Stay Free At The Hotel Saturn
WARNING: Saturn Retrograde can make you lie awake at night doing brutally perceptive personal failings assessments. Also, high waisted, retro or security undergarments. It’s psychological, obviously.
But Librans know all this already, right? RIGHT?
You can share here safely and in a supportive atmosphere. The occasional troll aside, i promise i am not gonna start serving up ads based on your search preferences so suddenly you get a pop-up for “NEED HELP FOR YOUR SATURN INDUCED MELANCHOLIA? CLICK HERE FOR 50% OFF ON YOUR STAY AT CHRONOS RETREAT” or “HOT, HUNG & HORNY SCORPIO MEN ARE ONLINE NOW – PLUTO MATCHMAKERS OPERATE ON NINE PLANETS, GUARANTEED”
F.y.i I don’t mean to sound flippant but i’m fine with Google having my search history. I’d actually like them to get a Google-bot that makes it into a vaguely plausible narrative.
Thoughts?
Totes with you on the Google thing. Meh..it woud be akin to peeps reading my journals and trying to get a cohesive grip on who I am…good luck…
You are too funny! I cleared my Google history yesterday and was not too surprised to discover that the first there was how much it cost to file a freedom of information request. Lol. Does that sound like a Scorpio w/ Capricorn rising or what?
I was born with retro Saturn, 5th house; yes, I am divorced. Twice. Moon in Libra, Sun et al in Scorpio– btw. I’m not concerned about Saturn’s impending move, though, with the follies of the last 20 years behind me, I’ve learned much… To answer another question you posed earlier, Mystic: No, thieves have never blessed me. They’ve only ever been just that. Thieves.
Is this why I’m always poor? I was born with Saturn Rx in 2nd in Pisces. NOT a good placement for ever having sustained wealth of any kind. Oy!
Never mind, I clearly don’t know what I’m talking about. Saturn is currently Rx-ing in my 9th house. I am definitely revisiting and re-establishing themes of that house.
Is this so? I always like to think there’s a shiny upside or way of working with these things. Does that support the possibility of having a thriving income that is sporadic?
I’m asking this for myself too – natal Saturn retro in 2nd house Taurus. I’m early in an arts career that seems to be presenting income as lump sum then a lull. Punting I can get that to work for me ie create/invite big enough lump sums.
Do you have something could fit with your Saturn set up?
Hey Anon,
The shiny upside to Saturn in the 2nd is that it’s difficult but it eventually becomes your shining star. 2nd house is EARNED income (as opposed to inheritance or other people’s money of the 8th). With Saturn in 2nd you have to work hard for it!! I wonder if Donna Summer “she works hard for her money…” had Saturn in 2nd
Saturn loves to reward hard work though. Usually later in life. It’s all about TIME with Saturn.
Taurus is a $$ sign anyway. I think it’s auspicious to have in the 2nd.
I have Saturn in 2nd house too. It took me a long time to feel like I deserved the income for my work. Not sure how Saturn retro works in the 2nd but interesting that you have Taurus there – money through the arts
I have Saturn in Aqua, so i swing between a “money’s not that important” way of thinking to “it’s VERY important” if I don’t get what’s owed to me. Bit more tricky than Taurus who’s like “show me the money!! LOL.
I am born with Saturn Rx in my 12th house, not quite sure what to make of that. If anyone would care to illuminate me, because that is what I need is it not, illumination? Hmm..
Sigh. I’m wishing a particular hot, hung Scorpio man would contact me right now. I have a picture of his penis saved on my iphone. We did a little sexting the other day.
PS – I prayed to the gods of Facebook (Google-book?) that I would recieve advertising optimize for the following keywords: Malaga, Andalusian, Alhambra, Spain, hotels, airfare, flights, deals. Bring on the privacy invasion, arrest me if I’m breaking a law, and fuq off otherwise. Amen.
I take a perverse delight in knowing they are completely stumped as to what ads to target at me.
