Junging Out

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Miguel Ministro – Wait For Me

This pic is amazing but it makes me anxious and i don’t know why.  What do you guys think?

You know how Jung and Co talk about every woman having an Animus (and men having an Anima) that is an internal archetype. It is what you project onto lovers or crush-objects, it can seduce and betray you but if you’re psychologically whole, you have a fantastic relationship with your Animus/Anima. This then leeches out into everyday “real” life & voila excellent relationships etc.

People with those awful sort of full on obsessive crushes are said to strongly projecting their Animus/Anima onto an outsider, seeing only what they want to see. Really, it’s all about their own unlived masculine/feminine attributes. Hideously shrill men or women who behave like grotty guys are said to be in Animus/Anima “possession. 

You can measure the quality of your relationship to your Animus/Anima by checking out how he/she appears in your dreams. If you are gay, the Animus/Anima is still the opposite sex to you. If you’re a female it is like your male qualities and vice versa.

So maybe that’s why this picture freaks me out…? Because she is trying to keep up with this larger than life, magical Animus dude but who know where he is leading her. And do you have strong Animus/Anima dreams? It’s always like you’re in a relationship with the character because you are, right?

Some say the Animus is your Sun or Mars and that the Anima is your Moon or Venus. Liz Greene, the Jungian astrologer is massively brilliant on all this stuff, though her actual writing style can be a bit dour for my Mercury in Aries taste. Does anyone want to Jung out with me here?

 

 

84 thoughts on “Junging Out

  1. I’m a big Jung fan. Used to read him in my late teens/ early twenties ALL THE TIME.

    Just had a dream this morning that I told my uni supervisor about.

    He said of a shy young artist I had attached myself to in the dream: “Hmmm, I’m really relating to that character…” (not in a sleazy way) and I wanted to say that I thought the young man was probably an aspect of me first, and a projection of him second.

    I’m open to interpretation, but hey! I mean, it’s my dream! I will recognise the animus first, every time.

  2. Aside from junging out the movement in this picture is captured perfectly. The dude ‘s forward momentum is only going to bring her crashing face first into the dust and her ankle is at a weird angle … watching the prelude to a nasty breakage me thinks.

  3. I’m not a fan of his porcelain smile (fixed and smug) the crooked hand and the spirit feet. this is like a loki gone loco. also look at la chica’s eyes – all staring and starspelled – like coraline’s mirror world mum – yeesh….it’s scary

  4. and i tots just realised i characterised in that last post my ex. the smirking magic musician Fool fickle heartbreaker. freaky but irresistable. lol. that’s my animus!

  5. Hmmm, recent astro had me going nuts and telling my Animus (who is Gem Sun, Venus/Mars Cancer) that I had the biggest lust crush ever on him (have been hiding it for three years), first he said feelings were mutual now sorry AquaRam but can never be.
    Hrmph, ego now deflated, miserable and depressed, and feel like a loser. Still chasing Animus though, I should give up already!
    Can hardly blame him though, I am married, and before you all judge me peeps, my marriage is pretty awful, no it is not a symptom la la la.
    Sad, hope the upcoming revamp of Aqua love astro helps, I would do anything to have him – yes, obsessed but no, not bunny boiler.
    (Aqua Sun, Virgo Rising, Aries Moon/Venus).

    • Hmm. Not really surprised given his placements. I think the feelings ARE mutual but almost every Gem I’ve known (and specially ones with Venus/Mars Cancer) will just not go there based on theory alone. And if they do yield to the pursuit, there can be a lot of waffling later on..which I don’t think an Aries Venus will care for at all!

      Maybe this is seed planting and things may change as you finagle the marital situation no?

      • Thank you fallen angel, thanks for being non-judgmental! It is crazy, I am a relatively sane, professional person yet……!!! Blessings to you xxx

        • Oh honey please. No worries. Moi judge? I was swimming in a Sewer in a past life.

          I DO think that the intense desire you feel is definitely yet another way to draw you from the situation of your marriage. Sometimes even if for all intents and purposes, we know it’s over we linger until something powerful enough to lure and motivate us appears. I think you should take it as a compliment to the sincerity of his feelings that he doesn’t want to go there.. I mean, think how easy it could be for him to just say yes, go with it for a bit then leave?

