The Jupiter-Saturn axis is a really quick, cool & easy way to do a fast-take on charts – both natal & the transits.
The past of your chart where you have Saturn sitting natally (where it was when you were born) or where it is currently transitting is where you have to just knuckle under, work hard and be super-mature. There are no short-cuts in your Saturn area and it’s stupid to even try. Just accept it as your area that needs to be worked hard. So if you have Saturn going through your 6th House (health & admin, to summarise) you don’t fuq around with your filing. You keep warranties. You go to the gym. You stop smoking. You honour the Saturn area.
Jupiter – both your natal Jupiter and where-ever it is transitting – is where you are loaded with luck, you can get away with a bit of risky behaviour & happily apply all the “my universe is forever abundant and smiling upon me with adoration” style affirmations & just flowing. It’s where you can take a punt. Natal Jupiter is your blessing in life. Nurture it with an attitude of faith and trust in a higher power for brilliant results. Saturn is not, ahem, evil but it’s vibe is more like the pleasure you get from having accomplished a trip to the dentist and done your tax return on the same day. It’s sober.
So, for a quick astro-thrill, check out Saturn and Jupiter both natally and by transit. Hone & work the Saturn area with an awesome attitude of grown-up work ethic & humility. Let rip with the largesse & expansive Semper Fidelis style exuberance where Jupiter lolls.
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Ok… So I am trying to make some sense of this.
I have both Jupiter and Saturn in Virgo (natal) in my 11th house. Jupiter is transiting through Aqua and Saturn is going through Virgo.
How do I be super mature in Virgo? In my friendship groups?I am a little confused. Can anyone help me please?
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I will have a little think, but am also a newby at all this….
11th house is friends but it is also our connection to groups, clubs, organisation, anything that links us to society at large. Maybe you have a friend that has saturnine qualities right now (they feel constrained somehow, they are working hard through some emotional merde or something?) or maybe you are trying to build some kind of social network or group and this is being blocked/there is some struggle or difficulty associated with it?
Also you are going through Saturn return – not sure if you caught the great rant on that a couple of months ago (well worth checking out)
so that gives you aqua in the 4th (hopefully i have that right) – so this is luck in 4th house matters – so home, as in the physical manifestation of your home – maybe someone will give you some help with renovations or painting or give you a cool piece of furniture/or you will luckily find/buy a cool piece of furniture. or could be some luck to do with your parents, especially reconnecting with your mum in some way or some other luck in terms of how you are nurtured and loved?
hope that helps
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v a-g-g, You’re experiencing Saturn return and the next chapter in you life. The mature one. Some find Saturn return difficult but I think that as it is where your natal Saturn already is, it’s a vibe you’ve lived with and know instinctively. In your case natal Jupiter is there to jolly up the return. Your natal Saturn will have sobered your Jupiter influences all your life but also lighten the load. You probably take your friendships seriously but have fun with them. 11th is also dreams and aspirations so you probably take these seriously too but with optimism. You could be experiencing a re-think about who really are your friends and who you want to take into the future with you. As it’s Virgo you really will be weighing up the pros and cons.
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Both these readings resonate… I have to say.
Humour is my first and best defense and I am trying to work out who is good in my life at the moment… or maybe what I want my life to be a little.
I find myself thinking back to Edith Warton’s “The Age of Innocence” (which I read in year 12… much to my disgust a the time). More particularly of this passage:He perceived with a flash of chilling insight that in future many problems would be thus negatively solved for him; but as he paid the hansom and followed his wife’s long train into the house he took refuge in the comforting platitude that the first six months were always the most difficult in marriage. “After that I suppose we shall have pretty nearly finished rubbing off each other’s angles,” he reflected; but the worst of it was that May’s pressure was already bearing on the very angles whose sharpness he most wanted to keep.
Sometimes I feel like I have to give up my ’sharpness’ too much. Or am told that the people who allow me to keep them are no good for me.
Just trying to work it through.I don’t need to reconnect with my mother… she calls me twice a week and I go to Yoga with her and my father once a week. Anymore connecting and I think I would be moving back home!
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Go-go, this is off topic, but I read your post about the owl. It’s very auspicious to rescue one I reckon. They have powerful yin energy. I think the event may have coincided with the gaining of some potent wisdom for you.
