Titanic Astrology
o.m.g here we go again, with Titanic 3D, right?
It was such a haunting tragedy with so many spooky overtones, I’m officially messed up by any Titanic movie, let alone the ‘ghost’ bit at the end of the James Cameron version.
Cameron is Mercury-Sun-Pluto in Leo, trined by Mars in Saggo. Showmanship to the max. Leos & Cinema have an automatic affinity.
Incidentally, the Sun and Ascendent of cinematic legend Hollywood golden era Cecil B De Mille (he used to hover over these vast deserts film sets in a hot hair balloon, hovering orders through his megaphone) is at the same degree of Leo.
Kate Winslet & Leo Di Caprio – above – are Libra & Scorpio but they’re both Libra Rising – note the Pretty. I walked out of Titanic so upset that people were stopping me in the street to ensure i was not being abused by my partner at the time. I blame that genius ghost sequence.
Titanic trivia & occult conspiracy theorizing is huge, of course. There is even a Titanic astrologer – Eileen Grimes has not only exhaustively documented the birth deets of everyone on or linked to that poor doomed boat, but offers Titanic readings for peeps now, to see if you have the astrological signature that means you’re part of the Titanic “soul group.”
Do you hate going indoors on boats? This could be you, lol. Actually, Ms Grimes has identified “Titantic degrees” – 19 to 24 of the Cardinal Signs – Aries, Libra, Cancer and Capricorn. Check it out if you’re interested, she’s seriously in depth. Briefly, the night the ship went down, Mercury was Retrograde (various communication fuq ups) and Neptune was squaring the Nodes, Pluto was on the Descendent (that sudden descent into the underworld was so hideously negative Plutonic) and uber-Jupiter totally unaspected.
FYI: The words “disaster” and “catastrophe” both basically mean “against the stars.” “Ast” as in astral, astrology, astronomy etc.
Thoughts?
Wow, that’s interesting about the ‘against the stars’ trivia. I did not know that.
I am definitely a boat /water lover. My Sun is at lucky 8d. My favourite holiday involved boats around Balearic group of isles (mediterranian) and jet skiing.
However, I will NOT ever take a cruise. No, No, No to living on a boat where you eat food cooked from a bay-marie or whatever they are called. Boats are for going fast, slow, getting a rush, privacy, traveling somewhere warm and balmy where you disembark to go to the local village olive and wine festival where you drink and dance, visit gardens and local art, and have healthy amorous nights (not book in to a cruise where you sleep in a cot *shivvvers*).
Back to Titanic: I remember the crowd control strategies that needed to be used at this film in 98 or 99? Neptune was in Aqua = collective, huge, it submersed us with its love story.
The CD soundtrack was haunting and beautiful, and I loved it.
I am truly sorry that I missed all comments about my book. I just found this site just a few hours ago. I also found out of an email was sent to me and I never got it about the review of the book.
I have read all of your comments about your degrees in your charts that correspond to the Titanic disaster. 1 thing I never mentioned in the book probably because I haven’t figured it out yet, but those degrees that are associated with Titanic are also known as drowning degrees. that fear, is constantly shown by the post that talk about the fear of immersing ones head in water.
If you have any other questions I can answer, please let me know.
Eileen Grimes
That’s so interesting about not wanting to go indoors on boats ascribed to certain degrees cardinal!
I’m 17 deg Libra and I’m fine going inside boats. However a friend of mine who is 19 deg Libra hates boats with “insides”! She prefers open boats and is quite the sailor with so much crap in Scorpio.
i’m 8d and I prefer short trips on boats and to be outside on deck (ideally in my swimming costume with a good sci-fi novel, and dolphins nearby). I thought that was cause I loved to be nearer water and get sprayed, and in the salt air. Maybe that’s where my Cruise ship dislike also comes from (titanic astro) – as well as my compulsive fear of being trapped in a dining room with naff 80s decor (which is what I imagine all cruises are like today).
Whoa. The Titanic sinking North Node is conjunct my moon and Jupiter (in 7th house) and the sun conjunct my moon and Jupiter. Its Mercury is opposite my Mercury (that was just about to go Rx). As secondary features the sinking Saturn opposite my NN and its Venus opposite my Sun.