          So it seems to me that he may take an entanglement with you less lightly. And it’s likely too premature in his mind to even broach the possibility of it it till you sort it out, independent of him, you know?

          I think it’s good you said something and now you’ve brought it from the realm of theoretical into real, now you know what’s really on or off the table, and you can explore how that will figure in your future plans.

      • Have been here for past two years; never went there but looked into the dark corners and dealt to the marriage with a clean balance sheet and conscience. Amazing indepth adventure and things changing for the better. Desire can be a great motivator for other stuff.

        • I have the same astro as your lust/crush, and yes, I would say that fallen angel is on the money….she usually is. :) The Gem part means we can fully explore the crush possibility in our minds and be almost satisfied by just the fantasy….I think the Venus/Mars Cancer bit is too aware/concerned of hearts being crushed where it to become an actuality, given the situation.
          I was in a similar boat, except I had the mad lust/crush on a married Cancer. I could tell that he had feelings too and tho his marriage was troubled there was no way that either of us would risk everything just to satisfy a yearning, no matter how strong. Too much potential for emotional annihilation. Nothing ever happened, and I’m so glad. I will always remember him fondly and I think it’s the same for him.

          • Cheers everyone, that has really helped a lot, thank you for sharing, you are all spot on, blessings to you all, AquaRam xxxx

  6. “Some say the Animus is your Sun or Mars and that the Anima is your Moon or Venus”

    I really love this concept, I think it holds true power in understanding ownership within the psyche as to your own desires. Culturally, women are often taught to project as an externalisation of desire that has always pissed me off. In men it comes in more of a virgin/whore complex. In my own life i have found it to be true about balance and projection. Being that I have my venus dead conjunct neptune it’s a bit of a life lesson too. (esp as my venus hits on everyones neptune in several years radius) so I feel like a projection screen, hell I made a good living off that projection screen. It taught me a lot about this very thing but more desire in itself.

    Thanks for the awesome jungian astro posting Mystic

    • that’s interesting Ms re the venus-neptune projection thing. Did the various scenarios you experienced confound you for a while until you (just guessing) discovered astro and sort of figured out what was going on? x

      • I have to say no because Astro has been a part of my life in a very different way. I noticed it when I was working honestly, I got to see behind the mirror and was able to recognize the patterns, that and my own sexuality has been the biggest learning of fantasy. x

  7. Oh, merde. I think my Animus is either stuck on a train somewhere or as Mystic so wisely noted, it’s Something Viable or Bust. While I do still dally, what’s really changed is I seemed to have lost the ability to even really “crush” on anyone..that is it’s quite clear to me what I can or can’t pursue.

    I used to be able to enjoy the “possibility” of something, now things just feel really hmm, matter of fact. Take the Virgo Saxophonist for instance, yes we have a great time but just knowing he doesn’t want anything serious really makes me not even waste my time trying to convince him otherwise. The emotional/physical draw I feel isn’t enough for me to go there, mainly as I’m too busy with Uranus sticking his tongue out at my Sun.

    So if anything I sort of miss that the most. But maybe it’s a good sign of healing and getting whole that I haven’t looked for it?

    • I sort of feel a bit the same FA, re the absence of new crushes thing. You meet someone who is a but yummy and then for some reason it can’t go further … after about the 5th time of this happening you just shout in exasperation, OH WHAT’S THE FUQING POINT THEN and throw your hands in the air, walk away and go read another chapter of something interesting (or drink red wine and watch french films, a great way to indulge one’s need for interpersonal intrigue. imo. )

      i do think it’s a sign of some sort of (tedious, boring lalalala) growth not being led around by the nose (heart? hormones?) every time. I mean we can indulge ourselves for a while but it doesn’t have the same level of psychic engagement that former crushes might have once had. u think?

        • OMG I love French films too, mainly as they’re quite unabashed about how critical love and romance is to life. Yes, I know, the tedium..sigh.

