Saturn…such a Spunk! Who knew? Maybe i should change my description of him to “time-stud Saturn…”???? Would that mean he’d leave off for half an hour? Saturn opposite Venus is up there with Saturn square Moon. Hard Saturn aspects (squares, oppositions) to squishy planets/Moon are tricky. Whereas Saturn & Mars (sort of) can get along. I mention that because Mars is now squaring Saturn until next Tuesday…
I was actually trying to find a really cool pic of Saturn and Mars together. Or, as the Greeks say, Chronos and Ares…but there aren’t any…I think they would have mostly communicated by interpreter.
Mars: We go now and we go in hard.
Saturn: Shut up, clean your house, floss your teeth and it’s great that you can do a thousand chin ups but have you had a shower today? Would it kill you to polish your armour?
Mars: Fuq that shit man, go hard or go home. Ain’t nobody disses with me and I am gonna…W.T.F?
Saturn: Do you have a strategy? The horse of enthusiasm requires the bridle of sobriety and…
Mars: Fuq yeah! My strategy is to hit ‘em hard. Semper Fi and to the brink dude. We’ll have a drink after the fight, you and me, you will…
You get the idea. Anyway I could not find a pic of them together though i now know that an awful lot of wizardy-computer-roleplay game thingies love Saturn/Chronos as a character & so do heavy metal bands. Would you want a guitar shaped like a scythe? Me neither.
Chronos is also where we get the words chronometer, chronological and crone…IN case you did not know. BTW, the Piscean Moon – for most of the weekend – is often a fab one for dipsomania but don’t forget Monday morning is hardcore Mars-Saturn. ie; you will want to be up early, clean, gleaming, alert & liver-toned.
Who likes Time-Stud Saturn???
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Have had no choice with Saturn as alas he is sq. Sun and Merc. Afraid I would listen to him before Mars ruled Aries goes charging in.
Not such a bad thing…
And natal Mars is 10 deg. orb opp. Saturn on the AC/DC. I’m used to it…Sorta…
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Oh Sweetpea, I share your reluctance. I have a sucky Saturn aspect natally too. He definitely can’t be ignored.
Much of the time, I wish the time-stud would fuq off to another dimension because he’s always making me feel guilty about stuff, mostly the impulsive fun stuff. My Mars is conjunct Jupiter in Aries and Saturn in Cancer gets all smothery and concerned for my welfare. A real wet blanket.
Of course, without Saturn I’d be an over-bearing monster. (Hmmm, even with Saturn, some people think I’m very un-sensible.)
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I know what you mean as when younger would purchase a dress for example and then think I should have spent the money on groceries or something as was raising a family. I’m definitely not that hard on myself anymore.
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You can leave the stud out, but as time lord, saturn is really showing why he is the master of this world right now. He has all the time in the world, and somehow we have agreed to let him decide to who and how he dishes it out. Mars is only seeking to express itself the only way it knows how, now!
Mastery of time, is the key skill necessary to make our next evolutionary step.
Saturn is the gatekeeper, and teacher of time mastery, who else are you going to put on the door, Neptune ? yeah, right.-
Ohh Daveyl,
I like when you talk Saturn-Mars….
Yeah, Neptune would be at the door and then looking around, say,
“Where are the keys?”
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And your post has made me think about that maybe my Mars doesn’t need to listen to Saturn so much.
What do you think?
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I ask because if Mars is about expressing NOW, (and of course Saturn has taught me to learn how to temper that rush-in impulse), but if Mars is about NOW but Saturn holds the keys to time…
I’m wondering how to reconcile this to understand it better as so many teachings are about being in the present moment…the Now…
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Oh you do it and then you just feel bad about it afterwards.
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Maybe Saturn doesn’t rule the Now…If we let go of “time”.
Of course it doesn’t…She answers self..
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But Aello, I think part of the mastery is to introspect what one is about to do and sometimes, not do it…
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I always associate the female crone archetype with Saturn, given that the moon & her phases have marked fertile times for women through the ages…maybe its my natal moon sextile saturn….& hey I received a watch as a birthday gift today, bloody amazing…
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I think the word ” crone” used to be ” crown “……the patriarchy most likely changed it….
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Dear Astro Fiends, talking about time could any of you please advise an Astro Pleb such as moi as to the so called ” rule” where if one does not know the time of birth, astrologers use either 6am of 12midday. Is this true or just another story? Before I send my Astro Query to our loverly MM I want to make sure I get the correct chart of my Scorp. Many thanks in anticipation xx
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One forum teacher always uses 12:00 noon when time is unknown.
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Thanks Sweetpea, muchly appreciated : >
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Call me shallow but imaginging saturn as hot works for me
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Well LS, wink, wink…
At least he takes his time!
