Is Leo Rising More Up Itself Than Leo Sun?

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I think Leo Rising is actually more Leo – in the cliched sense of Leo – and likely to be Lower Leo than the actual Sun Sign Leo. I can spot Leo Rising as they always look feline – not so much as limber as they’d like but resembling a plush house-cat, perhaps slightly perturbed lest the sardines do not arrive on schedule.

But really, without a strong artistic cause in their life, they’re so up themselves!

I admit i’m biassed because of the Leo-Rising Aqua Rugger Stud.  But he was a strong example of the genre. He knew nothing about me, though we dated for five months or whatever it was yet i could have gone on television and ACED as in TOTALLY WON a quiz show based on his personality, interests, life, history, ancestor’s history, investments, rugby injuries, planned renovations, tax situation, thoughts on politics, surgeries, children’s marks at school, relatives, real estate and friends. I would SO win.

The 2nd to last conversation we had, he said he found “our” conversations “really fascinating” but they were monologues. And this despite, my best courtesan-like efforts to converse. Okay, running out onto a paddock with an audience, cheerleaders and Eye Of The Tiger playing even though you’ve got a bee sting on your dick and worrying that peeps might mistake anti-bee-string drugs for performance enhancers is a funny story the first three or so times.

But the 45 minute cruciate ligament injury anecdote, the half an hour defence of good guys being schemed against by hos just because they’re naked in hotel corridors innocently losing their keys and two hour rave re paying more tax in one quarter than i make in a year less so.

Is this just me with p.m.b???  I am sure that other Leo Risings have shown similar traits, that even real life SUN SIGN Leos would baulk at. My Saggo friend who dates a LOT says ALL men over 40 are incapable of talking about people other than themselves & that it has nothing to do with astrology but that’s SO gloomy & sexist I can’t believe it.

63 thoughts on “Is Leo Rising More Up Itself Than Leo Sun?

  1. Thank heavens for my artistic cause…I think it’s saved me from complete self absorbtion…….I have both Leo sun & asc…….and didn’t think I was that up myself……sun in the 12th might make my ego more introverted ??? & am much more of a listener that a waffler……
    I do like to think myself rather feline & limber though…..ooh out she comes !!!!!!

  2. Can’t wait for my 10 year old leo rising to grow up to be a complete ponce. With a Leo sun mum though there is little chance though as i hate ponces and can spot them a mile away. Funny I got that kittys face the other day from him when iwas pushing him into some practice and he gave me that Taurean/leo rock solid don’t mess with me look.

  3. Oh Myst, that sounds sooo like the leo rising aqua ex. I remember actually saying “but what about me?” after a long discourse on his needs etc. Every time I intimated that I wanted to talk to him he ran a mile, but he was quite happy to spend hours talking to me about himself. Control freakery aside, it was the lack of meaningful communication which finally did it for me. There is nothing wrong with stroking a leonine ego to make it purr, but when you get nothing back, it does get rather boring. Or is that Venus in aries talking????

  4. Nah it’s boring. Mutual stroking good…nothing back bad.

    Had similar convo yonks ago with sun Leo ex…where I stood there after this long spiel by him and just months of bugger all and went …’you know it’s not ALL about you.’

  5. i just love that kitty in the picture… he’s so tiny but so gruff and at the same time completely haughty…

  6. What about Leo moon? I feel mine v strongly at times… but hopefully not it an ‘up myself’ way.. this is going to sound awfully typical.. but sometimes I waffle on about myself if I feel the other person I’m talking to be too shy or too nervous to talk about their own stuff, and I can see they are uncomfortable where we are, work function, party etc. I don’t try and corner them in, and talk at them for the whole night though, by any means.

  7. My Mum is a Leo rising and has the hair to prove it. Though I think she’s more fearsome tiger than overfed housecat! She’s generally pretty reasonable – thank goodness for the Cappy sun.

  8. You might be right about the Leo rising. All I can say is that Virgo risings out Virgo me at times. And with five Virgo planets, that’s saying something.

    p.m.b. I’m guessing is premenstrual bitcherel?

    Not all men over 40 are incapable of speaking about anyone but themselves, but a hell of a lot are. Wtf? Were those generations of men spoiled by their mothers or something? I think it’s the post feminist evolutionary lag I’ve raved on about before. ‘Hello, I’m a man, I’m physically powerful, economically advantaged, I’ll never need to be professionally or financially disadvantaged for great chunks of my life by having to do menial things like birth and raise children, which makes me very important, so you’d better listen, bitch…etc’

    Is p.m.b. contagious?