          There IS huge value in recognizing what is and isn’t. It’s just really not as fun! And ya, the psychic pull isn’t there..now it’s like, look I can love/like you but I can definitely live without you and seriously, my life will go on.

          Recently, I’ve been told it’s turned me into a man i.e. not really willing to put up with a lot of shite. I was like, oh really, and that’s the highest compliment is it? I wasn’t really upset as the point of that comment was really to say that men tend to dwell less on the possibilities in than women do, they just sort of go for it or don’t.

          I probably shouldn’t be surprised that was said, since it came after I informed a guy that if he was trying to stage a come back dicking around with my schedule was not the way to do it. I do feel sad sometimes for missing the tiny little things of tender moments and feeling like I belong with someone. That’s still there..

    • is it a loss?

      I think this exactly what Jung was talking about in regards to projection. The talk is of obsessive crushes, which is the projection of your own desires that are parts of you that you wish to play out in desire. Your sun/mars per say if hetro as Mystic states. When we are out of balance it forms into severe projection of desires which may or may not have anything to do with the person whom is the screen. Crushes and attraction are still valid in balance they just become less of the teenage megacrush because as we grow we (hopefully) form ownership of our own desires and consciousness which brings a very different kind of attraction, one less about projecting and more about participation and interactive playing out of archetypes. Like the planets natal do not change but the way we approach ourselves with consciousness does x

      • It’s not a loss it’s a completion. You know how Pisceans are supposed to be prone to crushes and fantasy, well there’s been such a massive consciousness shift for me that this has vanished. It feels like my animus was always strong but now he’s come into his own…and he’s me.

        Sometimes, like Fallen, i miss the “tiny little things of tenderness”. Yet it’s fleeting as i realise i have My Self, more complete than ever. Things like a Saturn transhit can emphasise the grind of the hard digging you do to get down into the whys and wherefores and the New How. But it’s an honour to do this work and i think how much better i will be in time.

        I’ve met some great men for my time. But i always outgrow, even the ones who grew for a time alongside me. They gave me so much, about as much as my intensity demanded. Certainly, Ms, i’m learning so much about living my natal propensities differently. At the moment it’s the kind of work that noone else can carry or share in. And, Fallen, it’s super interesting that this equates to being like a man. Yes indeed but it’s being a whole woman. Freedom.

        • we all know I love fallen angel and she’s a genius but this comment was in reply of the differences between the posting of jungian projection or obsessive crushing and balanced attraction of inner archetypes which has nothing to do with missing the little things nor is it entire transit based.

          • I see I did a comment mash up. Although i think i understand: the dynamic of archetypes makes the projection of the crush seem static to me. Sometimes i think that projection is the point where things stall, and it may not always begin that way. 3 years ago i would have believed i understood your comment on it, but now it resonates. The work is not transit related but i find some transits highlight just how intense the work going on under the surface is.

        • food for thought Ms. and mille. i remember reading a Pisces scope by another ‘strologer once YEARS ago and one particular line was “To get what you want, become what you want.” I have always remembered that when something (someone) seems not to be going my way. Particularly in the past couple of years with (non-)love wierding. I see the qualities that the object of my interest has and I think “right, better start working on / owning that in myself then” and, we’ll see. but then again we can’t be everything.

          I relate to the sensation that FA mentioned about feeling like ( / responding to people like) a man. It’s sort of “mm nah no room in my life for person X or behaviour Y”, i don’t return messages or calls from otherwise perfectly nice men because I just don’t have the desire to engage. Or I’m ‘just not that into them’. Maybe it’s the pluto all or nothing in 7th house. Hey, if they were spunks, i might think about it. LOLOL maybe i AM turning in to a man *checks shirt to see if still has boobs*

          • yes, after the last musician I thought, I am over them for now. I took up my own music again. Within 2 months I played one instrument well enough. Have 4 other musical instruments I am learning too(varying levels of beginner.
            Now I can play love songs to myself…

    • am in exactly same headspace – finding it refreshing – i did one too many of those animus projections – now i’m all about animus protection … nurturing and powerful

  8. Don’t know if I truly relate to this concept of Jung’s. I tend to think in terms of past lives where we have lived and loved as men and women. There is a thread of continuity through sex and soul expressed that gets picked up carried on from one incarnation to the next it seems.