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That would be lovely!
Thus far I just as unwise as before:)-
I don’t believe that. Wait, you’ll look back in a few months or few years and it’ll make sense.
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Yeah, I too am at ease with analysing the Natal chart, but have never quite got the hang of divining where things are transiting in my chart right now…? Little help from all you very clever astro peeps…? I wanna see what those titans are up to at the moment – I can feel their meddling at play…
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If you go http://www.astro.com and go to the extended chart… you can get natal and transits in its drop down list of charts.
Its very helpful:)
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I love thinking about jupiter transits – i have jupiter in the 1st house and like to think i have its lucky star shining on my path….
Jupiter is now in my 9th house – travel and higher learning – and in 10 days i set off on 6 months of overseas adventure and embark on a Phd – all funded by my university and i continue to be paid full lecturer salary (i am a taurus after all – adventure + security please)
some of it is research (interviewing evil taxation lawyers in India who facilitate the use of tax havens) and some of it is yoga (a month in bali and a month in Indian himalaya)I feel soooo lucky – that my department will let me take 3 months leave without pay – that they will fund my research in India – this is pure jupiter at work.
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My husband (saggi with jupiter transiting his 4th house) has lots of jupiter luck too. As i raved above 4th house is home renovation and family of origin
Home reno luck: While we are away the person staying in our house is putting up post and rail fences (to contain our wild and unruly cows) and a friend (a german builder) approached us to transform our unused dairy into a workshop – he completely re-roofed the shed, put in three rooms, 6 windows and a new door AND he pays rent – unbelievable 4th house luck
Family of origin luck: We live a long way from my husband’s parents. We have spent no more than 4 or 5 days there for the last 10 years. But this year we are going to spend 2 weeks with his parents in Bali and then 2 months living in their remote and incredibly beautiful sea side town at the end of the year.
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Troubleshooting required, if anyone can help: when I go to the transits chart, the house column is all empty. Anyone have any clues?
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I thought houses were static according to your natal chart? So you need to refer to that? So if you have Saturn transiting your Jupiter, then you refer to Jupiter in your birth chart, and it will tell you what house its in. If I’m wrong, please let me know!
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That’s right postmod. You kind of need to be able to read the planetary glyphs to see where they are on the wheel. Transiting planets will be in green on the outside of the wheel, transiting your natal house placements.
You can also bring up a PDF chart if you click ‘additional PDF charts’ in the upper left corner of the chart screen. It lists the positions of natal houses.
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Thanks to you both for the tips.
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Well I have Saturn in Capricorn natal and Jupiter in Sag natal, and although they are right at home in those positions I don’t think they understand each other very well !
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Natal Saturn in Virgo in the 6th – and I’m Saturn returning as we speak so I quote….. “So if you have Saturn going through your 6th House (health & admin, to summarise) you don’t fuq around with your filing. You keep warranties. You go to the gym. You stop smoking.” Yes, yes, and yes/kinda/sorta – the gym and I are fairweather friends! I work hard at routine, I work hard at making sure I eat well, drink little, I don’t smoke, I’m a good worker, but have yet to find my true niche, so I keep plugging away.
Natal Jupiter is Virgo in the 5th – and its transiting….Aquarius, which I have nothing in, but which sits in my 11th – so a good place for it if I am Saturn returning in my house of work!!!! I want and crave mentors, so I guess I just need to make the request now to the people I work with non?
Oooh, I feel all positive and glowy now!-
“so I keep plugging away” ? There is a great line in the I ching, can’t remember the hexagram right now ?
Its about how when crossing a river you should have the ‘where with all’ to be able to plug up the holes in the boat as you cross.
Your in the boat, your on the water, plugging away, filling the holes in the bottom of the boat..don’t fight the river, let it carry you further down stream..
enjoy the ride, won’t it be great when you get to the other shore and can dump that shitty boat, walk on dry land !-
davidl, I would have thought that as they’re both in dignity and not aspecting, that you’d be able to take each planetary influence separately. I think it maybe the aspects to each from other planets that cause the shitty boat feeling ??? eg your Mars in Cancer opp Saturn in Cap would have a “driving the car with the brakes on” effect.