Re the pre-dawn horrors. I realised . . . eventually that almost everyone suffers from these dark visitations. People write songs about it. Lo and behold I decided when once in their grip they this was way too common and I will not have a bar of it. Release me! Seems to have worked. Pre dawn horrors are no fun at all, but if you realise it’s just a host that suckers in people by the millions you can exit quite effectively. Sod that.
bashing my head against the wall. in love with two men. libra new one that I just sent away to Honduras. aries old one that I don’t know what I’m doing with.. I feel some sort of karmic obligation to work something out?!?! Am I masochist or is saturn retrograde?
Oh, and I might drop out of grad school. and I’m moving, but I don’t have a place lined up. and I have way too many things to do, but I’m doing nothing except reading self-help books.
Spoze the self help books might be a start with your dilema?
Ha – I’m a LibraSun/AriesRising too. And self-help books are kindof my crack. Maybe because we’re naturally opposing ourselves in cardinal signs? Haha..
This explains the lack of sleep for the last few nights. Meh. Have taken to eating Boost bars. Crap choc, too sweet, but they’re meeting a need. For what I don’t know.
Probably didn’t explain that very well. . . . They say the darkest hour is right before the dawn, when everything that could possibly go wrong in your life, does (in your head). It seems to be an archetypal kind of spiritual energy that gets many in it’s grip–self included. It seems to be related to the Egyptian duat , the underworld, that we traverse each night symbolically and actually. For many it becomes a personal hell. If you wake up at this time and are plagued by terrible thoughts, you can make yourself impervious to it by realising that you are being suckered into something that is common place and it’s far better to get up and do something if you’re no longer tired or just simply refuse to be in this hopeless state because you know, if anything, you are NOT COMMON. Heh.
I like the Townes Van Zandt line~
‘Ain’t no dark till something shines”.
Yes to lying awake assessing all personal failings. Ugh.
Met up with former flatmate/ awesome African Rhino vet/ anti-poaching campaigner for drinks last night and she’s just so… well, awesome. Her travels, adventures, affairs are all just awesome. And then there’s me here doing far to much free work for ppl and wondering why the world isn’t kinder when I’m so nice and talented and should-be-at-the-top-of-my-field but I’m far too caught up doing freebies for people, blah blah. Cue staying awake staring at the ceiling until 4am. And then discovering I have two mountainous zits on my chin just when I’m supposed to be ‘on camera’ for a presentation tomorrow. Ick.
Oh and then I get an email this morning from a friend (who’s moving OS) who has decided to ask me for money in exchange for all the stuff I volunteered to take off her hands. Volunteered. To help her out, you see.
No, see what I thought was a favour (to take the furniture, odds and ends and generally clunky stuff that I have no idea how I’m going to transport to my place off her) was actually a transaction to her. Apparently I’m ‘buying’ it all. Of course I feel like saying ‘you know what, I don’t want your dodgy friggin’ futon, monster Ikea bookcase and flavo oven whatsit.’ BUT it’s her birthday today and we’re sort of tied up in business together so causing a stir would not be good.
But really, who asks their freelancer/ doing too many freebies for ppl/ generally cash-poor friend for money when they’re the ones flying off to start a new life in the US with a rich boyfriend???
I will not be baited. Sun opp Mars is not going to affect me. But jeez how money ruins everything. And I’m a Cap!! Deep breaths…
Ummmmm – don’t take the stuff. Just say you misunderstood, and if she’s selling it, then you’re out of the running. You’re not doing her a favour, or yourself. No stir, just a whoops- I misunderstood…. I’m saying this with care, and no criticism, so I hope you read it like that..
Seriously, who BUYS second hand ikea stuff?
Hahahaaaa. Exactly. I’ll ask my flatmate if he wants it first up so she may get her money after all.
Money and friendship NEVER MIX. Ugh. When will I learn? It must be my sooky Cancer moon that feels it has to nurture and help my sweet little (Capitalist) friends
Dont be a doormat, besides, the “friend in Biz”, probably will be too busy spending the new blokes cash to ever be of any use to you down the track, IMHO
Ouch. Lying awake at night to assess personal failings? True Story. Especially since Saturn is retro-ing back to square my natal sun. And since Saturn is my chart ruler sitting in my 12th house natally. Sometimes the only appropriate thing is to just sit quietly in le room while playing Whitney Houston ala The Bodyguard. Self pitying, I know, but it’s better than unleashing it on everyone else.