    Maybe the animus we dream today is the male who most represents where we are at – in balance or out of balance – on the journey of life so far?
    Don’t know as I have not dreamed him lately.

    Certainly do relate to the idea that if i had an Animus he would be a Mercury-Thoth animus (Mars in Virgo) and my anima feels totally Lunar Goddessy (Venus in Cancer) which I adore.

    • Agreed. Mentioned before and below that my venus and moon in 12th and neptune ruling my 7th seems to make almost all crushes and relationships for me some karmic connection thing. IT gets tiring actually….

      • That’s interesting, I do think most intense relationships are karmic. There are karmic relationships that don’t involve learning through pain though! Is that what is tiring you out Catfish? That does sound tough.

        • The pain of one almost killed me.

          But others it is just tiring to feel/ know there is more to our relationship and I can’t just express it. When those relationships don’t progress or work out I am left with such odd feelings. I am dealing with it and making much progress though.

  9. all i know is its friday,,,,
    and yes very attracted to see new film out with a Freud V Jung theme ‘the dangerous method”

  10. Hmmm… I had to read this twice. Although I understand the concept and I cannot say it applies to me. My dreams of my guys are actual good relationship style symbols. However, we are not in a relationship so I always thought it was my wishes and dreams. I do obsess about him leaving me so maybe this does apply…. not sure and a little confused about what to take from it. My guy is a come and go type and when we get close he tries to kick me to the curb. Although everyone will be “run”… I can’t do it. He is dealing with a lot of crap from a past kick asser and he just doesn’t want to do it again even though he has drawn me in on his own dime. I never pursued this he ALWAYS pursued me. However, he always accuses me of wanting more that he can’t give when in fact I have done nothing of the sort. Just man thing, I guess, that they think if you ask a guy if he wants to meet for a drink he thinks you want marriage.. Am I over exaggerating this? I was shocked when he responded to my invite to have a simple drink with “you always want more”… hello? I was hoping that he would break out of his horrid cocoon of a past relationship (12 years ago) because he is an amazing guy.. amazing. He just doesn’t want to see it and I get blamed for it. Well, I can’t explain it.. I love him! ..weird. Ok, I would love to hear some comments!! :)

  11. The pic makes me edgy because the being in the foreground is very big, the perspective is uneven, mr big-legs being is walking on what looks to fine wispy lines, and there’s that tense blue hand with the curling fingers, and stringy red whiskers. I love the musical notes in the background and the dreamy quality.

    Comedy is so important, and running naked on the beach, and keeping in touch with yourself – accessing your touchstone.

    • *first* before…

      Marilyn espoused some great wisdom: “you believe lies so you eventually learn to trust no one but yourself, and sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.”

      xxxx

  12. yes the timing of this post is impeccable…. alongside the movie and the anniversary mentioned above… i have just had one of the most psychodynamic 2 days a la jungian animus crush with the sexydoctorworkcollegueoneonone…. Im so relieved to receive this post tonight to assist me with my primal yearnings, as the doors to satisfying these with said crush, are i would say fairly closed considering… wife child work etcccccc….

    I have already reflected that it is actually something in him that I am attracted to, not actually HIM, and the energy I feel when Im with him is so hot, and there is no sexual energy being directed at me, that it is purely creation, creative energy, and its buzzing and juicy… and I can be grateful to experience this… but have to watch my purring, because this pussy cat is falling into some patterns of call and response that are not for the work place, heed heed….