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My Mars and Saturn in a wide (11 deg orb) opposition on 1/7 axis so a bit like davidl, but their midpoint is at an Aries Point in 10th, so means if known for anything, it will be for driving with the brakes on. Quite a talent, wouldn’t ya say? (And can’t stand being behind those who brake off and on, off and on while they drive…)
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Hey thanks for the tip V-go-go – so THAT’S where you find the transits chart – should have explored that drop down menu much earlier…!
So Saturn is screwing over my Ascendant! Yikes, that sounds quite serious.
Luckily Jupiter is having a flirt with my Venusian Sixth House – would explain how I recently drank and partied my way through the flu and out the other side. -
When Saturn nipped over my Jupes in the 7th it took away all the actors in my life. Literally, I had an actor boyf and actor friends…now all gone, and boy is the load lighter.
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As a ‘reformed’ professional actor I congratulate you whole heartedly!!
I have the Eclipse happening in my 11th and I’m hoping to shake out a few of the (more low-ego, low-status, self-obsessed) actor buddies from my social sector myself.-
Saturn went through my relationship house a few years ago and took out just about *everybody* and got me back in touch with my oldest and best friend. Jupiter is in my sign this year and I can’t say I’ve noticed it doing anything for me….
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Also confusing is that I have saturn and jupiter in the 7th…so I sometimes don’t know which one to expect in 7th house matters…
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I also have saturn and Jupiter in the same house. Both in Virgo in the 9th. Saturn returning as we speak I think. Does this explain my constant state of confusion??!
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I love when an amatuer astronomer discovers the mid cosmos Jupiter space-smash – more power to the little people!
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/backyard-astronomer-spots-big-bang-on-jupiter-20090721-dria.html-
me too, great link xox
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I’m gonna complain a little: whenever Saturn is anywhere I definitely notice it and it usually kinda sucks (or worse) but Jupiter is in my sign all this year and I don’t think I’m noticing it at all. If there’s some way in which I should be doing something to, say, ‘activate’ it -let me know.
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yeah Aquarpio, Jupiter transits definitely need us to be wide open to opportunity – they won’t just come knocking at the door and fling themselves at you, but if you go knocking doors will definitely open. Hope that clears it up for you.
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Jupiter and Saturn passages too involved to enumerate here, but thank you for this Mystic as the jogging assists my memory toward further mental organization…
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Saturn is in my 4th – the home?
I have had a difficult family life – growing up with mentally ill parent, and both parents regularly drama queening it up and making their marriage a farce.
It is still hard to have normal relationships- I am 30 and have only ever lived with one of my boyfriends (when i was 17). Current man I have been with for 4 years without any prospect of further commitment etc. I moved into his house (big boy share house) for 6 months of hell.
oh well – keep on buffin’ I guess
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hey ariesartist, i have saturn in the 4th too…and like you had family/home difficulties growing up, and has taken me a long time to figure out what it means to have a stable home life. for me, saturn has been about completely respecting the fact that stability at home is something we need and are entitled to create, no matter what. saturn forced me to face alot of that ye olde crap and make the home i always wanted.
once thats sorted, its like everything else falls into place. thats the good side of saturn i think.
good luck with it xx
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Where’s your Jupiter ariesartist? I’m no expert but maybe this might be a clue to some kind of healing path for you? I turned 30 this year too xoxo
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it is in cancer in 3rd. ss.
hmmm i do have 2 sisters, we are all quite close. would that be it?yep – saggigal, I now live in a lovely house with a friend. it makes me so much calmer. I have had to work on getting a nice home – will always I think. but it does make such a difference.
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Uh oh, just saw I actually have natal Saturn Virgo in my 7th house, and this is combined with my natal Saturn squaring Neptune and Moon. Catch 22. I must have been blocking this out, why didn’t I see this before? Luckily I have Yolly Yupiter in Leo the 6th house, so I’m not a complete Nigel-no-friends, wierdo, loner type…I think. When’s that rocket gonna take out Saturn?
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Both in the 5th, conjunct. Saturn in Cap and Jupes in Aqua. Does that mean I have to work hard at having spontenous fun?