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Yes I agree LS! it eases the pain….
it’s much easier to work for Saturn as a hot looking boss rather than as a cranky prat in a terrible shirt. A bad boss gives us nothing to aim for. Surly Saturn gives us nothing to aim for! e.g. if i work hard i too will be a cranky prat in a bad shirt. As opposed to if i work hard (for hot saturn) I too will be admired and secretly respected.
Personally I imagined saturn as the remote person , old, always sending my work back for revision until after the umpteenth time s/he accepted it. and I always worked late. when saturn is more pleasantly aspected I suppose i feel it as unstoppable drive – to work, study, succeed, organise…
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saturn’s head is too small. beady eyes. nice abs though.
I reckon mm was listening to me talk to my libra-giant manpal yesterday and jotted it all down. I said all those things exactly. All in reference to making some very silly films.
Lets Doooooo It!
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And I like how he’s got a sort of clock “chastity belt”. Its just about three o’clock..His bewitching hour perhaps?
Libra-giant manpal, eh? And silly films..hmm…
What are the films rated and is a libra giant man-pal blow-up or real?
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haha! laughed out loud!!!
Libra Giant is real, he is my very old friend of 20 years or so. He is prolly around 6foot6. The films would be rated S for Silly. I will post links when they are compleated.
tee hee heeeee.
I have never really understood saturn as such. And I should check out mine, cos I reckon I am a time lord…have a knack with getting places on time, even if car breaks down or whatever. Oooh-er, I have Jupiter trine Saturn- and saturn is in Gemini… So I am awesome at organising stuff! (and have loads of parent issues…like duh).
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ive actually got Saturn conjucnt ASC and my saturn is 181 degress opposite!
And its funny to see Chronus as a young man i mean he IS Mars’ Grandfather but perhaps Mars’ sister,hebe (goddess of eternal youth), did her thing and gave her grandfather a 2nd chance at youth!
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he’s a bit girly for my taste Mystic.
re moon in pisces… what was WITH last night?? I hosted a civilised gathering in my home only to have my Taurean besty show up with her horror of a boyfriend, plus her little sister and HER equally horrifying boyfriend, all of them drunk on bourbon and cola (:::shudder:::) only to end up fighting each other, calling the police on each other, then leaving. Meanwhile my other guests have been traumatised and they too have left, so I get to clean up and then deal with the police.
this morning I’m fielding phone calls and text messages about ‘those women and their bogan boyfriends’. Geez.
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oh yeah, and it was all over by 10.30 – maybe that is Saturn-Mars at play?
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Eclipse hangover? Or was it that Mars Mercury bingle that Mystic warned of below?
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Sorry, mars vs saturn. Love that Mars vs Saturn dialogue above. It’s like a conversation between me and my brother, the Kung Fu Scorp.
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maybe… wondering if its just the final straw, have had total meltdown and decided I’ve had enough, and I mean ENOUGH of struggling to raise my family with no support, with two men who work against me at every turn. I’ve decided that my four children with DLE will now go and live with him. I give UP. I’m taking my dung bug and downsizing my entire life so I can actually LIVE ONE. so much for ‘mama magic’ eh?
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hey TA – hope everything is ok. I’ve got 2 dads involved too and sometimes it is just plain tough – especially when they are being unhelpful/unreliable and I get made to feel like they are doing me some massive favour if they have their own child for an extra night or two.
have you told them yet? maybe things will look better tomorrow??
Sometimes the dads really need to see a crisis to actually change their habits I found or get through to them just how much you actually do every night and day. But then I think of how much I get to share with my kids that they miss out on and it makes me feel grateful – and I try to think about when I am older and when they are adults with their kids (hopefully) and I think I will look back on these days and miss them – even though they often make me feel like a mad woman sometimes.
Can you tell them you are just going away for a week and leave the kids for a week? I do that sometimes when I really need to recharge and come back heaps more relaxed. A week where i don’t have to think about any one else except for me helps a lot. And with 5 – wow… you are amazing.
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You’re way too hard on yourself magic mama. Of course you’d want to give up from time to time with five kids to wrangle and Messrs Useless & Co draining your qi! Don’t do anything drastic just yet, or at least nothing they can use against you.
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Was thinking too, that you’ve been doing a lot of study lately, and particularly trawling your own depths as part of the psych study. That in itself is draining and life quaking, apart from being Über Mum. Might also be those Uranus transits you weren’t sure about.
Nice advice from libran tiger. I agree you need a break too.
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guys, thanks… I don’t get breaks. I have the dung bug and no one to take her off my hands except for a few hours at a time. But what an idea~!
yes Uber, the psych trawl is definitely at work here – most especially my ‘unlived life’ and the frustration I feel when I witness both the dads live what I can’t – owning property, pursuing careers, relationships, travel, social events. My world has gotten smaller and smaller. I’ve made the best of it – I’ve made my tiny bit of it as soulful as I can. The work that goes into that!
