Janis Did Neptune
We’ve talked before about the notorious talents, crazy-bats love crap and addictions of Mars-Neptune Men. Squares from Neptune to Mars in particular can be problematic to the point that you’d want to check yourself if you saw it in a guy you were dating. (Mars = Men). We’ve also surmised that the wild-womanly version would be a tricky Venus-Uranus square.
But here lies (on the couch) Janis Joplin – vintage embodiment of outrageous talent and a taste for the Blue Devil Hoochie Juice, Space Dust, Mr or Ms Wrong and so forth. She has got a loose Mars Neptune square BUT Neptune is exact square her Moon. She had her Muse and she had her Demon. Or is Neptune both? Where-ever you see the peeps who are the most amazingly culturally resonant, adored by a mass audience and whose music seems to speak to a whole generation (the Pluto in Leos, in the case of Janis), there you see also a strong Neptune.
A Neptune square is like a beautiful beach but there is a very sudden and steep drop off point into darker waters and a deeper ocean beyond. That very same mojo that allows them to tap the collective subconscious also pulls them into dodgy druggy depths. But not always! If you have a strong Neptune, remember this: your vibe is that of a Medium or an Artist. Substances that some people take to get high or to relax are maybe to coarse for your refined aura. Or could it also be that peeps take this stuff to get more like how you are naturally anyway?
If you’re having Neptune transit, ha-ha, guess who can’t handle their toxins anymore?! But obviously, this is not a bad thing at all. The idea of deliberately keeping a pure, raw, clean high consciousness to get your Neptune Awesome on in art and spirituality is just incredible.
Back to JJ, i sometimes wonder if practically ALL of the great cultural icons were not Mars-Moon Neptune square type people, both haunted by their demons and ghosts who continue to haunt society. Or is it just because the others sober up, lose their youthful pretty and live on long enough to bore the media that once hounded them?
Thoughts?
Oh and here is Marilyn – the ultimate poster-girl for Neptune…She had Neptune Rising in Leo – opposite Jupiter and her Moon in Aquarius, square her Saturn and quincunx her Mars. Neptune’s Bitch, may she r.i.p.
Neptune square sun and trine venus…It makes sense that I cannot handle blue devil hoochie juice, space dust or even a bit of grass. It’s too much for me, and I relax naturally through yoga, meditation, and lucid dreaming..
That’s surreal AVR because I’m also Aries with Virgo rising and I can’t handle my intoxicants either! Always get my biggest highs from eating healthy, yoga & meditation. It’s like I’m a straightedge tripper!
We get high on life
Neptune square Venus. Am currently sitting in a deep blue room the feng shui lady dubbed the “womb room.” She says she likes that it’s subterranean as it suits me. I intend to make it my bedroom but more to do on that than will get done tonight. I have beer, cigs, and pot on hand while I meditate in front of an enormous gilded mirror. I can’t seem to move out of the 12th house. But I am a Virgo. Leading user research session for work bright and early tomorrow. I seem to be here, in this society, but never quite.
neptune square mars. someone help me off my addictions (alcohol, weed, toxic men).
only you can do that babe
i know.
tryin’ my best. although Mars and Neptune transits both vitalize and fuck me up. Right now Neptune is squaring both my natal Saturn and Uranus.
Trying is so tough right now, but I’m doing my best.
Iiiiinteresting. I have Neptune conjunct my Sun and Mercury. And with that loaded 3rd House in Scorpio its pretty much all about communicating with intensity…
Got an interesting reading from the IChing this morning as well – when I asked it about the Zap Zone and how I should handle it… I got 59 Dispersing, Unchanging !!
From Hillary Barret I got ” Where are the Wall in this situation, and what can you see as they dissolve away ? As energy and vitality is liberated from old boundaries, where will it go ?”
From R.L. Wing I got “Those involved in creative projects should now concern themselves with communicating….Look for the symbols, rhythms and patterns that have inspired men for all times and incorporate them into your work. Make a sincere attempt to meet the social responsibility of the artists :REUNITING people with their reality”
Which is very interesting, as I am making my motto for my work “Shine A Light In The World” and am working with porcelain due to its translucency.
I actually sat down to write an Artist’s Statement yesterday – mostly for my own clarity and this is what I got:
“I work in porcelain clay to create pieces which people will use everyday. I think that it is very important for the things that we use everyday to be beautiful as well as practical.
When people see my work, I’d like them to experience the same sense of pleasure and calmness that I get from creating it.
I’d like to think that every time their eye falls on one of my pieces, it gives them pleasure, they smile; and that experience is available to them many times a day as they use my cups, bowls, plates, candleholders in their everyday life.
