many unusual facial expressions for various reasons, duh.
Kali with her tongue stretched out……etc.

davidl
davidl

either that or he’s saying, ‘stop the cameras I just sat on my left testicle’ !

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

😆 that’d make his eyes cross or maybe water…..

fluid feline
fluid feline

Creepiest pic I’ve seen posted to date on this site Myst. It’s always the eyes. and davidl I’ve explained my spazi attack on later post to you.

pegasus
pegasus

THAT’S what it is………he looks like Manson. OMG.

davidl
davidl

He’s just doing the cross eyed thing, come on you know, cross eyed meditation is big with the mytics

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

A right/left brain synchro…

All I’ve ever longed for here on the net, is a crossed eyed emo-con…

Danged if I’ve seen one….

pegasus
pegasus

That man in the photo has very scrary eyes. Maybe i won’t go to India but back
to my beloved ‘children’ in French Polynesia. My island Home.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

My first thoughts exactly pegasus as thought if that man came at me with his hand out and those “zoid” (freakazoid) eyes, I’d be runnin’ faster than from Charile Manson himself…

My exp. has been that an enlightened teacher does not need to even touch one to make a difference. Let alone screw…..

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

uru…

that’s cute…..and good…

pegasus
pegasus

Ain’t THAT the truth, David. Have fallen down some holes in the past in my Tantric exploration. Was invited to ‘The Fountain Group’ an Adders esoteric send light at 10am & 4pm to the water fountain in Victoria Square (heart of CBD). A bloke gravitated to me started talking Ascensionism, told me he was a Tantric Master & really made a pitch. Wrote them a letter after to ask if this was a ‘New Age pick-up place’. Again, an invite for a talk on the OTO. Took my beloved crystal egg to absorb information placed on my lap (also had… Read more »

davidl
davidl

Ive always had one rule with so called spiritual gurus..If there is money or sex involved they are basically charlatans.

no name brand
no name brand

charlatans are ok if you enter into it knowingly for a a bit of fun though.

davidl
davidl

as long as your wearing teflon and none of the shit sticks. You become what you mix with, full stop.

no name brand
no name brand

i think there are ways of negotiating situations without “becoming” them – sometimes you are simply a witness not a cohort or accessory.

I love the way you spelled that punctuation out davidl – just in case i forgot i was reading a sentence? ;o) I went to that flakey school in the 70s that didn’t teach punctuation so this is an ideal approach for a victim of experimental scholastic theories.

fluid feline
fluid feline

davidl I think you get a big ego boost being one of theonly boys to blog here – non, though I must admit you display perfect partner qualities if not a little temper temper and impatience. Lots of knowledge tho and it shines through that Gem asc, so keep on giving it to us. xx

davidl
davidl

In what way would I be getting an ego boost ? seriously ? This is the 2nd comment about my ego you know, or is it the 3rd ? It is funny though coming from a leo.. Please explain ?

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

hehe I’d say just the opposite is true for David. He’s delightful but we do sometimes give him a hard time. That wouldn’t be ego lifting

fallen angel
fallen angel

Gasp. Where do I begin…? Since we’re chockful of men in muslin pants, I’ll draw from the other side of the line to those in a dress i.e. my Catholic childhood. As everyone may know, Catholic clergy take a vow of celibacy, it is completely enforced (and IMO, a superb way for the church to control not only peeps but anything they acquire). So it is the oddest thing to see parish priests usually surrounded by a clutch of women, all in the name of piety, tending to his needs. Whether its dinner or laundry or whatever, and I suspect… Read more »

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

Druidic judges or brehons were both male and female equally respected. One of the brehon laws that makes me smile is that a man was fined for not bedding his wife when she requested but not vice versa.

fallen angel
fallen angel

I can’t say I disagree 🙂

tigercrab
tigercrab

My heart goes out to all the weak and innocent who have suffered as a result of trusting in these vile predators.
We yearn for that spiritual and human connection and in that yearning we at times overlook the obvious.
I give thanks daily for being blessed with an amazing “bullshit detector” so have never been caught up in any of this misfortune.
I also mostly keep it to myself unless asked as I’ve been accused of being “distrusting” – and then the truth comes out and I think why can’t others see this too ? perhaps it’s the kataka sun/ pisces moon.
tigercrab

Ms Motown
Ms Motown

I am hunting for a good Wicca organisation in the inner suburbs of Melb. Can’t seem to find one. I know they are here as I see there ceremonial sites along Merri Creek on my walks. I wanna be a part of it. But no creepy Crowley-ites purr-leese~!