I connected with the story from the first moment I heard about it.
Crazy.
Oooh ooooh, my sun’s at 18*58 Leo, Cecil’s is at 19*47.
I LOVE film, but I’m particularly critical too (Merc in Virgo). I don’t think I’m much fun to watch movies with. (whispers)And I hated Titanic.
But in my defense I was 15 and I had just realized that a guy I thought was my boyfriend was actually just telling me he liked me because he couldn’t waaaaaaiiiit to lose his virginity. When I came home from a particilarly bad visit with him, my Mom was watching Titanic, and I just couldn’t get over all of the saaaapppyyyy love scenes, and still can’t.
I hate boats and cruise ships but have nothing at 19-24° Cardinal (only venus 9° Libra and Cap Asc 3°) .
I like being near water but not IN it. I prefer being on terra firma. Maybe it’s my heavy earth chart.
My Neptune conjunct Sun and Chiron in Pisces, is all the water I need.
I’m one of the few people on the planet who has not seen any version of The Titanic movie and never want to (not into chick-flicks). I’ve got lots of cardinal energy but nothing at the “Titanic degrees” except my POF. Perhaps I have the anti-Titanic signature in my chart…
Interesting though, my mother has both her Sun and Asc at “Titanic degrees” and is not (as far as I know) fascinated by all things Titanic, but she was booked to travel on a ship that got wrecked and was saved from travel and probable death at sea because she ended up in hospital getting her leg in plaster thanks to an accident she had just before she was due to depart.
Ditto, Saturnalien, never seen a Titanic movie and don’t wish to. I find it difficult to understand people’s obsession with this long-ago event, done and dusted, as far as I’m concerned. Too busy living today, but it’s probably the Aquarian in me, thinking of revolutionary stuff for the future, not about the past which is over.
Also haven’t seen any Titanic movies and not really interested – we know what happens in the end right?
I haven’t seen Titanic either, but I have read about it. The movie looks cheesy as all hell.
I’m going to have to third this. 17 libra here and I don’t get the fascination, honestly. This disaster has been exploited to heck.
Haven’t seen it and don’t want to see it.
absolutely. i can’t think of any subject i’m more repelled by… received this months nat’l geographic with it on the cover and haven’t even bothered to open the magazine. pedestrian cheese. but oh dear… the 21 degree aries/libra axis… that’s mine. reversed… but still. i do have an overwhelming fear of water -over my waist in non-crystal clear water? not bloody likely!! boats never!! (except kayaking because i’m in control and not someone probably incompetent!!). it’s interesting but my overdeveloped sense of dignity says it’s not nearly unique enough to go any further… :/
I was thinking of James Cameron the other day when I commented here on the unfairness of Hollywood always copping the ‘lowbrow’ stick as a putdown.
Mainly because Avatar possibly did more for repairing motherGaia in terms of heightening environmental awareness than a decade of toiling from every global green org combined. Fantastic.
Camerons been doing a reccy on the Marianas trench as it really is the oceans that need our serious attention now. Go Tige.!
If you think of Orwell being correct in the idea that dim governments and nasty greedy corps really start to get into cahoots around 1984, then Hollywood and the net are quite hefty icebergs.. in 3D too
When Cameron’s Avatar turned megahit, I had a look at the astro of Titantic, and then began to wonder about the guy’s talent for precience and tapping the collective fear of the coming years.
Titanic came out in the early, early days of Neptune in Aquarius, but was conceived during Neptune in Cap, yes? So pretty good foreshadowing of massive loss at the hands of incompetence and hubris, the tragedy of a class system that imprisons people to drown in another man’s fear of “moral” breakdown, etc. Chiron in Cap those days, too, and not long after the Enron and related tragedies went down. “Too big to sink” was the motto of Wall Street for 15 years, wasn’t it?
And then Avatar comes around with its themes of eco-piracy, anti-imperialism, etc. Obvious new Neptune in Pisces priorities.
Cameron even went to the bottom of the ocean a couple of weeks ago. (Likely primary source research for the next Avatar movie.) Major ego aside, his interest in ecology and particularly the ocean is interesting considering we’ve now entered the Water Era mini-era within the grand Pluto in Cap reformation. I think he’s got a pulse on the Next Step and signed up to take that message to the masses.