Love that your mannequins are back Mystic.. lol
Me too!!
They always seemed very her Aqua rising and never ceased to crack me up.
I had particularly liked the one that was on the floor in full front crawl swim stroke..brahahaha
Gem, I am in the parking lot at work, 8:00 pm with two small 4 oz bottles of cab, on wifi and head phones STILL listening to PM Dawn Memory Bliss
Been a hell of a long day x
The image of you liquored up, connected to wifi and still listening to that song is HOT Sweetpea!
Very Gem of you!
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Luckily I disposed of said bottles and got home safely…eh, 8 oz of cab just barely touchin’ it…hee
yes, I love the mannequins too. perhaps they’re aqua-bots?
there’s one in a great op-shop furtniture store on king st newtown, near to where i’m staying at the moment. i’ve given her a name and everything. she’s already moved from out front to the back of store in the past few days.
im in a sombre mood. corsetry? check. im too sad at the passing of davy jones of monkees fame. of course id be sadder if it had been peter. i blame him for my perversion into cult of aquas at an early age.
all feels grey lately.
Oh I know! Receptionist told me he had died and then Cheer up sleepy Jean came on the radio…aww, memories as a kid..x
Saturn Retrograde plus a big ol’ detox is kicking my arse with lay awakes and re readings of texts and emails and where is this going? what am I dooooooing with my lifes? and why isnt my bathroom/laundry ever organised?
So I am trying very hard not to send bat sh#t crazy texts.
libra sun, saturn sitting right on it 29 degrees in the 12th house. overwhelmed by vague guilt about everything and spending an incredible amount of time sleeping, alone, or staring at the wall. saturn guilt says i shouldn’t even be obsessing about astrology. i should be up all night working but most likely it will get dour like this and i’ll drink myself to sleep. ahh…saturn.
Sounds rough girl. You had a Pluto transit as well, right?
I’m also still sleeping my head off.
I think it has to do with the Pluto on my AC (got me a burn out) + this Mars Retro thing.
Many people are acting hyper Virgoish, but other people said they were also sleeping so much.
And then Neptune in Pisces…. We’re not used to this emo overdose jet! So many people are blobbing all over the place. It will lighten up with the Sun in Aries.
Take care of yourself! And let you hair down in a couple of weeks. XX
thanks for the needed pity (haha). I am walking talking pluto transit. Pluto has been transiting my bundle-type chart from top to bottom since i was born. BUT its about to hit the last planet- Mars- and then I’m scott-free from Pluto BS for a little bit. Just in time for Saturn to be starting from the top. I never get a break!!!! I also just had a massive falling out/fuck you you bastard with the guy I’ve been seeing. Saturn’s lesson is, always treat men like shit. I think thats what it was anyway. oh wait, no, it was “don’t take shit. ever. at all. not even a little bit”. ha
lol i want the link to pluto dating services! do i? i have been away doing some very sad personal saturn business (father, loss of, insomnia,some therapy, a fight at a wake) and come back to this. I am the girl in the picture. that is how i feel, like that or the moon picture in the tarot.
mystic i am a bit annoyed that just anyone can see the horoscopes! i like the “exclusive club” feeling of being a member
have to agree with you there re the “exclusive club” LS !!
I like that peeps have this lucky window of opportunity to happen upon Mystics great scopes – hope they appreciate it and sign up soon!
Yes agreed. I loved the blog already. Then I did a trial run of horoscopes and loved them. Did not want to give them up ever, so I subscribed.
Hint Hint people….
so sorry to hear about the very sad saturn business TLS.
My heart goes out to you.
Saturn in Leo in the tenth…..could this be the blob of black merde wrapped around me earlier in the afternoon …..?
Hot Pluto men online now????
Where???
I need those URLs!!!!