Lexicon Limbo
Lexicon Limbo

When I was in my early 20’s a group of friends & I used to go to a psychic cafe in Gosford. I had a tarot reading with this guy, who gave me his number & made out he had ‘further information’ for me. Of course, I called and he strung me along & wanted to meet me for a drink etc and I clued in to what he was doing. I was so appalled as he seemed like such a nice genuine guy, it was all such a facade, and I was horrified that he might actually succeed in… Read more »

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

I’ve always had extreme reservations about any men becoming involved in wicca LL. The whole male perception is foreign to the gentleness and connectedness of all living things and I’ve found that those involved seem to want to introduce rules and regulation (their own) and set up hierarchies to strut their stuff, seemingly ignoring and suppressing the feminine powers often surrounding them. I know of two such in SE qld and have watched and smiled as their tiny empires crumbled. They just don’t get it.

prowlncat
prowlncat

and don’t they always love all the ceremonial aspects and get all worked up about the importance of “doing the work” skyclad .. meh

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

David Buckland is quoted as saying ” it must be awfully weak power or magic if it’s hampered by a few layers of clothing”

no name brand
no name brand

This doesn’t sit well with me – wicca is about embracing the whole not separatism from the masculine or feminine. Peeps who misuse power can be found in all modalities.

Without the sun we would not see the moon.

monte
monte

“The whole male perception is foreign to the gentleness and connectedness of all living things…”

I am sorry. But if anyone ever finds this post at least there is a reply saying ‘what a load of fuqing bollocks’.

sweetpea
sweetpea

So agree Monte…..Quite frankly, there were several things I never agreed with Chesire Cap on…oh well….

My spiritual teacher was/is male….In a workshop one time, someone made a comment about men (don’t remember what it was but it was a general stereotype) and he said CORRECTION…Men have been abused also by more sinister forces…not just the women…

I also didn’t care for one thing Agnes Whistling Elk said to Lynn V. Andrews in one of her books….”never say you’re sorry to a man”…

Why? A bit extreme I think…

davidl
davidl

a psychic cafe in Gosford ? that cracks me up..

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

Pegs, I try to use your principal even with friends/visitors to my house not only for them but it also makes me feel great to wave them off with them laughing and smiling all stress momentarily gone.

pegasus
pegasus

My Tantric Yoga teacher put my back into severe spasm from overworking a position (not sexual), never went back. I new age chiro/osteo did the same (never took a case history) so badly was out for the count 6 weeks! Went to a remedial masseuse who started talking tarot. Told her that was NOT what i came for. Other Chiro told me never ever to wear heels, then saw her out partying in spikes. Other chiro told me i had nematodes (wormy things) & put a magnetic pad over my tummy. Never went back…………the list from 15 years ago is… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

here here pegasus .. it’s all in the mind, or the culture we live in focusing on disease like mentality coercing us to believe there’s stuff wrong when there ain’t. God/dess resides within methinks.

margy the cap
margy the cap

Aaahhh Mystic, time for work again, i go with a smile and a giggle. If ever you do need relief from PMT Defcon 5 just re read your own words, they are bound to put a smile on your face or just giggle.

seabird
seabird

20 years old, vulnerable, almightily and clinically depressed and walking through Pitt Street Mall at lunch time, a man walked up to me and told me that I had an incredible white light around my head. He then told me he was an American Indian (looked and sounded like one) and because of my white light I should come to his house and we should talk. On the way to his house in Redfern he told me that his wife and child had died recently in a car accident in France and he was on a spiritual journey around the… Read more »

Ms.Nikita
Ms.Nikita

OMG The world is littered with these guys!!! I had such a problem when I was growing up in Australia with this bollucks Often found at places like confest, where sexually preditorial behaviour is constantly excused because they are self proclaimed gurus and all women not conforming to this are not intune with her inner goddess (you know the nice hot one that shags everyone one they made up in their head) I can guarantee I can stand in a room for 5 min on my own at certain events when one of these guys will start his rant, ask… Read more »

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

and with you prowln’ xx

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

chuckle….I had a cheesecloth wearing jesus clone look into my eyes at a dinner party and ooze at me that I had a beautiful aura….I leaned closer, looked into his eyes and oozed back that it wasn’t an aura, it was a forcefield.

prowlncat
prowlncat

may the force be with you cheshire. hehe

scorpalicious robot
scorpalicious robot

nice to see you back CC. Missed you!

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

thanks so sweet scorpy r, I’ve missed you too. It’s been hectic but fantastic with only a few hick-ups and I’ve had gremlins in my computer. My intro to new taureans world was to arrive at his house after a 6 1/2 hour drive to discover that a possum had gone to possum paradise leaving it’s decomposing body in the ceiling. It wasn’t the welcome my poor darling had planned.

Sweetpea
Sweetpea

ha,ha

That’ll quell the ‘ol snake charmer…

Was just thinking about you yesterday CC!