    Im challenging myself to let this flow and not control or stop it in a moralistic way, or to be disappointed that I cannot swallow him, but to feel the energy and let it ride through me and let it create me…. Gosh he is so sexy though, i just have to say that, his brain and heart, make me see his body as so sexy, arrrrrrrghhhh……

    See why this post is so pertinent to me…. So lets talk animus… Is he my animus??? I keep wanting to think of my animus as an animal… probs because of the close proximity of letters…. So correct me if Im wrong… the things that I am attracted to in him, are the things/aspects I want for myself, for my own being???? So Im attracted to his energy, I want that vitality and vibrancy within me, Im attracted to the way he holds seniority and is so inclusive and totally present with people, the way he is versed in language of emotion and psychology and can speak with such honesty about uncertainty despite his authority and experience, Im attracted to his voice and the way he modulates it with compassion and sincerity despite a range of other emotions going on for him, Im attracted to his smile, his eyes, and his lips, Do I want to love all these things in myself, and develop these??? is this my jungian work to do????

    So glad this is a work collegue and not my therapist, that would be a bit harder…. it makes those tedious meetings very fun with my imagination, and can i say that today, the slightest touches of hands and arms as we were in the same proximity were electrifying for me…

    (Ive had those crushes in the past that become exhausting and depressing in realising the unrequitted nature of them, and that is the last thing I want to do to myself, particularly in my work place!!!! no fuqin way!!! Im having to grow up real fast with this one and let the energy show me and teach me what it wants me to know….

  13. yes the timing of this post is impeccable…. alongside the movie and the anniversary mentioned above… i have just had one of the most psychodynamic 2 days a la jungian animus crush with the sexydoctorworkcollegueoneonone…. Im so relieved to receive this post tonight to assist me with my primal yearnings, as the doors to satisfying these with said crush, are i would say fairly closed considering… wife child work etcccccc….

    I have already reflected that it is actually something in him that I am attracted to, not actually HIM, and the energy I feel when Im with him is so hot, and there is no sexual energy being directed at me, that it is purely creation, creative energy, and its buzzing and juicy… and I can be grateful to experience this… but have to watch my purring, because this pussy cat is falling into some patterns of call and response that are not for the work place, heed heed….

    Im challenging myself to let this flow and not control or stop it in a moralistic way, or to be disappointed that I cannot swallow him, but to feel the energy and let it ride through me and let it create me…. Gosh he is so sexy though, i just have to say that, his brain and heart, make me see his body as so sexy, arrrrrrrghhhh……

    See why this post is so pertinent to me…. So lets talk animus… Is he my animus??? I keep wanting to think of my animus as an animal… probs because of the close proximity of letters…. So correct me if Im wrong… the things that I am attracted to in him, are the things/aspects I want for myself, for my own being???? So Im attracted to his energy, I want that vitality and vibrancy within me, Im attracted to the way he holds seniority and is so inclusive and totally present with people, the way he is versed in language of emotion and psychology and can speak with such honesty about uncertainty despite his authority and experience, Im attracted to his voice and the way he modulates it with compassion and sincerity despite a range of other emotions going on for him, Im attracted to his smile, his eyes, and his lips, Do I want to love all these things in myself, and develop these??? is this my jungian work to do????

    So glad this is a work collegue and not my therapist, that would be a bit harder…. it makes those tedious meetings very fun with my imagination, and can i say that today, the slightest touches of hands and arms as we were in the same proximity were electrifying for me…

    (Ive had those crushes in the past that become exhausting and depressing in realising the unrequitted nature of them, and that is the last thing I want to do to myself, particularly in my work place!!!! no fuqin way!!! Im having to grow up real fast with this one and let the energy show me and teach me what it wants me to know….)

  14. From a Jungian perspective, this painting depicts one person.

    This girl knows exactly where she’s going, although not on a conscious level. The tiniest part of ourselves is our conscious, which houses ego and personality; it is the part of us that is least in-the-know, especially true when our whole selves are most dis-integrated from our greater selves, our unconscious selves. The little girl here is the conscious self: small, unknowing, anxious.

    The gigantic, fast-moving forward man here represents that greater, unconscious self; in relation to the biological, personality female, this man is her Animus, her Shadow– all things infinite, divine, and unconscious. He knows exactly where and when to go, because (s)he has always been and always will be.