Jk
Not really
Pluto man with all the above, check, (libra-on-hold is pluto conjunct sun) but stay at Saturn Hotel, yes. Got the better end of it now I must say, Saturn is trine Asc and about to dance back into my world properly for the next eon after the pluto saturn end of suitcase life. 4th house transit has been very intense going over IC, pluto and now trine my air trine. If Saturn reverses back over towards Pluto again this retrograde I hotel saturn mise as well be hotel california, or Persephone in housewife mode?
Question: Since Saturn is exalted in Libra – would that make this transit harder or easier for Libras?
In any case, I also have Saturn in Libra natally (conjunct Jupiter), and all my planets were direct when I was born. Not one retrograde
Natal Saturn – retrograde, in Aquarius in 7th house at 29 degrees, opposite Venus in Leo, 1st house.
Enough said.
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Well, not really nough said:
I would really like to know what you think the retrograde Saturn in your chart stands for.
For many many years the guys I fell for, had their Moon in Aries and a retrograde Saturn. Their sun sign would differ completely.
I often fall for guy’s who have problems with the formal structure of society. So I thought that was the Saturn retrograde.
Then I found out, my grandfather had the same signature (Aries Moon, retrogr Saturn) He could have a short fuse (Mn in Aries) but at least I know he did his best to fit in society (work hard etc)
Maybe he was faking?? I’ve got my astrology genes from him.
Maybe you can shed some light on this?
I don’t think I’m knowledgeable enough to shed any light on your situation..I wish I was.
My own observations and deductions about the particular chart placement I have have led me to conclude that I don’t do ‘light’ relationships. By that I mean others get the impression I’m serious and rather intense, which I most probably am. I’ve never been any good at frivolous – how I wish I was – and I put that down to having Pluto in my 1st house. Don’t get me wrong, I do have a light-hearted side, but I only show it to people whom I know well, and who accept me as I am.
PS this current Saturn in Libra cycls is in my 2nd house,.it’s been work, work, work, money and more work..new job, 2 jobs etc. Nose to the grindstone and all that,.
Thank you, LL. What you describe is indeed Pluto in the first and Saturn in the 7th. And of course the Saturn Venus opp. (that’s definitely not light hearted either, but when you commit, you’ll probably do it GOOD
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The retrograde bit is not clear to me. Puzzle not solved. Love my puzzles
Here’s a thought- perhaps having retrograde Saturn means a person is ‘controlled’ ie, reserved, or not given to excessive behaviour in the realms of the house where they have Saturn.
“Brutally perceptive personal failings” that makes sense now. I was born at 0 degrees 03′ scorpio retro and SQUARE my ascendant in 3rd house so throughout life I have been very critical of self and parents but I think it’s warranted in their case. They make the same mistakes and passive-agg, sometimes violent and abusive behaviour, over and over again and they ignore everything like it didn’t happen. Well, over the last couple of years i’ve started to try and let that go and as saturn gets closer to it’s exact return in October I think I have to learn to let that go and try to forgive. I feel funny about forgiveness. You can forgive people for what they have done but when they keep on doing it isn’t it best just to move away for good? They will never change so how do you continually forgive? I feel like it’s turning a blind eye to their behaviour.
I switched off my google search history early last year. I don’t mind anonymous data being collected but it’s an invasion of privacy otherwise. It’s not like there is an alternative search engine that won’t collect personal data.
In my case it took years and sometimes there is an awful return to viciousness, but now it’s once every year or so (and it shocks for some stupid reason). It was very painful to forgive but i walked away from one parent totally and utterly at 16, and the other is difficult but exceptional as a person, and evolving. My choice came after grieving for the entire family i would lose by leaving the other parent (i’d never ask anyone to choose sides) but you base your decisions on the intrinsic goodness of a person. Difficult person but working very hard. Adore this parent. The other was calculating: invested a genius mentality into trying to systematically brainwash a small child into madness to get back at the other parent. Then boasted 12 years later that the promise was bearing fruit. Enjoyed physical traps and tortures as well. Loved playing on Piscean adoration and forgiveness. The worst was try to pit siblings against each other. Our loyalty cannot be broken by anyone, we’re very protective of each other.
