The Saturn Mastery Group

Hannes Bok – The Enchanted City 

Yes, I know i was going to call this the Saturn Support Group but then i did my Tarot with the question being (more or less) “how the hell am i going to cope with Saturn on my Moon for the next 13 months?” and got Five Of Wands in the “Advice” position.

So far as I’m concerned, that means get a grip, stop grizzling and come out fighting. So forget about “support” – this is now the Saturn Mastery Group. Or Mistressy.  The point is we are not going under just because Saturn is transitting whatever for more than a year.

Note: Saturn is from 22 Libra to 29 Libra until October 2012. So you’re in our club for SURE if you have anything in the late degrees of Libra and then we’ll also take you if you’ve got anything in late Aries, Capricorn or Cancer-Kataka. Other stuff going on? Try us and see but please don’t attempt to gain entry to our exclusive scene if you’re just talking about a cute little trine from Saturn to your Juno or whatevs. 

So here are some things that i always find helpful to remember with Saturn transits. Maybe you will too. There is also a LOT in the archives here, if you search the Saturn category. 

* If you are not looking after yourself in any way, you will be forced to with a strong enough Saturn transit. eg; i am typing this on antibiotics from having to have a root canal, prob the result of dental neglect during the heady years of Pluto & Uranus aspecting my Sun-Venus conjunction. 

* Dentistry – somehow – always seems to go with Saturn transits. Do not diss dentistry at this time. Find yourself a fang farrier whom you adore and get with the super-human oral hygiene plan, sans resentment. Besides, if you are now after your first Saturn Return, getting your teeth & gums properly maintained is the most youthifying thing you can do.  

* If you’re having a Saturn transit now, it WILL be for the next year so don’t just think in terms of a quick-fix, never a good idea with Saturn anyway. And it may feel onerous, i was really annoyed when i realized my Saturn-Moon thing was starting as I kept thinking “sometime in the future” but it’s NOW, but it’s actually excellent to be having a Saturn transit when Pluto is in Capricorn, the sign ruled by Capricorn. We will be like the crack troops of Pluto in Capricorn. No WAY will be we be too busy having a good time to do the right thing with the Zap Zone tensions of 2012…that’s Uranus square Pluto. 

* Spreadsheeting can be sexy. In fact, it will HAVE to be. Don’t lose a grip on your numbers – $$$, weight, folic acid count, whatever – crunch the numbers.  Saturn transits may make you bad-tempered but the Thin & Rich thing is not a myth. It’s mostly because all you do is eat (nutritionally optimal foods), train, sleep and work but still…results, yes? 

* Have a strategy for whatever ails you.  Triage it. As in sort out what is most important, don’t waste mental energy on crap. 

* Your mindset HAS to be mature – you can’t greet Saturn shite with victim mentality or a drama-queenie fluster attack, you have to be the Mature One. Even if you don’t want to be.  It doesn’t  matter whether it’s your kids, boss, parents, ex, partner or whomever stressing you, you’re the leader-person now. They say that the best grapes in the world are deliberately put through stressful conditions to improve their taste. 

* Relationships – no room for indulgence. You may enjoy psycho-drama with sexy hot peeps who won’t be consistent but that’s not a Saturn transit relationship. Get prepped for some mutual respect, glacier-speed build up of getting to know one another and possible longevity through time. Romances formed under Saturn transits tend to have massive endurance and strength. Maybe because you’re not relaxed and half-drunk when “choosing” your partners lol. 

Please share your thoughts on these and then your own Saturn Mastery Tips here.  

 

 

 

203 thoughts on “The Saturn Mastery Group

  1. Eek, Just realised all those poor peeps currently Saturn Returning (1st one) will also be doing Saturn crossing Pluto. Bit of a rough deal, no?
    Think I’m just dodging the bullet (and outta the club) with Pluto at 20 Lib, but have certainly been feeling that transit.

      • So we doing it now! Ms too I suspect. I’ve been calling it ‘the season of amorphous inner change’. Major shifts in personal goals, where I want to focus energy, what I should be doing next etc, but weird, as I know I really WANT change, and I know what I no longer want to be doing, but can’t quite put the finger on what it is I’d rather be doing, it’s still an amorphous concept of change. But let’s trust Saturn will help focus it up…

        • I like your choice of exprezzion, Lexicorn: ‘the season of amorphous inner change’.

          I agree Lexicorn & Bgem, Saturn helps you be a better version of yourself.

          So, Saturn, take up your chizzle and continue to chip away at me from both inside and outside directions. Re-interpret me. I do not want to be like the status quo. I do not want to be a book that has already been written before. I want to be ME.

        • I planned my move back here for saturn/pluto. I have been less gracefully calling it ‘life enema’

    • yes i was going to ask if this is the reason why fun has been mysteriously forbidden to me the last 12 months. it’s really quite rude.

      • :D

        i love this site. i have like a thousand ‘SO ITS NOT JUST ME’ moments every frikking day.

      • Me too, was just thinking that I don’t really have any fun anymore and that I need more fun. How do you have good clean fun though?

        Are you allowed to have fun if under a saturn transit? Even if its wholesome?

        Ooo, maybe you learn HOW to have WHOLESOME fun. Or not….blerg. I need a holiday and some fun.

    • Same here, I have Pluto at 29 Libra… does that mean I’m going to need to sign up to the Mastery Group? I’ll be having my first Sat return in 12 months, so don’t really want to OD on the shizz.

    • I didn’t notice Saturn conj Pluto so much.
      Perhaps I was too Neptune sq Sun/Merc vague.
      Maybe it’s more problematic if you’ve not been working that area?

      Saturn sq Saturn and Pluto sq Pluto at the sane (ha supposed to be same) time will be a blast I reckon.
      Luckily I’ve already scheduled up something that will be a lot of hard work and result in an ending and transformation of some sorts. What else can one do?
      As long as I can see through the Neptune transit fog.

      • What is a bit unfortunate however is that all those squares go on for ages after the work/change thing. Like you know, I’m going to have to keep on working and changing even after doing that bit of big work/change.
        Bugger.

        • And now I’ve had the flash that given my natal Saturn and natal Pluto both make friendly aspects to my Sun/Merc that those transits are perhaps the way through the Neptune fog.
          QED.
          Love it when talking to yourself in public turns out useful.

      • saturn on my pluto was truly the darkest point in my whole life….I went to a horrible dark place and faced my darkest shadow.
        But I have compassion and understanding that I never had before. I am stronger. I survived my own demons.

        Glad to read others are having an easier go of it. At the time transiting saturn was also inconjunct my natal mars and sextile my natal moon.

        • bummer. Good that you feel stronger for it.
          Was it an out of the blue thingy? or something you’d been procrastinating on that finally had it’s way?

          I missed out on the whole back and forth retro bollocks as well, which may have been a part of it. And had other stuff going on.

          • thanks…
            It had been building, being in libra it involved relationships. I lost my mind for awhile, lost my temper, lost my control. fun. But I am a stronger person for it.

  2. I’m still going through my Saturn transit but think the worst may now be over as it hit my degree of Aries last month. In the last year and a half, I’ve learnt to be patient; to bide my time and bite my tongue, which is tres hard for us Aries folks. It’s all about perserverance and boundaries but I have come out the other end a calmer more considerate person. I feel ready for whatever comes next as I have done the due dilligence through my Saturn transit.

