Evolutionary Astro-Biology, Hormones & Myers Briggs

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“Helen Fisher!” Ellen exclaims, pointing at her.

Fisher, a women’s cult figure and an anthropologist, has long argued that falling in love—and falling out of love—is part of our evolutionary biology and that humans are programmed not for lifelong monogamy, but for serial monogamy. (In stretches of four years, to be exact, approximately the time it takes to get one kid safely through infancy.)

Why Him? Why Her? explains the hormonal forces that trigger humans to be romantically attracted to some people and not to others (a phenomenon also documented in the animal world). Fisher posits that each of us gets dosed in the womb with different levels of hormones that impel us toward one of four basic personality types:

The Explorer—the libidinous, creative adventurer who acts “on the spur of the moment.” Operative neurochemical: dopamine.

The Builder—the much calmer person who has “traditional values.” The Builder also “would rather have loyal friends than interesting friends,” enjoys routines, and places a high priority on taking care of his or her possessions. Operative neurotransmitter: serotonin.

The Director—the “analytical and logical” thinker who enjoys a good argument. The Director wants to discover all the features of his or her new camera or computer. Operative hormone: testosterone.

The Negotiator—the touchy-feely communicator who imagines “both wonderful and horrible things happening” to him- or herself. Operative hormone: estrogen, then oxytocin.

FROM THE ATLANTIC & yes, it is a really cool article & all BUT i always get annoyed when these Helen Fisher categories are trounced out like they original. They are just like the elements Fire, Earth, Air & Water or Jung’s Types or Myers Briggs or the Medieval temperaments…Surely. I mean, exchange Aries-Leo-Sagg for the Explorer Archetype, the Earth Signs of Taurus, Virgo & Cap for the Builder,  Gemini-Aqua-Libra for the Director & the Water Signs of Pisces, Scorpio and Cancer for the Negotiator.

BUT i love the hormonal theory…And I love how the male Fire Signs would HATE to hear it was the Air Signs apparently running on testosterone, not them…Apparently baked potatoes produce an immense amount of Serotonin. Also, does this mean that if you are low in one particular element chart-wise or – as Jung et al have it – you have a less-expressed type…that you would benefit from supplementing with whatever hormonal neurotransmitter?

I did Myers-Brigg once at a health farm. They said I was an intuitive extrovert with low dependability. But you cannot always judge peeps with salt-caffeine-sauvignon blanc withdrawal.  The questionnaire had things like: When you arrive at a party, do you (a) dance naked on the table or (b)  Weep in the bathroom?

Oxytocin is – I think – the chocolate, orgasm and childbirth hormone?

Let’s do a quick poll:

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  1. Sweetpea’s avatar

    Oxytocin plays havoc on a woman esp. as they bond easier to men than men do to them.

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  2. Lexicorn’s avatar

    I got really Myers-Briggsy in my uni days. used to be able to diagnosed someone’s MB Personality Type within a 5 min conversation at the pub.
    Was interesting to note that between late teens and late twenties, I transitioned from an INTP to an INFJ – the rational thinker gave way to a more feeling / personal politics type persona.
    Anyway – that’s not what I meant to comment about…

    I’d pick me as a balance between the builder (serotonin) and the negotiator (oxytocin) (as you suggest, a mostly earth and water chart) but have always found myself drawn to dopamine producing experiences – booze, cigarettes, occasional substances, and a travel-junkie. Likewise, I’ve always gone for the testosterone / dopamine type guys.

    Could it be we crave those life / love experiences that will best supplement the hormone we are naturally most deficient in??

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    1. prowlncat’s avatar

      “Could it be we crave those life / love experiences that will best supplement the hormone we are naturally most deficient in??”

      Possibly, but from a biological perspective it would probably have little to do with individual needs and more to do with producing offspring with a good biochemical mix – a survival of the species thing.

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  3. aquaCAT’s avatar

    mmmm… after a few fine wines last night sure would like some serotin boosting baked potatoes!

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    1. cheshire cap’s avatar

      AquaCAT, have you contracted Wine Flu?

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  4. aquaCAT’s avatar

    or serotonin

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  5. year of the fox’s avatar

    I’m sure all the computer nerds out there are like…yeah testosterone makes me hawt!!! LOL!

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  6. matthew-minerva’s avatar

    OMG MYSTIC “nd I love how the male Fire Signs would HATE to hear it was the Air Signs apparently running on testosterone, not them” OMG I WAS LIKE :o WHICH ONE DO I CHOOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    but i did eventually go for the explorer, but damn i do LOVE to argue!
    Matt

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  7. pegasus’s avatar

    HA…that’s Butch & Pegasus with her new long blonde hairpiece!