    • p.s. my nephews are much, much better conversationalists than their fathers. And they listen and they already have healthier relationships with women than my generation.

    • hehehe P.F.E.L = yes when you’re on a good thing stick to it right? My evolved post-modern (well to label her would already make it out of date) ultra-multi-gemini mother with aqua rising and virgo moon (i.e. spot the informed, subversive anarchist in the cashmere cardigan and pearls) has the same problem and she’s 65………..imagine her fresh, questioning and status-quo smashing mind confronted with stale old men (well ~the good married ones are ..still married!) stuck in their 1970’s heyday when they were In Charge…no wonder she’s chosen (…) to remain partner-free….

      • Yep, she’d be doing it tough. She sounds amazing, though. I bet she has a heap of younger friends and with all that gemini I bet she’s an amazing conversationalist.

      • Nice one. Although I never feel like there’s a chance to get the blues before mercury goes retro — things start going bats before you know it.

  9. OMG the timing of this post is too spot on. Was just this second on the phone reading Mystic aloud to Toro buddy trying to convince her to sign up. It comes up in convo that Toro buddy is LEO RISING and I say, “that’s funny, you don’t seem that up yourself…. not like my sister who is leo rising…”

    Sister leo rising is Sag sun – you know what I love about Sag? they’re all warmth and enthusiasm and foot in mouth self-centred but without being up themselves… But a Sag with Leo rising… All of the above *and* up them selves. She drives me NUTS. Seems to quite enjoy taking me step-by-step through her day, in excruciating detail, on the phone, every night! WHO HAS TIME FOR THIS??!! thank god i love her so much or i would indeed kill her.

    is p.m.b pre menstrual bitcherel?

    by the way, toro buddy has leo rising and acqu moon but despite all the fixedness doesn’t seem all that stubborn. in fact, is incredibly flexible. how can that be?

    • he was so competitive he needed to pay more tax than you earn to feel good about himself? wtf? it’s a shame he didn’t mix brains with brawn and get himself a decent accountant so he didn’t have to pay tax – isn’t that what smart peeps do? soz I know that’s scathing but really who did he think he was? I’m sure he was virile and toned etc but god how tedious.

      • I have only dated one man over 40 – very sexy and smart he was – but yes! I did find he only talked about himself? Why would that be? My dad talks about loads of stuff not related to himself though.

    • aqua moons (or i am thinking aqua in general) is usually cruisy as. it’s just when they are backed into a corner or you have an argument about Principles that they dig their heels in. Otherwise it’s a case of “do whatever floats your boat”……seems to be my experience with Many Aquas

      • in fact, I suspect Aqua (anythings) get off on knowing their pal/ lover is on their own self-designed campaign trail, that they are an Individual who refuses to be Controlled…ok sorry leos I know this post is about you not Aquas (but maybe that’s why Aquas have official crushes or whatever on leos.

        • clarification: aquas having official crushes on Leos, because Leos do indeed have their own self-designed campaign trail. If anyone follows my idea here. good night!

      • UP I read somewhere in one of Mikey Lutin’s books that he thought Aquarians can sometimes out leo a leo…something I think to do with shadow sides and polarity(could be hooking some disparate theory in here though)…have noticed myself a sort of love/hate thing between leos and aquas…on some level we do get each other…a point of irritation for me though is when an aquarian feels they are RIGHT [with some completely off the wall fuqed up theory (that usually works anyway)] they have bugger all sense of humour about it.

  10. Aaw, no don’t say that. I was just starting to make psychological friends with my Leo-rising side… I’m relying on those strong artistic causes to save me.

    • You’ve never stuck me as up yourself ariel – just sure of yourself – which is another thing entirely.

  11. I think I do talk a lot about myself. But only because people seem interested. And what else do people talk about anyway? You can’t talk about politics, art, religion as small talk and to fill the gaps in conversation.

    • but I do have Saturn conj my Asc which tempers my ego somewhat, I have low self-esteem and never seem to see the person in myself which others do. I am constantly amazed at the fact that people see me as loud and sociable when I feel like I am “really” quiet and introspective.

        • LOL No no do go on – adding the astro that compels you to be the way you are is fascinating – seriously. But you don’t need any encouragement do you ;-) does Saturn conj your leo asc make you feel a bit like you’ve been chained to a post in the front yard unable to express your true leonine gloriousness? Bit of a wet blanket on the fiery leo?

          • It’s funny, but no I don’t feel that way. I don’t want the leonine gloriousness as that is the only way that people perceive me, plus my Saturn makes me feel like I don’t have what it takes to be so glorious anyway. I fel like I am living a lie most of the time, with so much effort having to be put into being the image that people have of me, when really I want to be “alone”.