  3. Libra 23 degrees Uranus, Aries 23 degrees Chiron. Am I in?

    1. Teeth. Yes. Since last November. Every month. Around $1200 although the last one was $2700. Consequence of severely bad major surgery/dental work done to me in my teens. Added bonus: getting to talk to my mother about the consent she gave for incredibly invasive dental work when I was 15, and about the incredible ongoing cost (upwards of $20,000) and a statement that I can no longer maintain the damage it has done to my teeth, my skull, my general health, and my wallet, withouot help, and that I need her help without either of us crying victim or martyr. And I got it! Extra added bonus – realising what said surgery did to my fragile sense of self and beauty. Understanding the trauma that the extreme pain of it caused. Kicking that image and that pain to the curb, because it doesn’t apply and hasn’t applied for years. Looking in the mirror and seeing the truth. Growing up.

    2. New business. All. My. Time. – Major morph. Me as the controller of my dreams. Hard. Worth it.

    3. Spreadsheets galore. Advanced, even. Just asked my business mentor yesterday for advanced spreadsheeting tutorial. Beginning with spreadsheeting my business, I have moved to spreadsheeting my life. Once upon a time I would have found this to be terrifying behaviour. These days it turns me on so much I need a cold shower. Better yet, I don’t care who doesn’t think it’s sexy. They can do whatever they want, but leave me alone with my spreadsheets.

    4. Yes, yes and yes. As in, coffee makes me antsy – stop drinking it. Sugar makes me itch. Toss it all out. Some certain people are beginning to overstep the line…freak out and scream, but then calm down and work out a point-by-point strategy which gives them no room to speculate, manouevre, or lay a finger on me and mine. And will see them wondering for the rest of their days how they could have got it so damn wrong.

    5. Hell yes. I have been through the back of beyond of shit in the last three years. I have gone through victim to helplessness and fear, through to anger, to acceptance, and whacko, here I am, all of those emotions got me to where I am now. Situation happens again? Yours truly looks at it, assesses what the effort is worth, spreadsheets it, plots, plans, and then acts, calmly, sometimes coldly, with a lovely smiley front which will either give way to lovely smiley genuineness or cold professional genuineness depending on which one is required. And I can switch in about 5 seconds flat.

    6. Dude who was the first person to give me a hand up became my lover, then my business partner, now my close friend, first person ever to come to my country after I’d been to theirs – the more we get to know each other, the more we like what we find. I have never had a man like this near me before – no soppy romanticism here, he’s got my back and I’ve got his. Deep respect and understanding. Extreme trust. What it feels like to have someone back you up to this extent, and to be able in return to back someone else up. And to have the power to back someone else up. He met me when I was down on the ground and almost out for the count. And now, I’m 10 feet tall and I can return the favour. Except it doesn’t feel like a favour any more, it feels like life.

    So, am I in?

    • Hi Seabird, Are you in ? … You’re our Shining Example of how to handle Saturn. xxx

    • Hi Seabird, it’s me Bluesky. I definitely relate to #5!!! Down to the steely smile while one hand crunches number as the other cleans windows as the other (yes, I think I have a third hand!) sifts through emails and types responses.

      • I suppose I should say a lovely smile of steel (?) unfolding from genuine ability to smile way through all manner of duty due to deep understanding of necessary attitude for growth (born out of Saturn kicks to the head when attitude falters to less than charming)

        in other words, a smile goes a long way

        plus it prevents wrinkles…

        • You know that if you just type your name in the little name box it should stay. Unless you clear your cache. You don’t need to log in to anything.

          • Hey Goldfleece, I think I’m very in. If this is what Saturn does, then bring on Saturn. It’s very painful, it’s like doing mega-gym training – it hurts but the results are worth it

            Hey Bluesky – haven’t seen you round for a while (but then, I’m in and out lately). Due to Saturn? Take Shell’s very Saturnine advice. But then, because I’m so Saturned out, i now regularly clear my cache. It makes my computer more efficient.

            • That’s what happened. I keep cleaning my cache for other reasons re: computer glitches. Okay, thanks for explaining:) It’s so easy I don’t really need to prioritize. Thank heaven. Otherwise, don’t know when it would get done. I’d have to spreadsheet it.

              Although, I’ve made so many calendars and created options for “writing things down so I don’t forget” that I have to cross reference my calendars. I am dead sure there’s some technological antidote to this, but, again, finding a solution is outweighed by things like being a taxi driver for kids and for example this morning getting in a round of emails with extended family to determine coordinates of Hurricane Rina against coordinates of parents’ cruise ship. Outcome? They match exactly. Oy.

              • Here’s my simple thing that I do. All of the following is for my work which is also my life. I have a diary, and I have a large cheap hardcover A4 notebook. Into the diary goes exact dates and times of all appointments, names, number etc. Into the notebook goes everything else. Every day, I date the next clean page of my notebook and I write at the top a list of what needs to be done that day (often i write it the night before – if it;s vitally important or several days/weeks ahead it goes into the diary). This way i can cross off all the trivial things and they are not cluttering up my diary, which is quite small and comes with me everywhere. the notebook stays home, on my desk. Also into the notebook go records of who I talked to that day and the outcomes of the conversations, any inspirational stuff or ideas or things to follow up, and records of payments made and received.

                I have another book, my journal – which is purely personal – for recording dreams, deep thoughts, and romantic entanglements and revelations and snippets of books.

                The diary lives in my handbag or by the phone. The large notebook lives on my desk. The journal lives next to my bed.

                This sounds really anal (sorry, read Saturnish), but it works very well for me, and allows my creative stuff to flow over everywhere.

                • Thanks, Seabird. It helps to hear how others do things. I love that you include where you keep everything!!! Tres important!!!

  4. Saturn in Libra currently transiting my 12th House.
    I am trying to figure out if I am having any major other plant transits atm.
    Saturn opp. my Jupiter Taurus in my 7th House.
    I wish I understood this better.

  5. I’m in! I’ve been through the worst of it (knock wood), but I have an upcoming transit to Mars that will also square my moon and oppose Jupiter. *begins to bite nails but stops and decides to go floss*

    • signed Bluesky! I’d fix the anon thing but don’t know how and must prioritize fixit job way down list of things to do

  6. Have Saturn squaring my moon and Asc both in Cap. Feeling quite isolated and left out right now. Trying to be a big girl but all I really want to do is stay home and eat ice cream. Lol.

  7. Ok I thinking definitely qualify as natally I have Pluto at 28 degrees libra, and then as soon as that’s over I am straight into Saturn v Saturn at 1 degree Scorpio! Oh man… And I only just started recovering from Pluto transiting my conjuct neptune/sun/ascendent! And now I don’t even get to whinge about it?! [grumbles to self as opens excel]

  8. Hmm. Pluto in Libra at 16 so I escape on the count too (thank god, in 10th). But Venus and Mars in Aries 26 and 28 degrees respectively, both in 4th? What does that mean? No love till Oct 2012?!?!?

  9. saturn at 0 degrees retro scorpio. do i slide in under the wire? and how does having been born under retrograde affect me??

  10. Saturn is squaring my Aries ascendant, 29 degrees. Eek. Have no idea what this means but am assuming it is about tempering impulsiveness with mature action. Anyone else have Saturn asc action going on??

  11. well how about us natal lifers living a saturn transmerde i mean really saturn in the seventh right on square neptune, smack opposite venus,asc. and nnode great goddess a freak show while shuffling thru zapzone city 6 degree cancer having played with saturn girl for quite some time now i’m thinking i wanna play with the peeps down the street the ones with the blue hootchie juice (love my neptune square venus aspect) oh my as you can soo see i am a bonafide charity case looking for support will you count me in coach?