    Prowin & Lex, that is seriously food for thought, we seek, what we haven’t or more of it, neurochemically wise?
    Bit like astro charts of each other & what’s missing in the houses, but as no 2
    charts are ever the same (is that true?). wouldn’t one want what one was deficient in?

    Smell is so powerful in the compatability of man & woman. I’m surely led by my nose.
    Nobody’s nose knows:)

    Explored the Neutrotropics in the 90’s, natural highs, as was interested in the effects of
    MDMA as much around & dance parties were great places to dance.
    Apparently depletes seratonin long term…..so bad effects on some can be depression.

    Those cute little fairygnomes.

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  8. prowlncat’s avatar

    I read some research ages ago that surveyed the two other primate groups closest to humans (chimps and gorillas) to determine the primary factors surrounding monogamy/polygamy.

    They theorised that the constant variable to measure was penis size!

    Bonobo chimps have the largest penis to body size ratio and are the most polygamous. Bonobo society is matriarchal and they are significantly less aggressive than other chimp groups.

    Gorillas on the other hand are strongly patriarchal, with each tribe being led by a dominant alpha male. They are exclusively monogomous and the males have the smallest penis to body size ratio.

    Humans apparently are in the middle – average penis to body size ratio which backs up the serial monogomy idea. Still I reckon we should take a leaf out of the Bonobo book and make love not war!

    I always find it bizarre that contrary to popular opinion, female driven society leads to more sex and less monogamy overall and it’s males that are sexually insecure and hanker after the institution of marriage.

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    1. nat’s avatar

      Bonobos it is then! Interesting research prowln. Brain size not a factor? :) Funny that we gals so often get typecast as clingy, controlling homemakers… a bit of good old fashioned transference at work perhaps.

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      1. prowlncat’s avatar

        No mention of brain size nat … but seems size does count in other areas? ;)

        Had a bit of a look-see regarding the gorillas though and found info that supports the monogamist idea and others that says they go for the harem thing – one male, many females. So not sure about that one. But so far does seem to suggest that monogamy or exclusivity to one male setup is male driven, not female.

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        1. nebulous virgo’s avatar

          “Exclusivity To One Male Setup Is Male Driven…”

          OK – this is amazing, as just happened to me. And I was wondering, what actually happened… lol. So the story: Was having some thing with a guy, most people would call it an affair. However, the setup was no sex, but spending time with each other, as guy has a family. So we used to meet, stay up late, talk, sometimes kiss, and then usually parted in order not to give in to waking lust. Now, I decided after months of this sexually not satisfying “love affair”, to propose sexual polygamy for me. Thought it was logic, as he having GF, and me having unfulfilled desires. Guess what? The minute I was brave enough to make my point, he decided not to see me anymore!

          So yeah, he obviously is into monogamy on my part, although he was allowing himself a rather bigamic/polygamic concept.

          It struck me that very moment, but now I got some explanation for it. sigh.

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    2. Über Virgo’s avatar

      prowln, you find some gems!

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  9. whatever’s avatar

    I’m not so sure about the looking for what you don’t have thing with reference to astro – if you take into account progressed blahdy blahs and transits doesn’t what you have / don’t have change ? We evolve as we go along? The way you manifest your innate energies will change.

    And myers briggs – lol – those women who invented it had no scientific background and are not taken seriously by some bookish types yet I have always found them to be insanely accurate and there must be something to it.

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    1. Champagne Bearing Aquarian’s avatar

      Myer-Briggs is based on Jungian archetypes, so while it is not based in empirically-tested science, it is not surprising that it makes sense on another level…

      I quite like the Keirsey temperament sorter, which is closely aligned with MB, but has fabulous names for the “types” like “The Fieldmarshal” or “The Champion Idealist” rather than just letters. So much more poetic.

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      1. whatever’s avatar

        Am off to check that one out CBA – I love these thingies they’re FUN.

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  10. Lexicorn’s avatar

    OK Mystic – let it stand for the record that Prowln started this, but as we’re on the topic, I might just bring up a theory I previously promised MM I wouldn’t…
    From personal experience of ex-lovers and a brief survey of gay male and straight female friends – it seemed to me that perhaps a certain fire sign – ok, lets name names, Sagittarius (sorry Matty M), has a tendency to be a little smaller in that department… which arguably can lead to ye olde ’small diq syndrome’ and associated behaviour… On the flip side, their opposite sign, Gems, can be a surprisingly sizeable bunch, and tend towards the more laid back, nothing-to-prove attitude.
    Now – if the fire were on the dopomines and the Air were indeed churning out Testosterone, this theory possibly has even more credit. In fact, I’m considering it proved and will spend the rest of the arvo writing a best selling book about it…
    I apologise NOW for the battle of the astro-bulge that may ensue…

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    1. whatever’s avatar

      I’m not so sure Lexicorn, I am not personally in possession of an appendage but am def the explorer type and am almost entirely air and water – only saturn in aries so am not sure what to make of the overlaying of elementals with the hormonal system. Am always interested in the results of field research tho – and impressed you were able to multi-task and extract date of birth while also observing size of the subjects horn ;o)

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    2. Über Virgo’s avatar

      Not true about Saggos Lex.