          • hmmm the way peeps perceive us is tricky – my experience is it’s best to choose whose opinion is relevant to your needs and what resonates in that moment. I did think I felt a bit of the leo gloriousness radiating from you… but then I have no problem with peeps who come across as having that radiant self-assured quality to them. It reeks of overt survival instincts – I respect that in a person and it makes me smile – but the perceptions peeps have it’s never who you really are I find – often who they want you to be or some fragment of your “self” they saw in the kaleidoscope once probably a long time ago. A shard of colour you no longer reflect. I too enjoy solitude – but also find it’s a double edged sword and for me it limits or slows the possibilities for personal evolution eventually. Seems like making friends with saturn is the fundamental overriding all else at the moment for most peeps. I hope it treats you well, this phase.

  12. Haha, as a leo rising myself, I’m pretty sure I’m not THAT bad, the fact that my sun is in scorpio probably keeps me a little more secretive about myself. I have to say though, I’ve just moved house one end of the country to the otherand it’s actually been quite enlightening about how other people see me. I’ve never really seen myself as having many leo traits but after mentioning nerves to friends from where I used to live comments such as “you’ll be fine- you’re Beth!”, “London won’t know what’s hit it” and “you’ll be the centre of attention with 10 minutes and stay there for the next 10 years” suggest I might have! Uh-oh, better watch out for that lower leo side then! xD

  13. Married to one Leo Rising when very young; he a Cancer Sun. Then later in life mad about a Pisces
    with Leo Rising. So into themselves and sneaky, too. But also attractive I must admit.

  14. OMG…….Mother and sister are both Leo rising…..up themselves is an understatement….both complete masters at steering any conversation back to themselves…and,yeah, both have a complete fixation on their hair…..LOL !

    • My sister is Leo rising, spirit. Don’t get me started…

      Once on the phone and a brief “how are you?”, she then proceeds to talk about herself the rest of the time. Every family member has noticed in one way or another.

      I haven’t spoken to her in several years. I just coud not take any more and told her off. It was a long time coming and during her emotional tirad she was indignant and hysterical.

      Should at least mention we are both also Aries but my Moon in Cap and over the years I held my tongue ALOT.

      I love her but don’t miss her a bit. Now my progressed rising in Leo. Guess I should watch myself although doing massage all day it is all about everyone else and their needs. Here on this blog is the only place I talk about myself at any length and yes, think it has been redundant at times but oh well….Soz peeps if so…

      • I soooo get what you are going thru……my sister rarely calls me…she expects me to call HER….sort of to pay homage or something…LOL!

  15. I have come across this rising too much in my lifetime to have an objective opinion or anything nice to say about it.

  16. I think the Saggo friend is right. Men over 40 do talk about themselves heaps. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that in an ideal world, these men would be settled and preparing to count grandchildren, not still dating. I think they want to communicate but don’t know how but don’t have the charm and conversational skills. Speaking for myself, I’m quite content to let them blather on if I enjoy the company, meal, drinks whatever and toss in the occasional remark or dry comment to make them laugh at themselves. I’m secure enough in myself not to feel the need to sparkle conversationally and rather like being a tad enigmatic.

    and my naughty mind is wondering how he acquired the bee sting…….

    • I think you’re right CC. I have always gone out with someone younger, and since my ex (who was 12 yrs younger – crazeeeeeeeeeee) I’ve decided NO MORE! Someone my own age or older from now on…..but…..you’re right, they DO just talk about themselves! Whatever happened to the art of listening?? humph. Though on the flipside of that…I don’t like to reveal as much about myself as I used to…..so am happy to listen…..a dash of quid pro quo is always appreciated though

    • Hi CC!

      Thought you were gone forever cuz Alpha Tauri whisked you away to Never Never.. :)

      Good to see you back! x

    • Welcome back CC. Trust the co-habitation and wedding plans are proceeding smoothly? davidl thinks you & Alpha Tauri have been folding napkins all this time!

      • Hi guys xox I’ve missed you all. I’ve been super busy and had two weekend trips to the wild west. My house looked like a bomb-site and the shed’s packed to the rafters plus I’ve had family visiting. Today is the first day I’ve allowed myself the luxury of time out. Alpha tauri loves the new job so all’s well.