I came to ceramics out of a Spiritual pathway, which I am still exploring, and so for me, my guiding principle is “Shine A Light In The World”. Every time I make a piece, or start exploring the creation of a new series, I ask myself “Will this shine a light in the world ? How will it shine that light ?”
This is one of the reasons I work solely in porcelain – because it is translucent, and so allows light to shine through….
I want my work to uplift and inspire people. I want them to experience a deep joy and sense of inner peace as they use it.
For this reason, I use a very calm, cooling palette of colours, inspired by the sea and the sky. I also like my work to have a delightfully tactile quality – I like it to please the hand as well as the eye, and so I constantly experiment with forms and with textures in order to achieve this.”
I really *can* feel a convergence happening here….
Sorry for the loooong post
I’m overexcited and always talk too much when I’m happy !
yes this is truth thank you! I see You!
Sounds wonderful do you have a website or examples of this work?
Thanks guys
No I don’t – the work I am producing at the moment is fit for glazing practice only
I’m getting my paws on a wheel in a month’s time & am hoping to get stuff up on Etsy by Xmas
I’ll post when I do – I’ve bent everyone’s ears enough about this here, that the least I can do is get some photos up !!
I have Mars-Pluto-Uranus square Venus and am not wild in the slightest (maybe cause M/P/U are all in Virgo?) but I am extremely independent and have spent most of my life not in a relationship. Could that be a Uranus-Venus thing or is it more Virgo? I also have my Moon square/Mars-Pluto quincunx Neptune and stay well away from the blue devil hoochie juice cause it actually disagrees with me. I have definitely struggled in my life with delusion and fantasy wrt my career with Neptune in my 10th house (but if you don’t dream it, you’ll never do it, right?) So I guess I’m a bit of a Neptune girl and never knew it. This explains why as a multiair sign I pick up the Page of Cups as much as the Page of Swords when dealing a Tarot card to represent myself, lol.
Why not try some of this Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction. Or for that matter another form of Spiritualism.– just don’t talk to everyone about it. Your sex life will improve (with the higher octave of venus in the 10th)
Cool post.
I have neptune in sagg, in my 6th house… Tried my fair share of mind altering substances but like aries virgo rising above, I fare best with the natural highs.
I have an exact square from Neptune to my Pisces Moon.
I doubt I vibe Medium or Artist. In fact I think most people fail to even register there is a vague squishy inside to my demeanour.
I do wish I had a beautiful beach inside of me though (or just outside the door would be even better). Drop offs are fine, they make for interesting geological formations.
aah sweetie mars square neptune sees your squishy and raises a glass to it xxx
*clink* cheers doll.
Your Neptune note taking sounds a treat.
I have the same thing – Neptune in Sag in a very tight conjunction with Mars both in first house ruled by Scorpio square my moon in Pisces
Mars-Neptune also makes a loose opposition to my ruling planet in Gemini, but they get nice support from trine Pluto -though I can’t be entirely sure that’s a good thing.
I don’t think I vibe famous, but I’m sure I’m polarising, unique and uncompromising. When I make a statement, people know I meant it, to the point of hilarity
I am bluntly honest, admit my weaknesses and am a tough mistress. I can also be very supportive and pursue higher ideals successfully on the physical plane. And that’s probably the most honest I’ve been about my character for a while.
your honesty becomes you.
Neptune in scorp in a t-square with sun, merc in leo & aqua moon…yes as a child I used to be chided for daydreaming & going into a trance when I sipped my hot tea… as a teen I was amazingly creative in art & fashion & as an adult I realised my ego needed bolstering, not dissolving. If ever I took drugs it was surprisingly shamanic- so much for recreation! Now, I wake up every morning receptive to whatever role the universe wants me to play & mostly neptune & I are simpatico.
My Sag daughter is aqua moon/neptune square a scorp mars in the 12th. O she has uranus square venus rising as well…she is my angel, but is she a star?!
I am Pisces Venus Chiron Rising and Neptune claims the highest number of aspects in my chart. Currently conjunct my Venus, natal Neptune squares both my Saturn and Mars. Saturn is not strong in my chart but the square likely saves me from getting hooked into addictions. Actually I have a difficult time physically with liquor, drugs, fumes, and some chemical additives to food.
I have Neptune opposite saturn. .24 degrees. Which I think is exact enough. Plus Neputne a couple of degrees away from Jupiter – both in the third house.
I like mind altering substances. I like altered states of consciousness through any medium really whether it’s estatic dance, ritual, herbs, meditation, booze or drugs.
the only substance or practice i’ve ever been addicted to has been weed but i beat it. It almost beat me around my Saturn return. I got back on track through energy work and spiritual practices which makes sense cause Saturn is in my ninth.