(An aside: Given Cameron’s Neptune prophetic storyteller connection to the zeitgeist, anyone want to take on an interpretation of the Terminator movies?)
Bootes– I think I just restated everything you already said, with less style. But the Neptune/Cameron connection is very intriguing.
Seems he got the image of the Na’vi from a dream his mother told him about 12′ blue people. Maybe he’s taking direction from his mom, who’s a psychic channeler.
I also like Cameron’s comment on the re-release in 3D: “The ship still sinks.”
My, I had no idea about his mother’s activities but it doesnt surprise me.
They were Canadians who moved to Cal right?..The Steiner view would be that all that wild tectonic mountain geography would get a bit of channeling and wotnot happening in some folk quite quickly..why not?
WG, you might have described a similar story there but with more topically relevant material
…I’m not particularly technically adept in my astro (tho I do try with my biodynamics)
I mean, I’d love to know about the astro relating to Avatar vs the Hurtlocker in those Oscars but its prob best left to dusty history. Pretty full-on tho.:0
Thinking I should expand on that comment about Steiner a bit coz it was a bit esoteric.
Its from my wine background where geographic location has a sometimes undefinable influence on things that isnt easily explained..terroir might not be just soils and climate
..Rudolf Steiner the father of biodynamic farming, offered an Astro explanation and I like to think it has a bearing on the general character of the population as well as the environment of any particular spot.
Like for example, even tho Mel Gibson was born in the US , he grew up in Oz and I think the Road Warrior had its character coz he was ‘of the landscape’ that movie was made in. It affects the overall ‘sensibility ‘ .
A Steiner view of Cal therefore would be that its very Aries/leo and neptune(?) : big mountains, big deserts, surf, foamy kelpbeds.. all that..plus a volatile plate…makes sense to me
oh dear…an undefineability that isnt easily explained…
fark..
damn post button…
theres a Ramones song thats got the lyric “cant control my fingers..”
No! This is really helpful. I am very sensitive to location –and even the light of a location can have a defining quality of my enjoyment of that place.
I appreciate your addendum to the Steiner comment. Where would I find more information about this? I’ve moved and would love to know more about my current home.
Tricky to answer.
Steiners lectures on Ag. Goethe.Bit like the bible.Open to interpretation.:) Sorry I can’t help more theres some geo astro work out there.
Work in progress for me.
Thanks for the response. eeepp!
I dunno, I got out of that Titanic movie completely annoyed as I was convinced Leo’s character did not have to die, basically that if it was a matter of splitting the damn suitcase open they could’ve damn well shared it and both lived.
However, this is after years of Catholic school where theoretical survival situations were employed to pose a critical moral dilemma that would’ve had us choosing between offing someone old, ill or stupid sort of thing. I do recall leaving the theater and the crowd being uber solemn.
Titanic Degrees….
my saturn at 22* Cancer square my Jupiter at 22* Aries.
oh my! Boats …..no thanks.
I have HEARD the ocean speak to me….she said, if I want you, your mine.
Oh my gosh!!!!! That sounds terrifying
gah!! yes.
I have nothing of note in the cardinal signs and I hated that movie because some of the plot points were contrived and the characters were superficial and the screenplay cliched. I also thought it was dreadful, when he won the Oscar, he asked for a moment’s silence for those who died and then broke the silence with a “Woohoo, I’m the King of the World!!” Gauche. Tacky.
But I have been thinking about the Titanic and why it still resonates with us and I think it is because it was a disaster caused by arrogance and incompetence and the disaster was wholly avoidable. That the majority of passengers perished makes us all realise how we put our trust in people we don’t know and assume they know what they are doing (when sometimes they don’t, with disastrous consequences).
Basically, it is a frightening story and a cautionary tale.
I’ve not seen Cameron’s ‘Titanic”, nor do I intend to.
I’d much rather watch a documentary about the ship and its disastrous fate than a ‘story’ about it and its passengers.