  12. I really like these comments about Saturn/Moon aspects…my Moon is in Aries at 7 and had the transit earlier this year…but Uranus is kicking in (conjunct) and Pluto squaring it…having Solar Arc Saturn also approaching my Moon…all of what is said feels very familiar (everything except that Uranus on my Moon is making me a bit eccentric/Uranus being my Sun ruler)…still waiting for that steady relationship, but eh! with Pluto squaring the Moon, I will learn fast enough what won’t work anymore for me….

  13. Oh, well you bring up something I hadn’t even gotten to Mystic. Saturn will be square my Moon in 8th but they are ruled by Saturn and since Saturn still in my 5th, not a bad thing to continue being discerning…

    Yes, when Saturn came out of my 12th 10 years ago was in great shape due to the gym being my life saver. Lonely, but lovely ;)

    • And I checked when Progressed Saturn moved into orb of opposition to my Progressed Venus..That was 2005, the exact year I broke it off final with Pisces (he had been gone for three years btw and I gave it one more shot).

      Saturn just brings you too far to go back. Still loved him tho.

      Never the less, I have been single for those six years. Again, astro amazing. x

      • Long Toro silence on the phone today when he thought I’d meant 8:00 am tomorrow instead of pm.

        I said “you sound apprehensive…I mean we can always get together another time”

        “No” he said, I guess that’s okay”..

        “The reason is because I get off late…seven o’clock”

        “I thought you meant 8:00 in the morning”

        “oh god no…I have to be to work at 9……You’re funny”

        Men….lol

        Was sweet tho that he was still willing to make the sacrafice…

      • With your Prog chart Sweetpea do you use the natal and progressed chart or just go off the progressed? Either way I just noticed that Saturn is conjunct my sun :o and still conjunct (but now sep) my natal saturn :o :o

  14. I am relatively free of this transit YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

    sorry but I just had to gloat a bit. ;)

  15. Sun, Jupiter, and Pluto in Libra at 28, 22, and 24 respectively. AND my Saturn is in Libra (but at 14). Scary, but I’m excited to see how I come out at the other end.

  16. p.s. dear mystic team , i really wanna have a good game plan and truly play to the best of my abilities i understand all of the saturn challenges that i wear seem like a weak link but i do pocket a tight sun, jupiter, neptune trine that give grace sooo i’m not too much of a wet blanket on the bench. Yes to Mastering Sir Saturn !!! whoa time to sleep reality is tiring… neptune dreaming is calling sweet somethings…

  17. OK, having survived Saturn transits as (i) conj DSC, (ii) square Sun (iii) conj Pluto (iv) conj Uranus.

    What I have learned so far: Print Mystic’s advice – her points are true, I lived and survived to tell.

    Now getting ready for Saturn square my Capricorn Moon until October 2012. Until October 2012 I will be dealing with whatever I’ve neglected since 2007.

    So sign me up.

      • Uranus was the last in line, so it was a breeze. The worst parts were the initial stages, when I didn’t know anything about Mystic’s advice and committed every single item in Mystic’s “don’t do” list. It was awful, truly awful. I look back, shake my head and still ask WTF I was thinking.

        With Saturn, even Uranus is tamed – I learned the importance of timing when it comes to “announcing” spontaneous decisions. Initial act was from Uranus, the decision of how and when to unleash was taken care by Saturn :-)

  18. Saturn opposite my moon! Can feel it. Am making huge bounds forward on emotional front, but it is a streetfight internally.

  19. I’m in. Mars at 22 Libra (Jupiter at 17 Libra, and I’ve lost about 15 pounds in the last three months). When Saturn hits Scorpio, it’ll transit Neptune first, then the rest of my stellium. All this in my ginormous sixth house, so it’s dreadfully tedious.

  20. Sun @ 29 Cancer. I just bookmarked this page. (Wow, Seabird: food for thought!!) Think I’ve been feeling Saturn coming on for 6 mo anyway, or maybe it’s Pluto in my 6th … yes to all the teeth & health stuff, the sudden awareness I’m treating myself like crap physically and working way too hard, worst grind of my life. Changes are definitely needed but Oct 2012 seems far away:(

  21. Saturn transit at Libra MC, fell over dead tired yesterday,crashed for 12 hrs!Woke up fresh as a daisy ~ a novel idea, this sleeping thing. I like.
    Back in the saddle ! YeeHAW
    (Neptune is the current bugger, truthfully.)
    Since you mentioned teeth, when Saturn Rx was transit opp my natal Saturn Rx, (in Aries) my teeth/head just hurt like crazy…pain passed with the transit, thankfully. I have good teeth, and headaches are normal for me, but the teeth thing…just strange Saturn stuff.

      • Thanks Sweets, I figured Jupiter is the only thing NOT currently bopping off my pinball machine. Am getting Neptuned from both sides. pfft … kinda feeling like Storm from X-Men.
        ah, tornado again. whatever. LOL :D

  22. Wow where do i sign up? Here are my Saturn Creds

    MC at 20 Libra
    Venus at 21 Aries
    Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune at 25, 9, and 14 Capricorn respectively
    Jupiter at 10 Cancer (I know, not close in the slightest, but still- Jupiter!)
    Added Pluto cred at 15 Scorpio
    And finally, Intercepted Cap Rising.

    I am the Cardinal Crisis lol.

  23. Yesp, I like this Mastery Group thing … I can already feel the power … have declared it before, gotta do it again tho, am also a Pluto 17, been there, and am not long out of saturn return, so here goes for Saturn over my moon AND opposing Mars and Mercury!! Maturity = grace. I like that. I like glacial respectful deep relationships. Yay. Triage. A word that has been sprouting like mushrooms around me in different contexts.

    currently, Saturn is squashing Venus – boxing gloves – ouch and weird and poignant – a new openess directly because of a new boundary (love that bovine and fence analogy someone was talking of here recently) – still, perplexing is the word

  24. Recently T saturn square sun…
    currently….T saturn square natal saturn, T saturn opposite natal jupiter
    Next….T saturn opposite chiron and sextile mercury.
    Then T saturn conjunct Uranus….
    Definately card carrying member for a long stretch to come….

    today, I got some results back for a lyme disease test…..I tested positive. Feel blah….
    I went to deal with some paperwork for disabilty. Most people get turned down the first time, but I figured I would start the process. The CDC is really picky about who they qualify as lyme positive and I don’t meet their high standards, which means it isn’t recognized by social security as Lyme. But I have other prior diagnoses that aren’t good either.
    Afterwards I went shopping and bought some adorable just above the ankle boots I adore.

    My skin is pissed today, itching like mad. Bummed about virgo, wishing he would man up but knowing he won’t. Business with exhubby is super busy and trying to help as much as I can.

    Meanwhile, I just want to play the flute. Got asked to play with a band even! But no where good enough yet.

  25. Thanks Medusa, I needed this yesterday! As Saturn approached my first return, I was having some amazing career boosts, and thought that was my Saturn return. Yesterday as the return perfected, I ended up in hospital unable to breathe and with a incredibly rapid heartbeat. Turns out I’ve developed asthma as a 29yr old. Good move Saturn, I did not see that one coming! The rest of the transit should be really fun!

    • PS this is all happening in my 12th house conjunct Mars, Pluto and Athena, all retrograding :)

  26. My Saturn transit is going to be ultra strong then. I have a natal moon in li ra conjunct Saturn and Pluto in tenth house all in libra. Plus these three planets are sextile my Neptune conj ascendant conj south node in Sagittarius first house. I think I ll need help by the end of Saturn transit!