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Natal & transit Staurn in 5th house (Saturn return) – well, yes, relationships are very much an area of work for me right now. Creativity too.
Though am a little cheered by natal Jupiter in the 4th and currently transiting the 10th, the 10th being a house of taking responsibility and resolving karmic issues.
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Natal Jupiter & Saturn in 6th house
Transit Jupiter in 11th (party time eh?) & Saturn in 6th (Saturn return? hold off on the party?)
Yes, I am a health freak! work my ass off in the gym/pool every week (stacks of motivation in fitness at the mo). I’m on top of all my paperwork & admin. Social life…… has been misplaced in all that filing! lol
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Apparently your natal Saturn becomes your area of achievement in later life. For me in my 5th, kids and creativity. Hope so.
That’s if I survive transiting Saturn’s stint in my 7th. Beginning to feel him buzz against Uranus again. Just decided that I’m done with an old friend who I finally realised is little more than erratic and demanding. And the ex-boyfriend saga will not just die. Saturn is not fun.
Hmmm, do I go so far as to say I’m looking forward to Saturn’s move towards my Libran Pluto? Probably not.
Time to count my Jupiter blessings! He’s in my 12th house so I kinda have to wait and see how the spiritual expansion will manifest. Natal Jup’s in my 2nd conjunct Mars so I feel abundant and joyful but with a tight square to stinking Saturn I get the guilts sooo easily. But only for a wee while.
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Saturn’s in my 5th house all year and Jupiter in the 10th … kids, creativity, career. Interesting as I’ve been pondering lately how to honour my creative energy not just via design, but something more purist like, oh I dunno taking up painting and drawing again.
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or having a love child..you would be such a great mum prowin
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I have Jupiter with Pluto, south node and Uranus in the fourth… dunno about blessings there to be frank, my fourth house is kinda sucky. With Jupiter there you’d think I’d have some kind of aptitude for property development but no, forty years old, masses of kids, and back renting again.
Saturn is in my 11th (the apex of a Yod, the two branches of which are Uranus and Neptune), and I have wonderful friends – lots of them are older. I’ve heard that Saturn in 11 gives one a ‘lone wolf’ energy, but I am a pack wolf, no doubt about that.
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Saturn natally – 10th Aries, conjunct MC – has defined my career (and sometimes my life!)
Saturn transiting – my 3rd haven’t had trouble with siblings, just haven’t been as close as we were, about to conjunct natal Pluto (hmmmm :-<!)
Jupiter natally – 3rd Aries point, have always been very close to my 3 brothers and communication is never an issue for me, boosts my Gemini rising and moon I'd suggest.
Jupiter transit – jumping in and out of 8th/9th. Coming up to opposition with natal next year. I've done more long distance travel in the last year than ever before. -
Mystic I also note your astrology gambling tag, darling hubby has Venus/Jupiter conjunction in Pisces in 11th square Neptune in Pisces in 8th, trine Saturn in Gemini in 3rd.
Has had a gambling addiction for years, which I have noticed is affected when this conjunction is aspected. Mars is squaring it at the moment and he has taken action and is attending GA regularly and feeling more in control by taking this action.
Jupiter is due to pass over this conjunction in February, Jupiter return. what then? -
My Jupiter’s in the third house – which is apparently learning and travel and curiousity. I don’t know if it comes *easy* per se but it is a running theme in my life! I love learning and travel, and have been something of a nomad since I was a baby
As for Saturn, it’s in 12th house…apparently to do with self-concept and self-identity? Yeah, that’s something I’m constantly working with, even now!!
here’s my stats:
Jupiter in the Third House 3rd hs
Jupiter in Aquarius
Jupiter Square Pluto
Sun Trine Jupiter
Mercury Trine Jupiter
Jupiter Sextile AscendantSaturn in the Twelfth House 12th hs
Saturn in Scorpio
Moon Square Saturn
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Natal Saturn is in my 1st house! – (picses)
but now is in my 7th house of Virgo! so partnership!
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jUPITER NATAL: Scorp 10th house!
transit: Aquarius 12th house!
yaya
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Urg… so… what if my natal Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct?
Libra/12th House.
Do they cancel each other out?
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