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  11. sweet sanity’s avatar

    I’ll have to disagree on this one…

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    1. sweet sanity’s avatar

      I meant disagree with Lexicorn about the Saggos, I’m with Uber on this one.
      xoxox

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  12. bubble’s avatar

    oh god why do i feel a fight coming on ….. :)

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    1. Lexicorn’s avatar

      as long as nobody starts supplying photographic evidence, we should be ok…

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      1. nat’s avatar

        Sorry in advance Mystic, this IS way off topic but too good a distraction from Dark Moon angst to resist… Lexicorn, your research v interesting. Important to ensure a large enough sample to verify your data, but I’m sure you know that being the observant data analyst that you are! Bring on the verbose claims, biffo, the works… My 2 cents on this: best endowed in THAT department was a Libran, my first ever encounter in fact. Naive me thought they would all be busting out of their Y fronts like that… WRONG!

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        1. Lexicorn’s avatar

          And the Air signs score another point on the leader board…

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          1. Lexicorn’s avatar

            hey nat, just realised… the absolute BIGGEST, and it was mighty, I have seen also belonged to a Libran… But ran into him years later when he was in the middle of… TRANSITIONING INTO A WOMAN!! Honestly. I pleaded with him to consider the greater good…

        2. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

          absolute smallest i ever encountered was a Libran.
          Biggest: a Sagg and a Capricorn.
          I don’t think you can tell by sun signs.

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          1. nat’s avatar

            Rising sign maybe?

          2. cheshire cap’s avatar

            :lol: rising to the occasion maybe?

          3. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

            :lol: :lol:

          4. Über Virgo’s avatar

            :lol: :lol: :lol:

        3. cheshire cap’s avatar

          :lol: my first encounter was an extremely impressive Cap, married him, divorced him, then found that there’s no two the same and most are smaller but that’s fine so long as the pilot knows what he’s doing with that joy stick :oops:

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          1. Über Virgo’s avatar

            You’re blushing CC. The biggest evah was a Sagg, but he was a terrible pilot. Take offs okay but landings invariably bumpy. Size: meh.

          2. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

            terrible pilot :lol:
            Oh how lovely to see/hear a bit of laughter during the Dark moon :)

          3. prowlncat’s avatar

            yeah better than the usual shit fight!

          4. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

            oh there was some of that too. Hehe. You must have missed it.

          5. Sweetpea’s avatar

            Told the Pisces that when I was in the vegetable dept., the cucumbers particularly, he often came to mind.

            He said “thank you”…he,he

            Was ultra oxytocin esp. with him. Made my life hell thus my reference at the top…Came across a book that explained how oxytocin works in women, was by a psychologist and it made sense.

            Aries Sun/Cap Moon (trying to stay on topic… :) )

  13. bubble’s avatar

    imagine that ! er may be not

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  14. bubble’s avatar

    ah fuq it ! bring it on (as it were …) :)

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  15. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    I could say something here … but i wont

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    1. whatever’s avatar

      O pleeeease don’t let that cap restraint inhibit your aqua style. You cuspers are my faves and your birthdate in particular has popped up repeatedly in my world in the last few months – all of them have been genius and I’m guessing your insight would be too.

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  16. Luinae

    Dopamine- Cancer Sun/Taurus Moon/Pisces Rising

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    1. Über Virgo’s avatar

      Congrats Luinae sweety, for staying on topic. With astro like yours I imagine you’re very sensitive and creative.

      I’m Oxytocin and mutable city.

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  17. The Leo Socialite’s avatar

    Gemini men are nearly always humungous.

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    1. cheshire cap’s avatar

      I’m related to all the Gem men I know so that’s way too much info…..lalalalalala *covering eyes*

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      1. Lexicorn’s avatar

        OH GOD – you made me remember – my Dad is a Gemini… No!!! But then he’s also Sagg rising – so maybe they cancel eachother out?? Oh God No – must go wash my eyes and brain…

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  18. bubble’s avatar

    and the hits keep on coming !
    so lexicorn who is the mack daddy of em all ?