LOL I lived on Oak Street, just a few blocks from Janis’ old apartment in Haight Ashbury. Of course that was 25 years before I lived in the neighborhood, but everyone knew where these places were. I’ll show it to you on Google Street View:
http://tinyurl.com/8h7onpt
Anyway, I’m still wondering what to think about Neptune in Scorpio conjunct my IC and N Node, in exact opposition to Mercury at my MC. I’d worry about my Neptune square Uranus on my Ascendant, but everyone near my age has that aspect.
howdy ex neighbor! (oak and buchanan)
Ah! Janis! I’ve been fascinated with her since I was literally three years old and had learned by then, somehow, to work my hippie parents’ record player and would put her record ‘Pearl’ on and dance around the house and would just stare at the record cover, riveted, like ‘who IS this person..?’ Her singing got right to me, even then…. Now, as an adult, I live in San Francisco, so maybe I wander by some places that she haunted and still does…..?
I have Moon in early Pisces, starting to be transited by Neptune in early Pisces……I keep this in mind, daily, because I’ve always been sensitive to alcohol and drugs, and mostly avoid them. A message from Spirit one night said to me of alcohol: ‘It does not serve you..’
Also, I am reminded every day of the down-side of drugs and alcohol as I am a health care provider and work with addicts.
Anyway…….I have noticed as I’ve gotten older that my body does not process toxins very well….maybe not a strong liver, or something…..so, generally, the party is over for me…
I live in an alcohol and drug lovin’ city, though, so sometimes it’s around…..what also around here, though, by great degree, is art and spirit –as you mention– and I do a lot of yoga, mediation, and devotional singing…….. A late great friend of mine once said: ‘It’s good to have a balance of hedonism and asceticism in your life’ ….he had Pisces moon as well….unfortunately, he took his own life….he was another brilliant mind, though, and a healer.
I have Neptune in late Scorpio, in loose trine to my Mars, also in Pisces, and the closest aspect my Neptune has to that Pisces Moon of mine is a loose quintile………hmmmm………also have Kataka rising…..watery, watery, watery…
Guh, I forgot to say, I have Neptune in Scorpio also exactly trine Chiron in Pisces, both at 26 degrees. Maybe that’s why I became a healer, first and foremost, instead of expressing all my Pisces stuff in other ways…..though I started out as a young person pursuing the arts, mostly dance….Mars in Pisces exact conjunct MC..
neptune is the drug!!! My progressed moon is in Pisces 7th h now, l know all about love zombies….it’s all in the mind but still …it’s not funny….!!!
my pisces pr. moon made difficult aspects to my natal outer planets this year and is just about to sqaure natal neptune yay!
l feel like l’m hypnotized all the time…deep under, in trance or something, watching lot’s of films, doing illustrations….pheeew l need some fire to get my motors running here!
My progressed chart is all water and earth at the moment and l feel like a rock at the bottom of the ocean :O!!
This is the second time my pr moon is in Pisces last time it was there when l was 7-9 yeras old….l remember being as spaced out as l am now!
l have Neptune opposing gemini Sun/Jupiter/MC in my natal chart… l would stare at myself in a mirror for hours when l was very little probably hypnotizing myself
not funny!
have always loved janis. wonder what mama cass was… a square to jupiter?
mars square neptune natally. What happens on Neptune stays on Neptune. Praise be the heavens for the trine to saturn to clip its wings when it ‘s in full flight. Right now having transiting neptune opposing natal mars and I have bought a special notebook (mars in virgo of course the notebook is ‘special’) and a posh pen to write all my ideas in because there’s no way I can do all these things now but the vision and tangents are so much richer and more detailed than usual that they need to be saved for later.
Neptune Square Sun
Neptune conjunct Sag Ascendant
Neptune sextile Pluto
Does anyone know what that means?
Google it.
omg mystic you are so tuned in! i was just thinking about this neptune square that i have and then i read your article. i finally conquered my weed addiction but my brain chemistry has gone haywire. I simply do not want to use as its so against my virgo sensibility you know? then i do the i-ching and it says to watch out for hidden enemies. So i go to the op shop and see one and ex friend who has a scorpio moon and a devout krishna priest once broke her rib. Anyways i notice she has my missing ring on her finger. I ask her about it and she says she was offered the ring first ( 4 years ago) but has a problem with receiving (unless its a rich obese dentist with a fat bank account) therefore feels it is somehow her ring. I stare at her in disbelief and then go to reach for her bangle as i say, well that bangle likes me maybe i should have it. It falls on the ground and she tells me to f off. i just want to become a buddhist nun as i find that the choices i made in the past are coming back to haunt me. i need redemption and if your reading this please prayer for me. spread the love.x
then i read this about neptune square mars so true
Externally, the native may occasionally also find himself deceived or his boundaries trampled. Neptune has no boundaries and does not understand the term: Mars certainly does have boundaries and becomes very cross when they are not respected. This can result in a native who is taken advantage of, insulted or otherwise violated before he even realizes it has happened, and then must live with the aftermath of the suppressed or unexpressed mars that could not defend itself when it was appropriate to do so. This can lead to passive aggression but also personal entanglements the native has no idea how he got into, and ambivalence about finding a means to get out.