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

you guys are good for my soul xox

fluid feline
fluid feline

Uber, I feel sick to the core – just know that could well be occuring and you confirmed it. Please do what you can and spread the word. I agree there are many decent healers. I have exact problem with trusting healers and am using traditional (sat conj asc in pisces) when I could probably speed up healing with hands on plus psychotherapy, but don’t totally trust alternate medical world. However, must say I am having great results with Irish psychotherapist (i.e. psychiatrist – beautiful persoh) , but know I have bodily pain that needs release too. BUT how long… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Don’t get me started Mystic. (I’m trying to have an early night) Unfortunately never got the birth details of gurus I’ve met, except for one Sagg. But have met too many. I have mars neptune conjunct in Scorp in the 11th house, which Christine Broadbent picked up on as a tendency to come a cropper with spiritual focus groups – a serial occurence for this Sagg rising idealist. Fondness for integrity and truth causes friction every time. Anyway, will say that the worst trick I’ve seen, which seems to give these sleazes the same sort of gratification as bedding their… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

ok now Uber .. may I remind you of my standpoint that archetype and myth can be dangerous?

I know you’re gonna hate me for that…

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Why would I hate you prowln? You’re welcome to your standpoint. These men are dangerous. When they used archetypes etc they distorted or misrepresented them for their own purposes. Again, it wasn’t the archetypes that were dangerous, or spiritual pursuit for that matter, it’s the lack of integrity of the people abusing those things and preying on the ignorance and vulnerability of others. You can’t write off spirituality and mythology just because people misuse it. Or maybe you can personally, but that’s a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. According to your reasoning, astrology is dangerous too,… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

Astrology is not based on mythology nor archetype. It was created via a form of pure mathematics and science that even we can’t get our heads around today.

I love astrology because it’s pure reasoning, created by people in an age who had the time for pure reasoning. Or perhaps … the aliens came down to help ’em out. heh

Myth and archetype are just crude human forms for explaining that which cannot be explained which is why it’s dangerous. It half explains half of something without saying anything true or real or fundamentally useful about anything.

cheshire cap
cheshire cap

Astrology is based on math and archetype. To my way of thinking, each explanation and description for planet and zodiac sign is archetype in a pure form reaching back eons.

prowlncat
prowlncat

it’s true that reading and interpretation of the movements of the planets and the cosmos started as soon as some bright spark started to note it down. And there were many bright sparks. Crossing all cultural boundaries. Every culture may have it’s own archetype for describing the same phenomenon. But that’s just a human description, which again varies from culture to culture.

The phenomenon itself remains pure and of itself.

no name brand
no name brand

deep cheshire – deep and good

nat
nat

NNB/OB, seabird, saggigal and others thanks for sharing your stories – and thank goodness you walked away to tell the tale! That IS taking your destiny into your own hands. Uber, I just read the guru-gone-wrong story in the link you provided. Bloody hell, truly awful. What a manipulative, fake, deluded, narcissistic sociopath this old bastard was. I don’t understand what motivates these people to commit such huge acts of deceit on others, especially in the name of helping others, but there must be something about using the guise of a ‘guru’ or a ‘spiritual healer’ etc. that works on… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

yeah, re: the like attracts like thing, it makes me think of that saying, the one about bad boys? a woman says ‘i dont know why i keep attracting bad boys into my life?’ and the therapist says ‘its not that you attract them, its that you let them into your house.” ie, yeah, attraction (energetic) happens because of all manner of reasons, and yes when in a vulnerable state(even if overtly hiding that you’re vulnerable) and looking for answers/healing to suffering/sad etc then these ppeps will pop up to ‘help’. pure predator stuff. without even going into the more… Read more »

Über Virgo
Über Virgo

Hi nat, Yeah Yogendra, from the article above was very convincing. I know his doctor and he told me that even his inner sanctum weren’t aware of the extent of his crooked dealings. And probably what doesn’t come across from the article is that the followers WERE getting something out of the interaction, apart from working for little money etc. He ran two big health clinics staffed by psychologists and some excellent doctors who belonged to his group, in addition to a school, and those organizations did good work. I went to the yoga classes for about a year, and… Read more »

nat
nat

Very interesting Uber. It would be fascinating to look at exactly who was complicit in covering up the double standards (and the embezzlement) of the bad guru, provided they would be open & honest about it now. Deceit & deception are everywhere, you are right. I think conscious deceit of others (as opposed to the delusions we create for ourselves) does cause damage at a fundamental level… one can certainly learn from it but it does hurt us I believe. Maybe its the betrayal of trust that hurts the most? Or maybe that is just my naive Moon in Aries… Read more »

no name brand
no name brand

The thing that has always struck me about my experience with the yoga woman in particular is that I have medical sensitive abilities and although I never did it in my work because I don’t believe it is right because I am not a doctor I have successfully pin pointed illness that had not yet manifested in the physical realms in people. I have often wondered if the thing she was seeing in me was a reflection of what had happened to her. Hall of mirrors and all that – her scar was not a caesarian one and she had… Read more »

prowlncat
prowlncat

But REALLY … those abs

prowlncat
prowlncat

Mind you the bad guru above would be kinda cute sans the beard and the rasta dreads. Cool vacant Neptunian eyes. Nice nose. I bet he’s a Leo. Has anybody noticed that Leos tend to have flat/aquiline noses??