  17. My son’s father is Leo with Sagg Rising – charming when he wants to be & very smart. He is the one who’s SO Leo he once gave Cathy Freeman his hamstring stretching tips & boasted about how happy and grateful she seemed to be receiving them.
    Anyway, when i was giving birth to my boy (natural childbirth, no drugs other than some stupid laughing gas) he interrupted the midwife during the v.challenging “transition” stage to ask if he could have some panadol as he felt a bit of a headache coming on.
    She was a gay Pilates-style Virgo named Athene – she turned to him with Virgoan precision & told him to fuck off. Hey, who wants me to start doing “rehab” posts, like Leo Rehab, Gemini Rehab etc????And if we do them, should make them gender specific or not bother?

    • The nurses sat my Leo ex down after the birth of Spazzy A and gave him a cup of tea because he looked a little pale…mind you at the same time an Irish doctor was asking me if I was anemic while I was still having complications that would put anyone off their lunch.

      I would of LOVED a fierce virgo nurse intervention.

      Also rehab posts sound fantastic…depends on your time allotment Mystic. I’d be curious re:gender, but also appreciative of a general overview approach too.

      • ha ha Mystic. My Leo husband with Sagg rising spent so much time on the gas himself when I was in labour, and made sure he had a full breakfast while I was transitioning.

  18. Bahahahaha, Mystic that is hysterical!!

    I do!! I do!! Rehab post sound fabulous & not bother gender specific!

    • I do too! Rehab posts sound like great idea Mystic. If time is limiting, don’t worry about gender just Sun Sign, then we can interp for the Rising Sign (physical body) and Moon Sign (emotions)?

  19. Even as someone that is also an Aquarian sun with Leo rising I actually suspect I wouldn’t think much of your ex-rugger stud boy myself. I’m too tired to comment at length this evening but I did want to say how funny I found that choice of pic because that’s the birthday card my boyfriend gave me this year. He’s also a Piscean ;)

  20. well ,i think everyone has good traits and everyone has bad traits,i like to listen to people ,as i have alot of friends that feel im easy to talk to … im a leo sun leo rising and a sag moon .anyway i find certain people very irrating and i look at each person not rising sign or sun sign ,if i ever listened to astrology i would not be with my partner as we are not compatible ,hes aquarius ,cap rising and aquarius moon !!! and been happy for 13 years …..

  21. OMG I’m Libra Sun, Leo Rising with Venus, Mars and Moon all in Leo!what to do??????

  22. I go to school with a Leo boy with moon in Aries and Leo rising. Conceited, major temper, and totally up himself!! Not only does he always brag to me about how his professors think everything he says is just *amazing* and he’s the greatest genius to have ever lived (I’ve been in classes with him and there are more than a few eye rolls in his direction), but he has also confessed to me that he doesn’t care about anyone other than himself and has no desire to be told anything personal about anyone.

    Said boy also once ran around the school trying to find me, told me he was in love with me after I told him previously that I wasn’t interested and had my eyes on the fairer sex. We remained “friends” because I couldn’t shake him and had to hear how he never spends less than 20 dollars on a pair of socks. Totally zinged him, however, when he said he liked an outfit of mine that I thrifted at Value Village … his whole code of fashion ethics was momentarily distabalized.

    Hate to go ON and I know this post is two years old already, but my god .. he and I are no longer even friendly as his third attempt to get in my pants was shot down and I found his Libra best friend to be a much better conversationalist. It’s so infuriating to me as a Virgo sun & rising .. for me, humility is one of the most attractive qualities in people, but I guess if you’re only reading James Joyce you don’t come across such simple words.

  23. I always thought Leo risings were better actually. Leo suns are offbeat and unstable and have mental issues…Leo risers are more profound and confident and sincere. Leo suns are kind of fake and they are way too competitvea nd jealous for my taste.

    I prefer Leo risers or moons :)

  24. I probably am not fussed by confidence. I’m probably so confident to the point where I realize self love is key anyway. Well, actually I am very insecure but I like to believe that.

    Admittedly I love to get a rise out of people, I love to get emotions flowing, no idea why. It’s just fun seemingly to ‘put on a show’.

  25. This is quite interesting. I’m a Taurus sun, with Virgo moon, Venus Gemini, and Leo rising. I think at times I might come across as though I’m really into myself, but underneath the facade I’m truly not. Maybe my Taurus sun or Virgo moon stabilizes the huge ego, and takes it down a few notches or so. Not sure. But I also think, with all Leo risers, it’s just the facade. It’s just how they carry themselves in public, and hide their inner insecurities. Underneath it all, I’m sure they can be soft, and probably just long for acceptance.

    As for leo suns. I’ve met a few, and not all of them seemed conceited. But they definitely shine, sometimes even unknowingly. They’d walk into a room and heads turned, instantly! So, usually theyre noticed whether theyre trying to get noticed or not. The ones I’ve spoken to were very friendly. And knew how to walk tall with confidence.