  27. Hey guys, these are really interesting…I think Saturn often equates with challenges of health/money and/or dealing with authority figures. But you don’t go around dreading it, you over the top in dealing with it. AND often the probs that are emerging have to do stuff done or not done a while ago so it is actually GOOD it is coming to your attention. It feels stressful and i am not taking that away from anyone or trying to say a negative diagnosis or being sacked is like WOW-great! But generally there IS a solution and that will turn out to be better than the status quo and it is something grotty that was previously hidden. I have seen countless examples of this.

    Here is just one: client of mine, gorgeous guy, Saturn on his Mars (from memory, maybe it was Venus, Saturn was all over the place) and so in one month he gets diagnosed with a liver weakness that means he can NOT ever drink alcohol again, just can’t. So that’s huge, his job is in high end marketing
    with a high end champagne company as sponsor, guzzling champers at polo part of job, seriously…But just as he is worrying about that, he gets sacked and long story short, his girlfriend HATES him not drinking, finds him boring. So voila – from engaged horray Henry with lucrative job to teetotaller single unemployed dude in a month – thank you Saturn. But he is now HEAPS happier, feel madly in love and has just started his dream biz.

    2nd Point: Don’t read some of the definitions for Saturn transits you find online or in textbooks. Not bagging out other peeps work but some of them are so negative, you read them and want to move off-planet.

    And remember; have a plan for whatever it is you are worried about. This always helps with Saturn.

    • yeah! this sort of happened to me last week – saturn on venus perhaps? or early saturn other stuff lol – but lost the job that had triggered me into further study. The job itself was a barely there admin thing, very wrong fit, but the situation completely clarified this for me. Within the week tho, 3 jobs have come up that are exactly where I want to be heading. Whether I get one is another thing. But, how saturn places you into better situations, and clarifications is facinating. Another example. A man i have felt perplexed and attracted and distracted by for a long time. He now in a new r’ship. Painful. But because of it, more open, understanding conversation btwn us happening. I actually find it soothing. You can TRUST saturn. No tricks. Straight up.

    • I agree that the Saturn stuff does make for some amazing new beginnings. I can see it…right there. Just going through the chit is some of the most challenging. You can see the mess you’ve got yourself in but can’t always see the way out.

      Thanks for the timely post Mystic x

      Question for anyone: How long does the after effects of a conjunction last? For example: Saturn went over my Uranus a couple months back but the effects are now coming to a head.

      • not really sure but i tend to apply 4 degrees before and on conjunction, maybe applied 4 degrees after as well like the shadow zone?? keep looking at my ephemeris to check when pluto will pass oppositioning my sun thinking the same thing when it passes is it over? or is there a shadow zone?? but nooo fuqing retrogrades come along and gotta put the muck boots back on. i mean honestly giddy up lol just have to…

    • I had a maturing-type experience in 2009 where I had to challenge authority, and Saturn in my chart at that time was saying ‘there’s a better way to do this’. So yeah, I totally agree with you Mystic.

      In fact, when you posted the blog entry about the upcoming 2012 scopes and noted saturn in Scorpio is coming, I actually felt a little bit sad that saturn will leave Libra and move into Scorpio. That’s weird (insanity), because the last two years feels like I’ve walked through fire and emerged so much stronger and healthier. Sometimes, it has been a deep, daily draw of something ~ strength, drive and determination. Like when a baby is born and it takes it’s first breath – I’ve had to take a deep breath in and go forth in the face of big challenges.

      Yes, I would be in the Saturn mastery group.

  28. I thought I wouldn’t be allowed in, but like Seabird, I have Uranus 23 deg Lib Fleur, then Chiron 24 Aries – 10th house. Little mystery bird, I will look him up.

    But right now Saturn is SITTING on my Vesta. But it seems a bit natural as a pairing. Still, slightly rude/ominous.
    I have been totally weird about protecting my and my kid’s aura’s since I had them. In the last week I totally learned fool-proof methods and now I feel ..wow. Like I had all this noise in my field and now there is peace!

    I think that is a Saturn-Vesta Lesson, seeing how she looks after the city gates no?

    My 4th house is ruled by Virgo and Saturn is chugging through that right now. We did a space clearing – I ended up learning that too. The clearer came back to help me clear another space and was like, “So why I am here?” we had a great time together!

    I wonder what will happen when Saturn gets to Uranus? I hope to use the energy as positively as possibly and ground that lightning bolt! Go Saturn!

  29. Health-wise I’ve mastered Saturn, I reckon. I’ve been signed off the Medicare Health Support plan today, lost 5.5kgs, got my blood pressure down from 160/99 to 145/80. no medication needed, just dietary change, increased activity and a bit of DISCIPLINE! Just call me Madam Lash. And in celebration (any old excuse) I went out and bought a black maxi dress, a black lacy cardie, and a purple tunic. I am actually finding Saturn a bit of alright, something which has been missing all my life.

      • Thanks, ff, when I nearly carked it of heat stroke 2 years ago, my BP was 220 over 160, heartbeat 40, so to finally crack it and get it down to 142/80 feels terrific. I realised I’d got the number wrong, not 145 but 145, even better!

  30. Mystic– Thank you so much for showing me a new and positive way to look at Saturn transits.

    At the moment Saturn is moving through my HUGE intercepted 6th house and is….:

    Opposite my Aries Moon (23 Aries)
    Square my IC/MC (23 Can/Cap)
    Aside from Uranus, Chiron and Venus, all my planets land between 21 & 28 degrees of signs, so Saturn will be hitting almost everything in my chart over this upcoming year.

    Earlier it passed over my Uranus, Chiron and Venus (6 Libra, 9 Aries & 13 Libra).

    I got my first cavity — first FIVE actually — late last year as Saturn transited my progressed Sun and natal Uranus and Venus. I need to go back in for a check up. I was putting it off, but now I see that may not be wise. I also find I’ve been brushing too hard and wearing away my enamel.

    I had surgery to remove an ovarian tumor in March as Saturn stationed over my Venus. I radically changed my diet this fall after being a total brat about having to give up “good” foods. No sugar, gluten or processed foods for me!

    Now if I veer off it even a little bit, my body goes ballistic! By keeping a food journal I was able to determine that if I have sugar, I will get break-through bleeding (sorry for the TMI), but if I keep it clean and eat organic, healthy foods, my body is okay. My body is also super sensitive to gluten too. My taste buds have completely changed, and I’m craving vegan foods. I never thought that day would come. (I’ve got Taurus rising)….The weight is stubbornly hanging on at the moment, but the body fat is starting to plummet! I also started exercising religiously, and love it.

    I decided that I was tired of life “as is” so I hired a life coach, and I feel like a major move/job offer is just weeks away and I’m going to come out of this in a MUCH better position than I ever dreamed of.

    I’m learning I don’t have to be afraid of Saturn transits …

    • great job gem you are first string playing the saturn girl part we must take the warrior stance and be efficient 6th house is a crucial dutiful house. our body and our daily practice,

  31. Have literally just been through it. My Ascendant is mid-Cap, and Moon and Venus both mid-Cancer, so…..yeah.
    It was un-fun. And I made some of the mistakes mentioned. Yes to a big panic attack (that was right when the nasty Jan eclipse was right on my ascendant) and yes to occasional bouts of victim-hood.
    What I have learned:
    GRATITUDE. Never again will I take for granted the things I did before this time. Love. Friends. Stability. Fun.
    It also showed me that I’m okay whatever happens, which is big. That you can literally strip everything away and it’s still going to be okay, but to frigging APPRECIATE it when times are good.
    And yes lots of lessons about Being a Grown Up too. And weight loss, woot.