Trust your instinct to know who is intrinsically striving towards good, Water Pig. Those deserve forgiveness. Sometimes an absence refreshes the soul, and it needn’t be permanent severance. But if it needs to be then by all means raise your sword, but prepare your support team and support systems well first. God speed (from a Metal Pig) xxx
Wow thank you milleunanotte. I really appreciate your insight. For me, neither of my parents are evolving (at this point, they may later on) but one is intrinsically good and the other gets satisfaction out of hurting people. Both of them have had trauma in their lives (which I do have comparison for) but they have lived as victims and forced everyone else to pay for what happened or happens to them. Because things always happen to them. They are not easy people to be around and one of them absolutely pit my sister and I against each other. We are not close and our relationship resembles the relationship that one of our parents had with their sibling. My mum does love me but not as much as my sister- thats an instinct feeling and i’m fairly sure about that.
I feel the need to move away and get physical distance and if I can I would chose to have some contact with one and not the other. Even though I say that easily, it will be hard when it comes down to it because of that fear of being alone. Without my sister’s support though I would be closing that door if I left but I cannot wait around for that relationship to heal. That will take some years, I feel. I know if I ever returned, just to visit, that I would get the cold shoulder from all of them. They would close ranks.
I really like what you say about preparing supports first. Right now I don’t have many and I do in a way feel like i’m alone but I think it’s always better to tread carefully rather than burn every bridge. I also don’t believe in deliberately hurting others. Our family is small and not close but I don’t know that taking a verbal stand is necessary in the first instance. Actions do speak louder I guess and if in future that one person oversteps that boundary then I would verbally take a stand. I do worry too much about how my actions will affect others especially since I don’t feel anyone in my family is trustworthy or would have my back.
Thanks again mille you have given me much to think about. Spoken like a true metal pig
Far more courageous than I. They say water pig can be too trusting of others. All pigs tend to be honest though and I really feel that is a great quality but one that you need to guard so that you are not taken for granted.
Water is deep slow strength. You’ll take your time and do it beautifully, i’m sure, Water Pig.
xxx
Both of your childhood/parental experiences reflect mine.
I went through a similar dilemma to you WaterPig and I think I read somewhere that the Dalai Lama said that sometimes you just have to run away and put as much distance between yourself and the perpetrator ( in his case the Chinese) – you need to look after yourself. My mother made this very difficult. But gradually I was able to establish boundaries and she would push to knock them down, I took notice, learnt and each time the boundaries became stronger & stronger. Then one day she couldn’t break through. It was a telephone conversation – she pushed and I stayed firm – it was weird, she was like a banshee suddenly released as she had to take on her own madness. We didn’t speak for 6 years after that and it was a blessing – I didn’t miss her in my life at all. She made several attempts to contact me and finally wrote directly to set up a meeting. I didn’t know until half an hour before wether I would go or not – I did. And it’s fine – I’ve forgiven her – not that she’ll ever believe what an awful mother she was, but suddenly that doesn’t matter any more. We’re friends!!! Amazing – I never though that would happen. Very Occasionally she’ll try to push and very gently I put her back in her place. The thing is this probably would never have happened with out that 6 year breathing space and tbh – I would have been quite content not to see her again, but delighted that it has worked out so well. What I find strange ( or maybe not so really) is that someone so twisted can produce someone so straight – you both seem that way too.
I wish you all the best x
I’ll take the penthouse at the chronos retreat for the winter thanks. feel like this is a bad joke
“WARNING: Saturn Retrograde can make you lie awake at night doing brutally perceptive personal failings assessments”
but that is exactly what im doing and its awful.
EX came round tonight to ‘talk’ thinking everytihng would be fine but no .. he found one very pissed off Leo rejected girl and he scurried out the door quick smart – bastard.
feeling bruised and gobsmacked by his audacity to think after 2 weeks i would be fine and we could just chat.
ahhh, this picture. It is so profound. Look how hard this poor woman is on herself. She’s so skinny and still wearing a corset. She looks stiff on the outside, but inside there a storm waging.