I’m exhausted. Those dads have no idea of what I do, what I’m responsible for. They just tell me to get a job when ever I voice my discontent with the very obvious polarity between their financial situations and mine.
If I get a job, I won’t be here to look after my children. If I look after my children and struggle on, they miss out on what they need. My ex husband and his family have waged a campaign of financial deprivation that is now impacting on my children’s education. They are quite transparent that if the children live with their father then they will have everything they need.
My oldest daughter, 16, has already decamped to her father’s house.
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It took me ages to realise that trying to get my ex to understand the whys of what I thought important for the girls was nigh on impossible for him to understand. If he’d been able to understand the things that are important to me we’d probably still be together.
I could go on and into the stuff that means I understand TA…except what is really relevant I think, is how you chose to cope. Is it possible to get a couple of hours break from the dung bug to be able to just breathe for a little bit? Is there some middle ground where the kids can go live with the leo ex for a little bit and he not keep them long term?
I’m sure the pressure feels relentless sometimes, but please don’t underappreciate the positive influence you build in your girls lives…and especially because someone is telling you they can give them all they need. All they need would incorporate you strongly present in their lives too.
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ta, please don’t measure yourself against those guys, especially against their financial situations. Look at the shit things they’ve done to get themselves into their positions, and the shit things the DLE is prepared to do to buy the affections of his children. Things you and I would never do. They need a lot more than what he can buy (with the money he’s holding back from them presently) and your kids are smart enough to eventually wise up to that lack of integrity. Cash rich, but spiritually bankrupt.
You’re right, your exes have no idea what you do or what you have, and that you are rich in ways they can’t imagine. Look at their unlived lives too. They don’t know what love is!
It might be time to call in the cavalry and get some serious time out. I’m sure you have friends who can help with the kids. Refresh and regroup and fight for yourself and the kids.
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PS The shrinking you’re talking about is very Saturn Pluto, which I know you’re doing currently, as am I. It’s paring back to the basics in order to do groundwork or regroup, but it’s not permanent. If you do the groundwork now, it will allow you to expand later on.
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thanks Uber…
I’ve made my decision and its heartbreaking but it IS the right thing to do. Sometimes the only way to end a war is to surrender. The past six years I’ve been under siege, making do with what has been around me but never leaving the city, so to speak. The children will be very well off with their father, and I still have the dung bug to care for.
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Actually, I have a feeling they’ll be back. He and the kids haven’t had to deal with each other for extended periods before. Let them tough it out. I’m sure there’s a lot you provide for them that he simply can’t and they need both of you, so this might be a way to find a better balance. Please take care of you! xx
And Leonine Librarian, you’re such a gentle, sensible soul. xx to you too.
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ta, I sent you an email. Wondering if I used the right address.
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Thanks uber.
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I have had two dreams now that involved Mars & Saturn which both times woke me up. Latest one being last night & I woke up 2.20am, not a great time to be awake & pondering why am I dreaming about Mars & Saturn!
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too much caffeine ? what were they doing ? was it like Clash of the Titans or WWW wrestling ?
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Lol, maybe too much caffeine is the explanation. I actually have no idea what was going on. I woke up suddenly both times & thinking of Mars & Saturn. Any thoughts?
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Hey TA how old is your Dung Bug? The reason I am asking is I assure you the kids will finally recognise what rats their dad’s are. Sure for ages they go about in denial but once they spend enough time with their dad the penny will drop. The sad thing is the stupid dad’s miss out big time. For in their old age, their coffers of gold will not keep their hearts warm!
Hang in there gorgeous girl. I hope you can get a nice massage to massage all that stress away? At times I have not been able to afford it but I have treated myself, as it literally boosts my batteries to go on!
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BTW you will always be a Magic Mama for your babies : >
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TA – I’ve been reading your stuff for nearly a year now on your old blog with all the beautiful artwork and your new one and here on mystic’s blog. You are such an inspiration to me. And you do deserve to put yourself first. But you are so in the thick of it now with everything – can you take some time out to make your decision so have time to take many deep breaths in and out without getting a little voice asking for something or needing your attention.
I totally respect only you can know what is best for you and your family – but can you avoid make any binding or legal agreements now until you can get some headspace. Can you put some arrangements in place to get more of the support/time you need?
My great aunt bought up 5 boys by herself in the 1940s/50s after her husband died soon after the birth of no 5. And she has outlived all the others of her generation and done the most amazing things (and all her sons did too when they grew up) – she is such an incredible strong positive woman. The kids used to go to her sister’s family every school holidays so she could have a break.
If you had more regular breaks maybe it would get easier??
And yes you might have less money than those guys but I am pretty sure your kids wouldn’t trade what you can give them for all the money in the world. And I loved your paintings are they still online somewhere? The book site?
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