  32. Focusing on Saturn in your natal chart def works. My Saturn master plan right now has been interesting cause while I’m in the midst of crap I’ve been turning quite naturally to my Saturn in Taurus without realising. Lots of focus on natural remedies as well as magic (6th house).

    Also nature has been sending me signs. Had a mouse guest visit the last three days (no-one else saw it) and it finally visited me in my bedroom last night :o Mice can be a sign of clutter in your life so today I have been overdoing it re removing any clutter in my life. I’m loving it. Thanks Mr Mouse for the heads up.

    Btw – the mouse was released unharmed :)

    • That’s good to know mousy was not harmed.

      I like your idea of a ‘master plan’.

      My saturn master plan A B and C has been career, self-worth, (shh, money (hate to talk bout it))… Saturn flying over 2nd. It has been lonely, but much needed.

      That Saturn gets things done!

  33. i have saturn transiting my 8th house – thankfully its off my mars and won’t be on my neptune for a while, and no oppositions. any 8th house advice out there??

  34. I’ve gotten a lot by osmosis on this website, but I still really don’t understand much of the technique of chart reading.

    My two Libra planets have this listing:
    Sun – 24 degrees, 38′ 19″
    Mercury – 29 degrees, 31′ 24″

    I don’t understand what the numbers after the degrees are – can someone fill me in? (I googled chart reading for a while but couldn’t find anything to illuminate those additional numbers.)

  35. They are minutes and seconds Odette in Libra .
    Your Sun is in Libra at 24 degrees, 38 minutes and 19 seconds, but you round this up to 24 degrees 38 minutes. For all intents and purposes, 24 degrees is all that’s necessary.
    Think of a clock face. When you want to know the time, you’d ignore the second hand, and see, 10 past 11 or whatever it might be. But if you are a real cosmic obsessive, the seconds are just as important.!

    • Thanks! I had thought it might be that, but couldn’t find confirmation. Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated. :)

      I guess I’m in the mastery group – more as a student than a guide, though, since this Saturn transit has disassembled my whole life and I haven’t nearly got a handle on how to put the pieces back together.

      • hang in there Odette. this happened to me, too! the disassembling of my whole life–or what I thought my life was. what is fantastic is that I still have my health, solid friends, my core self, and have custody of my 3 healthy kids (granted I have custody of 3 kids in varying stages of being a teen, but still, I am GRATEFUL! hormones and all)

        • Thanks, Bluesky. Good to be reminded of the gratitude affirmation – it’s too easy to only focus on fear and loss & complaining.

          I was feeling pretty stuck and stagnant before the Big Saturn Energy hit my Libra fan, so if I survive this period, I may even look back on it and be glad. (If.)

  36. Mystic M and the 5 of Wands in advice position :
    Interesting this, because I think it is suggesting that you need to be careful where and how you use your energy. Very easy to fritter time and talent through boredom, distractions, and um, trivia. 5 of Wands appears to be a battle, but it is not. It is a show of strength, a flexing of muscle, competition, and often comes up to say that the querent needs lots of physical outlets at this time; sport etc. Combine this with Saturn on your Moon, and you might need to psych yourself up into doing more, wasting less, and keeping your eye on what is really important in the big scheme of things and your ultimate soul growth.

  37. oh, sweet lordy me. I submit my application to this club as follows:

    Saturn conjunct my north node (24 Libra) and *opposite* Venus & Chiron in Aries (24 & 29 degrees), 10th house.
    Square moon at 28 cap.
    Trining mars in Aqua and Asc…sextile Dsc.

    I have become a lone wolf and only care about going to the gym, uni work, my bank balance and my usual piscean crushes who I am – thankfully – now subjecting to various forms of critical analysis and Psychological Distancing – even my emotions are on a diet.

    *relief*

    • “even my emotions are on a diet” Ha. love it. I have put mine on one too, along with my rigid limited food intake.

    • PCFR, I’ve been reading your comments and cracking up but also finding myself relating to a lot of them – especially the entire last para.

      “even my emotions are on a diet” :lol: Classic. I have always been a lone wolf though… a lone wolf with Venus in Libra crushes. Psychological Distancing is a preferred way of relating for my Moon in Saggo (11th house), Aqua Psyche and Uranus square moon. Sheesh, I need soooooooo much space. Hehe

      Also wasting heaps of time on the internet. I blame it all on Neptune in 2nd house. It will conjunct my Saturn there at the end of the year. Very interested to see what transpires.

      I have Saturn on MC Libra 28° to look forward to as well. Not fussed though… feeling very Neptunian at the moment. Life’s pretty good… chillin’ with Jupes in my 4th house and loving Scorp season – in my element :)

      • hey TOC, yes scorp season is always good. it’s my 5th house and on the verge of summer here so things always seem to be looking up round now… ;)

        venus in libra / lone wolf combo must be challenging at times?

        • yeah it’s a killer – especially during a Saturn transit and as one advances in age. Don’t exactly feel like having meaningless flings anymore.

      • ToCap, some common ground with a scorpio sun woman I know who is born in year of dragon and also has jupiter in 4th. For her, she loves her home and family life, kin is a blessing and great. I also think Venus in Libra may have similarities with Venus in Virgo

        • Omg! We must be astro sisters. When’s her birthday, moon & rising? Interesting theory on Venus in Libra being similar to Venus in Virgo. I have Mars in Virgo at Zero degrees, so I’m stuffed!! Lol

  38. Venus in Libra at 24.19 … I think that means I’m in too?

    Moon in Cap too, but early, 2.16.

  39. Where is the group? Is there a special place, just done Saturn opp Saturn, Saturn square Sun/ Merc , Saturn coming up to conjunct Mars now

    Do I qualify?!!!

    • Oh, I have Saturn going over Mars as we speak. I feel like so much has happened TO me already. I am gunning for this transit to be about me DOING stuff FOR me (and naturally all the other peeps I’m supposed to be doing stuff for).

      But I feel I am “doing” my Saturn, and I feel relatively confident that I will come out okay. I feel really good about so many very energetic (Mars) things that I am doing (Saturn) now. I feel this way even with the gigantic square being activated by this transit. Why? Not 100% sure, but I also view squares as “leverage” or energy to be used to get oneself catapulted to the next level.

  40. I have both mars and Venus in late Kataka… Not sure what this means regarding Saturn?? Can anyone help?

    • You will have Saturn square your Mars and Venus.
      Squares are pressure. How it plays out in your life will depend on the houses those planets are in.
      Saturn is about structure, and restrictions, Mars is about action, and Venus about beauty and love. So expect a bit tension/restriction/kick up the arse re these areas.

      Mystic will have posts on Mars/Saturn aspects and Saturn/Venus aspects
      Cafe Astrology is good too

      • Mmm thanks Shell, they are tucked up in my 10th house.. Work I think will be extremely busy for me with lots of opportunity after having a bit of a responsibility break. On the weekend I also got some disappointing news about an ex who I worked with (big mistake). Result: closure on an issue that had been lurking for over a year, and wiping my ex out of my life all together, after he tried to implicate me in a work related crime he was being investigated for. I think that it might be about rebuilding all aspects of my life, better and stronger.

  41. I’ve only now started to look at my other transits coming up. I’ve got one eye on Jupiter nearing my moon, before meeting my natal jupiter, then mars, ascendant and venus-Merc… Especially looking forward to jupiter on venus (and uranus too). But i’ve also got my other eye on pluto transit coming up.