Typical it comes from the Deutsche Vogue.
I really like the German people. But they can become like this person. Being too hard on themselves.
Plus look what she is lying on! Her Feet under that bar! Poor lady.
Yet I know that feeling exactly…
“But Librans know all this already, right?” Oh, indeed. I’ve spent the last few years learning Saturn’s lessons; basically pounding myself into bits with the biggest self-flagellating hammer I could find, lol. Except for this last year; I’ve been able to see how far I’ve come as a person. The necessary conquering of demons to be the most “me” I can be! Now, when I have those “insightful” moments, they don’t freak me out and fill me with self-loathing. Its more like, “OK. Got it. Conquer it. Move on.” Plus, the added bonus of KNOWING I can deal with whatever the universe throws at me.
However, I will NOT miss the doubling-up on the raging insomnia I have struggled with since childhood. I’m ready for sleep, Saturn. My brain is tired. Thanks.
And logged in with no problem…everything is working exactly as it should be!
yes my google history search will be Mystic medus visited 250 times…:) l do not care by far as for the Satrun Hotel my mars and venus are loving it!
don’t know about uhmmm the sun mars opp l already feel like hitting the cardio HARD!
pffft
Saturn helping out at the moment – large bull dozer now backing up over my stuff as he wasn’t quite sure he ploughed through it the first time, but wait he has yet to go forward again over my sun. OH the JOY(!! His response – well now you can see clearly hey? Didn’t need any of that anyhow.
He is working in a team with mars retro to suck the youth out of every cell in my body so I can gain wisdom.
I better bloddy super pheonix come October or I’ll be on my space ship to Saturn to let out the two years worth of frustration!!
The end
Ha! exact same here! my words were “running over my sun”. ok saturn. i get it already. or do i???
I don’t mind delving into the Saturn stuff but I hate being cooped up in my house for days and day because of rain. It’s like being jailed in Saturn Hotel lol.
yeah i lay awake every night for some of the night
i thought it was mars in virgo, but now see it’s saturnsun, still.
saturn 12 house in pisces = personal failings haunt me forever, every day, night and in dreams even for years, till i either:
1) discover some new understanding that frees me… after much research
2) make a major change for the better, by accident or compelled to…
3) make a major change motivated out of love for someone else instant like
or
4) get guts and just do it because i’m sick and tired and exhausted already
I have Saturn in the 1st house in Cancer.. it sounds so dreary. Like it invades every aspect of how people see me (and yet as Gem Rising no sees it actually).
Saturn in Cancer is also at its detriment what with being ruled by ole’ Cappy, so is particularly clingy and fearful they say.
It just seems like THE placement for Saturn Induced Melancholia.
Lucky I couldn’t give a toss! Namaste gorgeous people.
I can so relate with you on this one. I have Saturn in Cancer. It is in my 11th house of friends AND it is conjunct my sun. :/ I hate when people say I am so serious. Truthfully I just want to know the heart of the matter, know what is being felt and going on, so I can make a solid foundation for my moves.
I am reclusive, and have been prone to major melancholy in my life.
The upside is I have accomplished alot for how old I am. Also I have amazing checkbones and collarbones. Those collarbones give the false presentation of being trim even at my largest. love them.
Oh so that explains why last night i slept with my Spanx on in my bed – linen pared back to a sheet and a pillow.
Actually what attracted me to this post was the lingerie – I LOVE it. My pinterest boards are full of corsetry and high waisted black lacy underthings.
Saturn is still in orbit of my natal moon (24 Libra) and out-of-sign-opposing my natal Saturn at 0 Taurus (and aspecting all my other late degrees and 0 degrees planets).
I would tell you all about it but Saturn has put the kibosh on whining. I must toughen-the-fuq up and get on with it.
That’s exactly what’s been going on! I couldn’t figure out why (usually it only happens when I’m hormonal, but this is the sane week of my cycle, so I was perplexed).
Ah Saturn, how you love to torment us Libras. I’m hoping it’s all for a good cause – the light at the end of the tunnel isn’t visible at all yet.
(Now I have to order lots more sleep ease oil.)
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