    The conscious self can feel like it’s being dragged at lightning speed, holding on for dear life, as it tries to assimilate those strange and foreign pulls from where it doesn’t know… When the conscious self thinks that it knows best, or that it’s running the show, the personality runs into trouble (e.g., anxiety, ambivalence, depression) because that false belief flies in the face of the true, natural working of the Psyche and the cosmos: It’s the unconscious, stoopid.

    Jungians know that peace and actualization grow when a person realizes the limits of the conscious self. When one looks beyond that tiny, finite slice of Self, and opens her mind to the 99% of her that is unconscious and all-knowing, integration, trust, and meaningful movement begin.

    You have a conscious self– don’t let it have you. By nature, your consciousness exists in a vacuum: open your windows and allow your whole self in. Your unconscious is wired to all that is divine and wise and has ever been– and each of us has always been wired to each other; that’s why it’s called the Collective unconscious, and that’s why you can trust wherever it leads your minute, limited, conscious self.

    In other words: Get Over Your(conscious)self.

  15. I only feel anxious looking at the female character in the picture. The male character is strangely comforting to me. It’s as if he knows what he’s doing, and the female is just second-guessing the entire thing (the “entire thing” being “life,” I suppose). Her second-guessing/fear/anxiety/indecision is what holds her back from being able to command on & experience the infinite, pure power/magic/etc. of higher consciousness.

    Ew now that I’m re-reading that, it sounds so much like me, it’s kind of bizarre. Interesting how all we have to do is analyze a picture like this in order to get so much insight into our Anima/Animus. It’s almost like a form of divination, or at the very least, tapping into higher guidance re: where we need to change in order to be happier.

    • I like your interp! I agree with this confident blue creature being a magical animus for her. He is singing the the songlines of the Universe. She is scared as she doesn’t yet realise she can walk on those lines and not fall.

      I think she is Alice in Wonderland, learning a few lessons and about to take possession of her knowledge.

  16. I DISLIKE this picture….Yes there are some fabulous enthralling elements to it, but it reminds me of my scorpio ex bf and me way too much.

    Lots of concepts above. I like the mars/sun as animus and venus/moon as anima.

    Not sure if I dream of my animus or not. I have dreams about unkown men at times, but always felt he was more my unmet soul partner than a part of me. HMM….Will ponder this.

    Use to be queen of crushes, but as Fallen Angel mentioned above, I don’t have the energy to engage those like I did in my 20s. I do have them still, but the intensity only lasts a week or two now. If it isn’t going anywhere I don’t have the time or energy for it. As far as the heavy crushes being projections of animus, I can see that. But I do believe most of my crushes are karmic recognitions. They aren’t based on looks or personalities! HUH?

  17. In my experience, the Animus is just whatever is left over after you sort out the nightmare of the Anima. Socially, we project our bags on the feminine (or so we have for several centuries). And its this social baggage that is the cause of the Anima/Animus struggle. I don’t see how a psyche, energy, or soul could be genderized. We spend lives as each. Its all projection. I did spend a lot of time on this stuff. And I found once I made peace with my Anima, myself as Anima, the Animus was there as part of me too. The Anima gets much more attention in Jungian writing because the greater social conflict is between men and their feminine side. I don’t think that says anything about the nature of men. Its a condition society places on them. Not sure anything I say makes, but that’s my hurried expression of opinion.

    • It makes perfect sense to me. When i first heard of Jung, my bestie was heavily into J thought, and i found much of it similar to religious teachings from part of my background, and the other part polarised, ie by gender, or compartmentalised, ie by archetype. Dichotomy is also similar to many orthodoxies.

      At the moment, though, in a discussion of interaction between people of gender, i think there is a social context that to some degree may shape many people’s perception of themselves, which they bring into relationship. I get more from this topic if i remove masculine/feminine and think more of Shadow or Unconscious and Conscious. Or even the Recognised and the Unexpressed. Somewhere many people learn that it is not safe, or valued, or powerful to be female in various cultural paradigms. I’m one of those and much happier with the feminine than previously, though i don’t know that some aspects i identify as feminine are properly recognised in orthodox anglosaxon type culture.