  42. Saturn has moved off my natal saturn ( opposing my natal moon ) and sun, but is still sitting near my jupiter ( at 20 Libra ). I have found this THE most stressful time in months. I can no longer leave it to ‘luck’, happy-go-lucky no more..

    Having a hard time with authority figures at the moment. All the action is taking place in my 4th house, basically my actual house, my family life, my core.

    And then, there’s this dark moon too – intense urge to disappear, just wake me up when it’s over..
    Fortunately, after reading others’ experiencies with saturn transits I feel much more motivated, I feel like I am waking up to myself finally.

    In the meantime saturn is approaching my pluto ( 24 Libra ). Better be ready by then!

  43. Well fuq ##$@ I should have known this was a coming, ah baaa I knew I just blocked it from my awareness as I was dealing with other shite. Uranus conjunct chiron oppose uranus and Venus, pluto square Uranus and Saturn patrolling LIbra with most of my chart. Currently have Jupiter on my Saturn while Saturn is on my Jupiter opposing my Ascendent and heading for my Sun – So he is going to retro again isn’t he, crap crap crap, back and forth slap slap slap slap.
    Ok sorry I am done now, I just started to feel like I was emerging and I did know this was coming….
    Sun Libra 25
    Jupiter Libra 18
    Asc Aries 21
    Mars 18 Cap
    MC 24 Cap
    I’ll take a VIP pass thanks and any offers of complimentary therapies or maybe just an induced coma for a year should do the trick!

    Thanks feel better now, bring it on Saturn I am feeling all grwon up now (or is that just an aging spurt)

      • LOL yes I am actually really positive at the moment I have seen the Libran Saturn transit as a mountain, I have made it to the top ( 1 year down one to go)and now have to make it down the other side safely, but I see oh so clearly up here.
        It was just a bit of a slap to see the numbers again :)

  44. i’m not very good astrology, im still a muchos newbie and all my info comes from astrodienst. however from what i can tell i have saturn currently squaring my ascendant and opposing my moon (and something small and jazzy to the sun as well) so im not sure if it fit in this group, but if i do….THIS IS AWESOME!

    i dont post here much but all my past posts here this year have been
    ‘boo hoo broke up with my one major true love, lost my job, life fell to crap, who am i etc etc. i now am kicking arse at uni, making more money than i ever have in my life while working less and meeting the most insane powerful awesome women mentors who just seem to keep helping me and handing me more opportunities etc etc etc. i feel like i could eat the world. i dont even have words for it.

    maybe instead of ‘when god closes a door he opens a window’ and more ‘when saturn tears apart your world he gives you the universe’ tough hard love but so amazing.not saying it’s easy, i still feel like im tight rope walking…but i want more please

  45. Uh-huh, my Sun-ASC Opposition is in 25-21 degrees of Cancer/Capricorn. YAY for Saturn T-Square….not. Lets see…..

    Dental? Check. I’ve already got one wisdom tooth pulled (it was actually coming through and that was an annoying biatch) and I’m still footing the bill for it since dental insurance didn’t come with my job. Oh, and I have 3 more that have to be extracted within the next year and a half.

    Though on the brightside:I hope I do get thin again, as that is really what happened when Saturn was going over my Cancer Sun in 2004. Lost 30 lbs in 4 weeks and I’m still not clear how it happened. This time though, I’ll be hitting the gym/eating healthier.

    Relationshipwise? I ran into a Gemini Ex I had met during the time I had Saturn on my Moon, Uranus squaring my Venus, and Pluto squaring my Mars. Starting to realize I have to acknowledge my part in the mess that happened between us instead of blaming him all the time. How’s that for karmic points? Problem: now I want to move back home to Southern New England to be closer to him and all my friends up there. Truth is: I have a life up there where I belonged, while down here I’m just confined to my mother’s house making an embarrasing salary for a Nurse. Meh.

    Job? Overwhelming, but I’m trying to fake it till I make it in only a way a Cap Ascendant can. I got moved to dayshift and its probably been the most emotionally draining experience I’ve ever had since the Ex-Scorpio. I miss the quiet of the nightshift and the fact that I fit in better with the nightshift staff. Now I feel like they’ve distanced themselves from me because Im now dayshift…..or maybe Im just being a paranoid-oversensitive-crab.

  46. My Saturn return was fantastic. I didn’t even know what was happening at the time. I had a sit-down moment with myself when my husband was out of town. The question was “Are you going to do this?” “This” being have the family life I wanted. I quit smoking, lost 20 pounds, changed my diet and took up a 3xweek Bikram yoga habit. Never been so fit in my life! The returned ended in me pregnant with my beautiful Aries New Moon girl. Unfortunately, I started smoking again a few years later. But at least I have my girl, so Saturn does give permanent rewards!

    Saturn in Virgo was hell. Divorce, death, destruction. All needed to happen though, so I could reconnect to my creative/intuitive self.

    Now I’ve got Saturn transiting my natal 2nd house Uranus. Who knows what to expect from that one being Uranus is involved?

  47. I have Saturn in Taurus in my 10th house (Sun in Aries also in 10) so many of the things you list are second nature to me. It does bum me out a bit since I’ve doing my best to head to my north node in Pisces.

  48. My Cappy Neptune (23) and Uranus (27) did this.

    @ Pt. 6: WOAHOAHOAHAOHAOHAHOHHHHHHHHHHH
    and a super-cool lol. glaciers have passed faster.

    i love talking to my friend, and being all like ‘I HAVE SO MUCH NEWS’ and it’s news to me but to anyone else it’s all NOTHING just like ‘look the glacier moved a bit see? see?!’

    • for the records: minor dentistry going on. found out that biting the insides of my cheeks (!!) is breaking down my teeth slowly but surely over time. I have indents where my teeth-tips should be.
      and spreadsheeting sounds so good right now. sooo good.

  49. Sorting out my teeth now pre Saturn return in January. Also Libra MC at 25 degree with natal Saturn and Pluto at 28 degrees. I guess transiting Saturn across my MC has started making me take care of my appearance. Just been stung by the dentist for £250 to have my wisdom teeth out and a grind shield, before she will even give me veneers and whitening procedure :(

    Do I count yet or do I have to wait until January to join. I need all the help I can get pre Saturn return lol. Gonna read all these comments properly. But what is everyone doing for their Saturn transits?

  50. I like to think that saturn-pluto transit is the “Prison Transit”.

    Well it was for me anyway, but maybe it’s because it took place in my 8th.

    • it was for me too….I actually got arrested…gulp. Didn’t do time though, but being the only female in the prison “lobby” with men was no fun.

    • I felt imprisoned in my life and by my ex. I walked around actually thinking that thought, “I’m in prison”

      but it was just my marriage

    • oh my goodness Owl, that is a great insight. Try Saturn- Pluto – IC. Getting me out of the house, at least to actually interact with other human beings, you;d have to light a stick of dynamite under me, or bait me with mango daiquiries and my favourite crushes. O’wise, Forget It. I”m still in that space but the transit over PLuto is easing.

      • BUT now it’s pluto square pluto. Freakin awesome. *deletes 4th house from chart*
        *feels better*

          • yeah, anything to report? pluto transits are hard to spot, but you only figure it out when you’re right in the thick of it, and still then there’s no escape for ages and ages …like you’ve taken a perfectly reasonable direction and then realise ‘o sh*t i am totally lost and 400km from where i need to be’

            having said that it’s squaring my 4th from 7th house.. you? x

            • well…I am questioning everything in my life.
              Pluto is going through my 5th now and my parenting, romance, and creative lives are completely transforming.
              My natal pluto is in the 2nd, so my values have been changing also.
              I feel myself changing all the time, not sure how I am going to end up. IT is tiring. I can’t make up my mind because I know I am in transformation mode.