I have Neptune in Saggo in the 7th house opposite my late-Gemini rising. As in, conjunct my descendant. It’s hard, especially when Neptune was in Aqua, to NOT project uber-technicolor fantasies onto people (7th house of relationships). I’ve actually learned that my first impressions of others are HORRIBLE, to the point where I’ve been disappointed repeatedly. Neptune makes them all goobly at first. Then I wake up the next day or whatever and have both a love-hangover and a frowning Virgo moon saying, “You fell for who again, Meg?”
Thank goodness I do have that Virgo moon to keep that Neptune in check. I also spent several years with my husband before marrying and do my best not to project unrealistic fantasies onto him. I’ve learned I create these fantasies in my own head, so I’m responsible for them, not him or anyone else. A tough lesson though, not made any easier by a tight Mars-Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Libra. Yes, this Saturn in Libra transit has been extremely difficult.
However, all that stuff in Libra is trine both my Gem ascendant and Aqua sun. Yes, I do have a Grand Air Trine to help balance Neptune’s gooblyness. Thank goodness! Although I did end up marrying a Pisces ….
Wow, you are so self aware!! I live in a nebulous dreamscape populated by men in armour tilting at windmills! I think they are heroes years after the fact (that they disappointed). But I hope to be rational one day too!
Happily my hub turned out to be a harbour to my choppy seas, I blame Divine Intervention as not even Neptune can poison these waters, Saturnian as he is.
Neptune opp the Asc! I never really noted that before.
It is conjunct my DC in the 6th in Saggi.
Apparently it means I am impressionable, loving and sensitive plus a total love zombie. That may have been true pre ZZ and my Saturn Return but no longer!
Healing therapies strongly indicated by 6th H placement plus trine the MC.
Sun is trine Neptune which is kinda positive as it apparently means artistic qualities BUT Mars squares my Neptune – clearly not.
Apparently I live in fantasy? But with Pisces ruling my 10th house I better know how to succeed in fantasy land.
As for Venus quincunx Neptune.. Omg. Basically I am getting if I didn’t have Venus conjunct Saturn I would be totally Neptune’s Bitch.
p.s. Yes to above comment that others take drugs to get to where you are at! Used to run dance parties, also love to dance and dance all night sober. People would come up and say, ‘wow you have danced for four hours now non-stop, what are you on?’. I gave up saying ‘I had a short bath in basil & lemon essential oils’ as people always thought it was short-hand for megadrugs.
My neptune is square jupiter, sextile pluto, and 4 trines- sun, merc, venus, mars.
I recently used astrodienst’s “additional items” feature to make a natal chart, and the CENTER OF THE GALAXY CONJUNCT NEPTUNE. this freaked me out. MM, is this generational?
Center of the galaxy conjunct neptune?? sounds cool
I have a cardinal Mars Neptune square between Aries and Capricorn. it is of great use to me, honestly. it kept me out of bad drug situations and more in tune with my art and spirituality. Neptune is a great influence if you respect it. You have to prize it over a “conventional” life to really enjoy it, and you have to have the smarts to understand how to work it instead of letting it work you…
Yes! I fall into the strong neptune category department……though some of it is my strong 12th house.
Neptune trines my 12th house moon…..lucid dreams, psychic experiences, energy healer, drugs, fantasy mind, secret crushes.
Neptune quincunx mars….drugs, highs and lows, escapism
that mars and moon are squared. hmmmmmm…….
Have also spent years having spells…..being stoned but sober.
An ex of mine had Mars opposite Neptune (does that count as a square if it’s directly opposite?) and he OD’d
a strong Neptune also in Jim Morrison and Kurt Cobain’s charts…indeed then it sums up what you say about Mystic…
it seems to me like they had no choice than executing what their Muse/Daimon wanted them to do, in a sort of trans-personal, out of egoiness way…and they flourished and blossomed so intensely and rapidly they just had that ‘instant karma’ thing…
no wonder they are still mega icons.
I’ve got a Mars-Neptune Square….a Venus-Neptune Square….a Mercury-Neptune Square….a Moon-Neptune Square….Neptune Rising….A Pisces Moon….
Definitely Neptune’s Bitch……