      • Yes – the shadow self is something that makes much more sense to me. The romantic/gender assumptions of anima/animus are too restricted by social meaning to really let the psyche offs it’s leash. Greeting your shadow…that’s where it’s at for me.

        • Ooh, I like that. Greeting my and everyone else’s shadow’s are my life’s impulse tbh. Scorpio Moon natch, lol.
          And too true about the subjugation of the Divine Femme, am a bit less concerned about my animus than my anima and where she is at..

          • When you find one, you find the other. I had experience uncovering past lives. In one, I was stuck for a bit. I was hangged. I could feel it still. I could see the crowd. My throat would spasm. Intense. When I got past that one, I got to my goddess story. And then I realized – and I read this or heard this when I was an English Lit student – the hangings of women were fertility ceremonies. They were castration of men – punishing men for loving the goddess. I’m sure I could find a way to be more academic about that truth. But suffering through my own hanging, reconnecting to my own goddess story, those experiences have given me enormous compassion for men. Not what I expected.

            • Rather, I should say, they were anti-fertility ceremonies. And those acts of hanging women were desecration of the sacredness of fertility – which is shared by both genders. Men are fertile.
              Women are fertile. For centuries, we have been told we don’t have a right to that power. And making it about gender is part of keeping that war going.

              • Ugh. I keep going. I won’t divide myself like that any longer – engage in a gender war. There is either creative, fertile autonomy and flow, or not. And men/women can block you or aid you. There is no evil against our gender. There is an evil againsts our freedom.

                • Am currently reading B. Hand Clow’s ”The Mind Chronicles” which is her journey through her past lives. It is harrowing and describes a similar past life journey to your own. The supression of the goddess in ritual was deeply disturbing news to me. Fascinating!!

                  • It is fascinating. And strange to feel connected to it personally. But, it isn’t personal. Almost nothing is. Perhaps that’s a condition of the 12th house.

                    • 12thhouse is so feeling yet impersonal, that is it’s extradimensional ability showing?

                    • My moon is in the 12th….the personal, emotional, interdimsional all are interlaced for me.

  18. What happens if you almost never have males in your dreams?
    I think I’m one of those masculine-acting women, but at least I know it and it’s not a secret.

    • ok i take that back. The rare dreams I have that contain people in them, if there is a male is he like an old sage-y hermit-y Ben Kenobi sort of guy. WTF? No stud-muffins? :( That is probably what is wrong with me.

  19. I wish I wasn’t so sleepy, so many wonderfully interesting comments here I’d like to acknowledge. Thanks for the pre bed read guys. I love Jung, I love Liz Greene’s Jungian astro but I agree, she can be a little too depressing at times. I don’t like this image, it gives me the creeps. A Dangerous Method is a weird film, I really enjoyed it but I’m never sure how I feel about Chronenburg movies. They give me the creeps even when he isn’t going all sci fi.

    I think my Animus/Anima are way out of sync, I’m extremely prone to massive projection situations and endlessly attracted to men who are very similar to me/who I’d like to be. Complex ya.

  20. It is not my usual style but I like the image. The girl, immature but loaded with youthful energy and wonder, bursts forward intently and head-first (like a Ram) to keep pace with the magical man who could fly along even faster (Mercurial feet) but is showing a bit of restraint. The musical surround about them is lovely.

  21. As for dreams of my animus – I haven’t been on the lookout but have had dreams with a male (sometimes asexual) guide offering some degree of assistance or positive presence. Have also had dreams where I’ve been amazed to discover that I had a penis …

    • That would be cool to find a penis on myself. Think of all the fun you could have with both!

        • She didn’t say she had to go box-less! =D I’m assuming it means you get both. But I’m an optimist about these things.

            • In the penis dream I realized my unfamiliar anatomy near the end of a sweet moment of bliss – with a woman. At first I assumed I was “me” using my vagina having sex with a man. After, when I stood up I felt the weight, bounce and odd external sense of that penis. It was joyful – not because of being male or of not being female but the transportation into an alternate life and the weird novelty of suddenly having a penis.