              • ok, interesting…i sort of feel like the things that pluto is attending to in my chart atm are just stalled. i’ll see what summer brings and try to be ready for it in the meantime..

                good luck with the ongoing transmogrification!

                • Hmmm, have you considered that your closure for renovations may be more Pluto working the 4th/7th than Saturn (or Saturn doing the architectural drawings, whilst Pluto takes on the demolition?)

                  I ask cause he’s so slow, and, I was thinking to myself about how I didn’t have time to worry about a Pluto square from 6th to 3rd because I was too busy working my guts out to write my thesis … oh right … Etc.

                  • oh, that’s good shell, (if you’re still reading!) I just had an a-ha moment from your comment.

                    hope that thesis is going ok ;) xx

  51. Hi there. Long time lurker, first time commenter. I’m a neophyte to astrology on this level, but according to astrodienst, I will have Saturn sextile my natal Sun (Saggo) starting the beginning of December. Does this qualify me?!! The astrodienst description sounds kind of rocking actually… all about recognition and stuff… is it wrong to be optimistic?

    • Sextiles are generally supportive, like saturn there with some useful boundaries that you actually agree with and want to do helping you along your way. It’s a good time to get your shit together without too much pain.

  52. okay Potentially Stupid Question:

    i can grasp the idea of transits loosely, but how come SOME people have them now and others dont? Doesn’t everyone technically always have transits for every planet?

    • What we are talking about here is transits to the natal chart, so yes, everyone will end up with a Saturn Venus transit, but my natal Venus is in a diff spot to yours, so will happen at a different times.
      Because outer planets like pluto and Neptune move so slowly then lots if people the same age have them around the same place. So Saturn conj natal Pluto happens early/mid 30s for example.

      Does that clarify?

    • pls never worry about any question being potentially stupid!

      okay, if say your natal venus is at 26 Libra then when saturn gets to 26 libra, you will be having a saturn venus transit.

      but if say my venus is at 4 taurus, then no, i am not having a transit of saturn to my venus

      • what if you have Venus in Libra – 7 degrees. When do you consider the transit to be over… when it’s out of the 3 degrees orb??

        • I’d say saturn has been there, done that for your 7 degree venus, TOC. Might be the all-clear there… Mind you, you still have Uranus opposing and pluto squaring your Venus, ish.

        • Or just when you decide your over it?
          I generally go any separating as it being done.
          Uranus opposition sounds like more fun.
          Like a radical shift in your home life might stir up some lurve action? With a bit of transforming how you come across thrown in?

          • Thanks guys, yippeee I have Uranus and Pluto to go. Anything’s better than Saturn. I’m Saturnian enough already.

            Shell, I’m actually looking forward to Uranus opp and I’ve been thinking a lot about how I come across ’cause I have natal Venus square Asc :(
            I’m sure it was Mystic who told me that peeps don’t always see how lovely I am. Makes sense they see super independent, self-sufficient, cold Cappy and not the lovely venus Libra. Lucky I have Saggo moon to break the ice :)
            I’m off to Brissy on Saturday to check out a flat. Can’t wait!!

            • :) Thank you so much everyone, i’ve definitely learnt a lot , but now i have one last thing:
              I’ve got saturn at 21 libra, crossing over nothing. So how come I can still count for the Mastery Club if I’ve got anything in the late degrees of capricorn kataka or aries?

              • Rosebud, I’m presuming you have natal Saturn at 21 Libra. If so, then Saturn is crossing over your natal placement. So you are definitely having a transit!!

                What Mystic meant was, if you have natal Cap, Kataka or Aries then you belong to the Saturn Mastery Club ’cause Saturn is in Libra at 21 degrees right now, so it will conjunct (same sign) or square (90 degrees) the Capricorn and Kataka signs.

                The natal planets in your chart don’t change but the planets moving through the sky now do, so it’s those planets that cross over you natal ones. Does that make sense?

              • :) of course you do. Ascendents are like front of house. Not many peeps get past reception if there’s a Cap at the desk. Lol

  53. Oh saturn..
    actually I need saturn. I am sure I am one of the neptune types the 90s forced into saturn rehab. That’s not code for addict. Sooo saturn returns, that went over the virgo-a-thon. Had it smashing mars/nn/lilith/jups then to saturn conjunct. I had like Mystics above dude story but not-so-happy ending. Still on the mission but mastery of extreme circumstances yes. Planting seeds for my future, still faithless on the overall as I feel totally beaten the shit out of in terms of trust for life to be at all decent but I am phoenixing darling so bruises heal don’t they/ Next round scorping uranus/merc/sun.

    • In my experience, when Saturn breaks down structures they are always replaced with much better / sustainable structures that truly work.

      I look back to the changes that occurred in structures when Saturn went over a couple of personal planets in Virgo and then/still over my Libra planets… much better for having the transit.

      good luck with your mission xx

  54. I feel supported by feeling a tribe of people also doing saturn at the same time as me!

    the thing i learned from having saturn square my moon a few years ago 9now it is about to be conjunct it for the year) is that you can not succumb to negative self-talk.

    your level of self-talk, self-leadership etc needs to get more powerful, positive and mature or you will just be a gloomy mess.

    • I’m going through this Saturn–Moon thing in combo with Mars and Jupiter– and I’m finding the work of Byron Katie to be useful (aggravating and tedious but almost magical— like word-play feng shui that redirects energy of the mind–or something like that…)

      Ex:
      Thought (a frequent one of mine)–“I am an unholy mess”

      gets asked by BK technique “Is this absolutely true beyond a shadow of a doubt and 100% of the time?” (and while it’s tempting in self pity mode to reply YES!, if I’m honest, I have to concede it isn’t absolute)

      THEN (the tedium begins, but the magic, too) One must rewrite that thought to tweak it–ie–

      “I am not always an unholy mess 100% of the time”,

      then “I am not an unholy mess”

      then I usually get stumped and end up with something like “I am” but one go could all kinds of places with the word play

      I cannot begin to explain the actual magic that occurs after I force myself to sit down and write out these plaguing thoughts and go through the horror of repetition of doing this method because it seems pointless at the time, yet it does something wild if I apply myself to it.

      • oh bsky! I know this approach. but not from BK technique. I wanted wo air all the crappy opinions i had of myself so i wrote em allllll out. WHOA. where did *these* come from?? Liberating – then i could workshop them…via deeper analysis (source of shite belief) or instant reversal – from , say, “what i want means nothing” to “what i want means everything” for example..

        it IS magical process with self-application.

        soz speaking in shorthand..

          • oh there was a pile of self-help lit in there somewhere to prime the thinking i am quite sure xx

              • hey if you’re still reading, i was thinking your next step for your example sentence (unholy mess) could eventually progress to “I am whole”
                I am not an unholy mess
                > I am not a mess, nor unholy
                > I am whole, and some parts of my life benefit from my loving attention right now

    • thank you for advice on square moon scenario. noted…

      Also if anyone’s interested, i was watching a youtube link that ‘Link’ first posted s’where, talking about “your brain is spamming you” – ie how to recognise and trash neg self talk. Another one was ‘why your brain is like Fox news’ – such a cute title – saying how if some self talk is making you feel shitty / low / inadequate, it is not to be trusted or believed! Like fox news. change the channel
      lol

    • Saturn sq Moon natally is also about getting on top of the neg self talk and making sure you nourish yourself (good emotional nourishment is a bit depleated).