I’m so going to suck at this celibacy thing…

prowlncat
prowlncat

Absolutely with Mystic and Saggi. My first experience at the tender age of 15 was mainly to do with wanting to learn meditation in an eastern philosophy based organisation. It was all good, until “they” noticed I was becoming a regular and then the inculcation began …. oh you must be vegetarian (that I didn’t mind so much) … but the “now to experience true connection to the soul and enlightenment you must be celibate” made me run so fast I left skid marks in the carpet. I hadn’t even had sex yet for fark sakes! Since then I’ve always… Read more »

no name brand
no name brand

u know it’s weird two of mine have been women – there was that tantric sex guy but I was outta there as soon as I was satisfied – can you be a bad disciple? I had an “aura reader” detail a desperate and frightening series of past lives most of which involved me being impaled – on a ghengis khan style mongolian sword, there was some kind of similar forced to have sex with the indians story and another one at knife point and then she went on to detail an experience from my present day childhood and suggested… Read more »

no name brand
no name brand

o and yes if I had to guess their sign they were what I always think is classic pass aggressive taurus. Not that taureans are all pass agg just that when they are they do it in style.

Blossom
Blossom

Thanks sweetie.

no name brand
no name brand

mmm yes important to try not to generalise lest ye offend – if it’s any consolation my sign is apparently most likely to be fickle or deeply flawed in love or something or maybe it’s just slutty and unreliable I can’t remember now

Blossom
Blossom

But I can do it in real style – more to do with mars methinks! Having sun at just 1 degree I’m not always keen to assume the toro stereotype. Still, vile is as vile does, regardless of sign.

Blossom
Blossom

“I am not saying i am the greatest astrologer in the world”

OK then I will “You are the greatest astologer in the world” by my humble reckoning. The breadth and range of your knowledge, and your ability to home in on pertinent details is simply awesome. If others had a tenth of your talent they would be merely very good.

fluid feline
fluid feline

I second that Bloss, and I’ve been around astrology for some time – started 30 years ago. My God, I’m ancient, except now that doesn’t scare me like it did at 30. I still think of myself as 33. You know when you hear news reports and they mention ages – always shocked when it’s my age – blah – I’ll admit 44 – just feel 33. Curiously I was 33 when I gave birth to my first child, a daughter. Vanity will make me say that peeps always think I’m younger, but I think its my conjunction of planets… Read more »

fallen angel
fallen angel

Divine M, it is so true! Wots actually lovely is your marriage of the esoteric and the practical, of truth and beauty with nuts and bolts. And SANS the horrendous moralistic guilting that many astros seem to indulge in these days!

I once had one tell me that my love life hinged on me dating as many peeps as possible. You think? A baseball coach could’ve told me that, no? Law of Averages et al.

And finally, you are inspirational darling. Truly truly ever.

monte
monte

MM knows her astro but I was unaware of it being a competitive sport. Can we at least have something where there is no such thing as the best?

anonymous
anonymous

agree with you Monte. Such a ridiculous notion isn’t it!

I find the obsequious flattery that goes on here very distasteful.

aquaquaqua
aquaquaqua

OHMYGOD. i have just managed to extract myself from a two tin cans and a piece of string “connection” that was a taurean man who thought we had soul history that needed fixin. it wasn’t ominous, more kind of fun but lots of flim flam shilly shally. ultimately hes waiting for his soul mate…. “karma tits” as mystic called her once very fetchingly, hahahaha, and KT can have him. hes back in the online place he found me in, constantly, i think he has a digital sleeping bag and just opens his eyes every hour on the hour to see… Read more »

saggigal
saggigal

oh mystic i know EXACTLY the men you speak of. they make my skin crawl and i have encountere a fair few of them around so called spiritual pursuits. my conclusion i finally came to was that ego is ego no matter what you dress it up as, and anyone using anything to manipulate others is not spiritual no matter what they be preaching. to this day any man with a pony tail gives me the creeps. that said, my yuckiest bad guru experience was with a woman, and shouldve trusted my gut instincts to get away from her as… Read more »

Janinegsmile
Janinegsmile

Oh boy..
I guess we all get one of these ” types ” in our lifetime. They have the appearance of being saintly, grounded, centered, fun and other worldly. They can travel to India, wear their garb, take classes from well known guru’s but ultimately they are soulless. Talk to their ex’s..we all know the truth and the dirt..Signed..Been there, done that and never again!

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