Yikes! My boyfriend has all major planets, Sun, Moon Asc., at Titanic degrees in Cardinal signs. Haven’t ever heard him talk about a fear of boats tho…
Moon at 21 Libra and fear of deep ocean. As much as i love worship & adore the sea, can’t handle being in more than 12 feet of water, even a pool. Need to be able to see and touch the bottom of it. Strangely i can see underwater very well w/o masks and dislike them for the restriction.
Neptune in Libra too nearly at 18 degrees. Falling off on ocean liner waay out to sea gives me the shivers. Nightmare material in fact.
It’s Primal Fear embedded in us i think, hence the never letting go of the Titanic screw up. Plays on guilt too. ‘It should not have happened guilt’.
i think the engineering analysis showed that they were in a rush to build the thing and many of the rivets they used to join the hull together were cheaper, shitty steel versus the proper stuff that was “taking too long” to organise. something like that. it was on a TV show once..
I can’t for the life of me remember any ghost sequence in the movie…crikey, Surreal to imagine I missed something like that.
I have a friend who published a lengthy, detailed CD interview of a guy who’s past life was the captain of the ship. Fascinting stuff…
I can’t remember any ghost sequence either! And I saw it last night!!! When? Where? WHAT ghost?
Me neither! Glad I’m not the only one who was confused….no ghosts, just a really sad scene toward the end of all the frozen bodies in the water.
MM, did we miss something?
Yes! At the end Rose is nearly 100 and she throws the necklace into the water, then she dies. THEN she goes back to the boat and it’s all alive again, music, dancing, the orchestra and she is reunited with Jack – THAT scene is killer…Soz are you saying that you did not see that in the version you saw???
Or okay technically they are not ghosts but another dimension, her afterlife, whatevs but still….
I read in the weekend’s paper that a First Class Suite on Titanic cost $1340 back then, which in today’s prices would be $125 670. Even Third Class tix at $12.35 would cost $1154 today. Pricey ship. Don’t know how Leo’s Jack Dawson afforded it but no wonder he hooked up with Rose
As bad as bits of the film were (wish Billy Zane’s character got hit by an iceberg), the sinking sequence is pure, big budget cinematic awesome. Still freaks me out when I watch it. I actually squeal and kick my legs. And yes, I bawl at the end.
I remember watching it the day it came out. No backlash had started yet so I didn’t know what to expect. It was a boiling December day and the cinema was icy-cold so we were thrilled the movie went for so long! But oh how we froze as we watched Kate float…
I wish James Cameron wasn’t such an autocrat and would employ a rational script editor. I find this with all his films. Too much bad stuff is allowed to get through which spoils the amazing conceptual stuff he makes. “Aliens” is one of my all-time faves and the first 2 “Terminator”s are brilliant. The boy has a lot of talent but unfortunately a large quotient of wanker too.
Titanic degrees – I have Venus 21 deg Cap and Ascendant 20 deg Libra. I HATE boats. Hate. I get terrible seasickness. And those massive, gaudy leviathans that ppl go on for weeks for “luxury cruises”? To me, Hell on earth (or water…)
I believe Jack Dawson was a stowaway.
No, he won the tickets in a card game (fate). Jack’s real crime was to violate the strict divisions aboard the ship and threaten the power elite by sneaking into first class and seducing one of its virgins.
Errrk, never seen Cameron’s Titanic and nor do I ever intend to. I have an visceral aversion to any film everyone is seeing – and telling me that I’ve gotta see it. I HATED the whole Tolkien thing a few years back. Under sufferance I took my boys to see the first one and then managed to get other people to take them to see the rest. Ditto the second wave of Star Wars. No no no NO, not listening, you can’t make me
I love boats though – the best job I ever had was cooking on a prawn trawler way back when.
I was in the u.s when the movie came out and was probably the only person in the country who hadn’t seen it.
When I told my hairdresser she was aghast and began to recount the whole movie scene by scene. I didn’t see the film until several years later… On the small screen. And it didn’t stir me nearly as much as the emotional retelling by that hairdresser.
Hate water. Hate boats. Of any variety.
The second time I cried while watching a movie was the Titanic – my god did I cry! The first one was the Neverending Story when Artax died in the swamp…
I’m sorry I just need a moment…
*bottom lip trembles*
What about the journalist William Stead who wrote the book before Titanic sank-predicting it- and then actually died on the Titanic. Also a Spiritualist who was told in a seance it would happen.
who about his stars??