      • I think it also helps to look to your Mercury ~ what you are creating with your thoughts…

  55. SO i just tripped over a fuqing scythe.

    Plastic. And part of my gemini’s daughter’s growing collection of halloween props but still. Disconcerting. Especially during a Saturn transit.

    Is this Gemini-ish? Halloween is the only festival she reveres and the Tooth Fairy the only deity she has any real reverence for. Maybe just Goth? Pluto in Sagg generation?

    • I suspect Geminis/ gem influenced love a bit of character work, role play dress up madness. Great way to unleash the personalities tumbling within :D Plus halloween is kind of gruesome and fun. What’s her take on zombies? always a good indicator (imo!!)

  56. I have late kataka in venus.feel saturn breathing down my neck as she drags me back to the classroom after I’ve tried to sneak off for some hooch or to meet some bad boy or just to slack off and stay in bed all morning. All the hours have been worth it and now I get downtime when I deserve it.

  57. I’m wondering…

    If we use Saturn to help ground us through a Neptune transit, then what planets/influences will help us cope with a bad Saturn transit?

    Neptune helps by adding some magic and escape (and BDHJ), dreams, visions of where to head. Uranus helps shake off the old and inject fresh life. Pluto keeps bringing focus onto some part of our lives. What helps most, I wonder?

  58. I have Aries 22 deg. in my natal chart…so Saturn is exactly opposing it right now…I feel like I’m in a better place now, unlike a few weeks ago was rough when I had both Saturn and Sun opposing my Sun.

    and I also had Mars oppose mars, and mecrcury oppse mercury all at the same time.

  59. I know I am feeling all cyborg-y and saturn trining asc makeover-y, but I am STILL, in spite of foreswearing all men and romance, just wondering, I am not even getting a *nibble* from any one. Foreswearng romance does not mean foreswearing attention, or at least CONTACT. *This* is the one area of my life (other than where on earth am i going to live next year) that I am completely bamboozled by. It’s like the universe has caught a virus that has deleted me from the memory of every man I feel a frisson of interest for.
    feeling a bit miserable about it. I really AM working hard to restore my inner life to something socially acceptable / attractive and it would actually be cool to see / experience some sort of recognition…from someone i can actually imagine myself in bed with for a change, if you get my drft..
    anyway.. :\
    BAH

    • I sympathise PCFR, I’ve found myself pondering the same thing on occasion and coming up with no decent/useful or even remotely certain kind of answers. Theres just no answer to that question it seems. Not that that much helps with the asking. I guess it’s either an unknowable black hole of an abyss, or a piece of magic waiting to happen, or something in between.
      Fuck knows.

      • Sorry that problem wasn’t very useful. I guess it’s just about getting on with your stuff. It’s not a failing.

      • no it’s ok. there’s not much one could add; i thought ‘fuck knows’ was quite fitting really. ‘Twas a mere grizzle welling up from wherever I squashed it down anyway. just getting on with it is quite a good solution… cheers anon

  60. I took a while to respond to this because i thought perhaps i was over-reading my chart but in fact, i’m having an everything transit.

    Saturn conjuncting natal Uranus, trining natal Venus and NN. Hardly seeing anyone… friends? They were once my protecting circle against the public world that seems to find me incomprehensibly different, even simply to look at. Now i find i’m relating in public with less of my old haughty defensive scorn and sincerely searching for love in my heart (nice detached Aquarian love…natal Venus Aqua girl here). Sort of swapping the endless round of lovers for an endless round of flashing soul love (read: acceptance, tolerance) at strangers.

    Venus opposing natal Saturn in 6th house Tau. (I’m trying to hide from my natal Saturn the impending trashy houseguest, Jupiter transit).
    I’m highly compulsive and impulsive, and very sensitive to noise and light by nature (and scent). Of course, I now have a neurological issue to cope with. Guess what triggers it? OVERDOING IT. And it seems EVERYTHING fun or relaxed in terms of no-eye-on-the-clock Piscean style, pushing my physical boundaries. Oh… feeling beautiful? No. Using my powers of sexual enchantment? No. Forced to be disciplined, and somehow high attention to personal grooming is holding discipline’s hand. Weird thing is I have been getting compliments during all this. Someone even said to me when i was unwell the other day,”Well, if it’s any consolation, you always look gorgeous.”

    Pluto has been grinding over natal Mars, to square all these natal planets: Sun, Mercury, Neptune, Pluto, Chiron. Uranus is transhitting Sun, Merc, Chiron also.
    Jupiter has been trining my natal Mars, so some lovely amplification there.

    All of this is down to me. Only I can do this. I am my invisible enemy, and this is a harder fight than any external situation that has ever tried to flatten my face to the floor. I am learning that self love is not actually self indulgence.

    After the long drawn out process of bringing a year’s group bitcherel to public exposure (thank you earlier Lilith transit) i have changed roles at work. I didn’t realise this was a promotion! People have congratulated me and i’ve been, like, yeah, thanks + fakey smile. Then my boss said this week, “Congratulations!” (Scorp boss…few words means much to me :) ) and i was about to ask what for. Walked away in wonder.

    Oh and the joke that Saturn has been chuckling away at for some time now is that at my age i’m doing all of this wearing braces. Now that’s fqing funny.

    • By the way, this little natal Mars in Cap chick is now having a MARS IN LEO 10TH HOUSE transit until mid-June next year, so you had best believe I am working this baby. Saturn’s bitch? Was for a while, bewildered and be-whinging. But guess who’s been sizing up the old man and making a saddle?

    • Ha, braces, that is funny, sorry.
      Congratulations on the promotion. A good reward for calling people on their bollocks, hooray for setting boundaries and taking responsibility. You go girl!

      • Cheers, shell! Yes, it’s been a great anti-man weapon. When they sidle up to me with the cheesy oneliners, I turn to face them, say thank you sweetly and GRIN. I love it!

  61. I’m definitely part of this group…

    Saturn conjunct Moon- 10th house (Oct 2011- July 2012)
    Saturn opposition Sun- 5th house (Dec 2011 – Sept 2012)
    Saturn opposition Venus- 5th house (Dec 2011 – Oct 2012)

    I’m trying to think of Saturn as a wise and benevolent teacher, but honestly, I’m afraid… Help!

    • yes dear neptune you are having The Saturn Mastery challenge you must breathe thru this transit think inhale to the crown exhale fully and slowly the diaphram Saturn is a healer and teacher for the soul work but always remember jupiter will bring you a gift after you do the work gracefully just breathe don.t ever hold your breathe You will suceed trust the work

  62. having Saturn in Libra is like wading through mud and molasses……and the only thing keeping me going is the faith that there are diamonds among all the debris

    i am a Libra with Leo rising, moon in Aquarius

  63. Just been looking at my chart and Saturn is moving into a square with my Capricorn Mercury – exact around Christmas day lol, then Mr Grim starts chasing down my Aqua Sun, getting to 1’38” before he reverses back over my Mercury. Am I in for an irritating ride here guys??? :/

    Maybe I should dump all my addictions NOW! :)

  64. Venus in libra
    Moon in Libra
    cancer rising (saturn now in my 4th house, base of my chart)
    mean node (north node) is also in libra

    I have been reading everyone’s comments, trying to figure out my life
    in terms of a failed relationship, failed career, bad situation in my house
    taking care of elderly parent without any help from libra brother…etc.
    when does this end???? I have no idea what happened and anything I can figure out to help me bide my time AND understand an aries and my own life, would be greatly appreciated… thank you! xo