  22. First thing I saw—Dana GEbhardt—on Astro.com and a contributor to The MountainAstrologer..was describing a scene during her pluto transit…her husband was leaving her. She was hanging onto his leg, to stop him from going. He did leave and she moved on they both fared better…

    • Oh you are right. He’s got a creepy hand and a look that is like the Pied Piper of Hamelin.

  23. There is an utterly amazing book called ‘Mercurius’ on this very subject of the animus. The author (whose name escapes me but I can find out if anyone is interested) claims it is based on a true story. In it, the heroine of the story makes the ‘mystical marriage’ by joining with her animus. This book will make your hair stand on end!

    Integrating the animus into your own conscious awareness is – I think – a key part of what the alchemists called the mystical marriage or union of luna and sol.

    • would love to know more about Mercurius – don’t they say it is dangerous to become too mixed up with your anima/animus -that you are supposed to integrate it. is there such a thing as a super modern Jung perspective? The ones i know tend to revere the trad…but i’d love to hear about one that blended it with Maslow & self-actualizing, filtered the Jung and his followers genius through a modern, feminist-friendly/gay aware perspective and THEN saw what we got with it.

      • Sorry folk – away from home front. Details re Mercurius – author Patrick Harpur. Hardback is published by Macmillan London. First published 1990.

        Oh, must mention: the sub-title is: The Marriage of Heaven and Earth.

        And if you discover the prima material, please let me know!

  24. there are really excellent books about the anima/animus subject written by the amazing Marie-Louise Von Franz, a very close to Jung collaborator.
    She’s a capricorn, and her style of writing is clear and sharp, she’s very down to earth in explaining concepts such as those above.
    one book I found really terrific is “Shadow and evil in fairytales”, in which she conduct a lucid analysis, through dreams, farytales and case studies, about these two aspects of the psyche when they are not in the right “light”.
    I really enjoyed these books, it’s like Jung made simpler and clearer.
    besides that, I had a very vivid dream last night. I’m during a saturn squaring venus transit (..:-((…!!!) and my love-lust life has been inexistent during the last period…apparently, I go on fine with it, I just accept my shitty loneliness and detachment from relationships. BUT, in this dream I was having a really wild session of sex with Jeanne Pierre White!!!!!!:)))))…you know, the guy who makes the ad for Knorr, the anti Gordon Ramsay! I don’t have the slightest idea of what that could be meaning, I wonder what kind of strange animus this would represent…

  25. I’m one of those who has had hideous crushes, the last one which began start of December last year, short Venus/Neptune transit, along with all the other transits going on, of course.

    This caught me totally by surprise, and left me hideously love sick. Hideous is the word for this experience. I found it very destabilising as it really did overwhelm my weeping sisters moon 29 deg Taurus, who’s ideal would be the eternal fantastic dream wedding. My Sun is a real blessing with the outer planets, and nicely helps my Venus, my only challenge with Sun is that it sesquiquadrates my Moon. My Moon is another story.

    This particular heart warping had to happen for me to learn something important i think, in hindsight. I had to question ‘all my old ideas’ and even my morals and values. I did Saturn re the thing. Oh i have so much to grok – still.

    However, my evolutionary path is relationships and sex, relationships i could grok that – but ‘sex’ of all things (had reading done) – i would have thought anything but ‘sex’ previously as i am gen x and again had all these mad warped assumptions about what my dull future would probably be. i’d resigned myself to a life of friendships and independence and finding my own way sans man previously, a bit naive and sad i can certainly grok now, i would not wish this on any woman when i think of others.

    It all left me shockingly aware of the enormity and power of my moon/emotions to completely oppose my sun/sane will. It has certainly increased self awareness. I’ve settled down now of course and am glad i held back, knowing at least that i was feeling ridiculously out of control emotionally and that the situ did not feel ‘right’ for several reasons.

    I am glad for the learning now and all the processing and journalling i had to do to get myself sorted. I am still walking in the dark and that’s ok i cannot know the future, it will be interesting. i have faith that at least i’ve gained awareness, feel good and not scared or blind so much now, as i was. I don’t need to fear, worship or lose myself, i don’t want to either. I want to strike a balance. I see how i go next round.

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