Never seen it. eew too cloying and icky, laden with Other People’s Ideas and irriitating Fated Romance crap. *runs away*
Other than that, I tried to look at the titanic astro site but you have to email her to get anything.
having said that, Venus-South node around 24 Aries and north node ~24 Libra. I dig boats but would feel better sleeping with direct access to an external door. (or simply on deck)
I just realised how much my opinion of that film reflects my Venus in Aries stance…!
I have Merc at 19+Cap and Saturn at 18+Aries.
Lachisis 18 Aries
Posiedon 19 Libra
Cupido 21 Libra
Atropos 21 Cancer
Don’t that make an interesting story? But no nodes there, and I know some of these bodies move very slowly so many people who have similar points. Don’t have the time to do mid-points as a check.
Though I love the ocean, I prefer to be on the shore. When I was a child we visited the Queen Mary museum docked in Long Beach. It was all I could do not to bolt through the museum. The viewing room of one of the liner props completely frightened me. (The prop could be seen through a window underwater.) I can’t watch The Poseidon Adventure, either.
Don’t have any past life insight on this, but if I had to create a story, the degrees suggest at the very least I heard some very bad news about a loved one whose fate was cut by Poseidon.
Btw, Lachisis was one the Fates –the one who measured. Atropos was the third sister Fate –the one who cut.
Or maybe I just outed my own death. Hm. Creepy.
Atropos is in my 8th house, and Lachisis is in the 4th.
We always believed our daughter drowned in a previous life, just checked not the Titanic!
She just had a strange reaction in her bath as a baby, at a certain angle she would throw herself back and go into a kind of trance and make a weird ‘ahahah’ noice until she reached the edge. Just checked her south node midpoint between uranus & neptune in aquarius trine her sun haven’t checked anything else yet. Do you think this indicates that?
lol, guess I’m one of the few who not only loved this movie, but was shaken to the core and it changed the direction of my life. I’ve been in love with the Victorian/Edwardian time period ever since and write historical fiction. Thank you, Titanic!
Saw it when I was 15. Neptune was in Aqua at the time, made me a little dreamy-eyed I guess, plus I have Mars/Saturn/Pluto in Libra (love the Pretty!) and Venus in Cap in 8th house, so intense doomed love affairs fascinate me. Have been on boats many times, fantasize about living on the water, have been on a cruise and LOVED it. I’m even going to a Titanic conference at the historical society in Massachusetts in a couple of weeks.
It just gripped me. When it gets you, it gets you, I guess.
Very interesting. Mystic you always find such interesting topics to post!
My moon’s at 23 Aries. When Titanic came out in 97, I really loved it (not so much anymore… I find the love story quite cheesy), but the special effects and tragedy still resonate.
I’ve never been a fan of cruises, and cannot understand why anyone would want to take one. I’m scared to death to be surrounded by water/ not see land, and this film had a lot to do w/ reigniting those fears .
Having said that, being in a lake on a little boat doesn’t bother me in the least. I actually quite enjoy it, and I love being near the ocean (I find it very healing — strong Neptune I suppose)…..
I have Neptune in the 4th and dislike deep water intensely, specifically, being on it / in it / or moving over it . Even hate car washes and had an anxiety attack from nowhere the first time I sat through one !
Refused to watch Titanic for years because I thought there was something repugnant about the idea of such a film .
Would be very interested to see what the common factor was in the charts of the survivors. A karmic Jupiter / node emphasis ? Well aspected Neptune ?
Woh, I have 22 deg Aries Sun and 24 deg Saturn Capricorn.
I’m pretty agnostic with the whole past life thing though.
When I was younger I would freak out on ferry boats and canoes(sp)?
And I do want to go on a cruise sometime in my life.
Probably the only romantic movie my attention span can handle, and one of the only movies that can make me cry. The dead baby in the water! I’m crying right now just thinking about it.
Now that is something history had to learn the hard way. Have enough life boats!
Kind of off topic but damn Leo is so fine! lol And I am so sick of hearing the weight jokes for Kate! Seriously she looks healthy! Shut up comedians, and get some new material!
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