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  19. Lexicorn’s avatar

    Speaking of Gemini’s… I am blaming my Gemini 10th house, and the Moon going into Gemini for my loose lips starting this whole conversation…
    Now, I have to go to a beautiful, gentle Cancerian’s birthday party… I look forward to reading more compare-and-contrast reports and various other bits of filth when I get back…

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  20. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    Ok here goes nothing .. how am i going to put this? .. Bigger isnt better, admit it ladies. In my experience you see a guy who is huge in that department as a novelty , a must have experience and definately not a long term partner. However you see it , personally i have been blessed or cursed with a huge penis . Im 6ft2 and in proportion except for down there! It wasnt until a few years ago when i visited a crowded nude beach in Noosa to satisfy my curiosity as to what the naturist movement was all about did i discover that i was ah…. well above average. I know its vein to compare one self to others but after endless stares , gasps, sighs, and comments from women and some men of all ages it hit home that i was abnormal, bordering on freak status… As for the chemical thing, theres no real “type of women that i find attractive , its the x factor i guess?? but i can tell you one thing for sure some women secrete a scent that drives me nuts! its very subtle , also a tatse (weird?) And as for women , im no Brad Pitt but ive slept with women who admit that they dont know why they find me attractive “theres just something about you”…. feedback???

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    1. whatever’s avatar

      where’s your lilith damons22/jan? if it’s not rude to ask – I suspect she holds the answer to your “something about you”. Ye Olde X-factor.

      And re the penis size – it’s never been a consideration in my choice of partners – Adventurers will take all comers? LOL.

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      1. prowlncat’s avatar

        apparently adventurers like other adventurers and builders go for other builders …. it’s the director negotiators who like to umm cross pollinate.

        Since I am a director/negotiator does this mean I prefer getting it on with myself??? …….

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        1. whatever’s avatar

          Well that proves it! There’s a building site across the road from my house Prowln and I have suspected this builder on builder thing for quite some time.

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      2. Damons22/jan’s avatar

        whatever, this might sound ignorant or dumb .. but whats a lilith?

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        1. whatever’s avatar

          hey damons – there are no “dumb” questions – lilith is the “dark moon” if you go to astro.com and get your chart hooked up (it’s free) you can select it in the asteroids selection box – Mystic has done some posts on her if you do a search and put lilith or bitch goddess in you will find comprehensive information on her there. She’s fascinating and is seen by some as a more extreme plutonian energy – your inner vamp or vixen. Which is the reason I asked – s persons X factor I have observed is often lilith or uranus oriented.

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          1. Damons22/jan’s avatar

            that is so cool , Thanks! ill check it out . you learn something new every day!

    2. Sweetpea’s avatar

      The Pisces was 6′2 and his friends called him the King Salami….me, as mentioned, called him the cuc (umber…)

      Compared to the brain surgeon who had much to offer materialistically, his winkie was just not sufficient after the cuc….It wasn’t my fault, the Pisces ruined me… :)

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      1. Sweetpea’s avatar

        ” Im 6ft2 and in proportion except”

        My post was in reference to Damons post…..

        Just wanted to clarify…thank you…

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  21. nat’s avatar

    Well Damons, good for you! Feedback? Of course one must see one’s features as a blessing. For me, size would not be a deal breaker in relation to a long term partner. Other things rank far more highly for me (smell would be a physical/chemical one). I think CC is right tho’ when she refers to the importance of piloting skills rather than size per se!
    For the purposes of Lexicorn’s, ahem, pole… & so Mystic doesn’t rouse on us when she gets back, we need to link this with some astro data. I take it you an Aqua. Rising and Moon sign? Jupiter?

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  22. prowlncat’s avatar

    Ok back on topic, although cross my fingers and hope to die I really felt this morning there was a strong connection between the neurotransmitter types and the primate penis research :mrgreen:

    I’m a negotiator/director type which fits the water cancer sun and airy gemini rising astro theory.

    Oh and Lexicorn psssst …. Virgo and Libra *knowing wink*

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    1. Lexicorn’s avatar

      Well I’m glad I didn’t start an all out brawl.
      It was particularly Gem Dark Moon flippant of me to bring my ‘research’ to this forum, but – just like Prowln here, to get back on topic – there was an element of genuine philosophical analysis intended.

      We all know the size doesn’t count, and not necessarily even the skills of the owner – its whether or not he is comfortable and at peace with the thing. ‘Cos unfortunately, when a fella is not so ‘in-touch’ with the old fella, he tends to take it out on those around him. And that’s when men do crazy things like assume office when they weren’t actually voted in, and drag the developed world into pointless wars that are more about him trying to prove his diq is bigger than his daddy’s.

      It does come back to the bonobos and gorillas.

      NOW – think yourselves lucky i didn’t bring up my other theory – that gay men always choose pet dogs that remind them of their penis… On another Dark Moon perhaps…

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      1. nat’s avatar

        Lexicorn, like your phrase “at peace with the thing”. Well said. And don’t be bashful; please share your fabulous theories & “research” topics with us again some time. Especially pre-Dark Moon, when some of us need a bit of fun to escape the darkness. So look fwd to pet dogs in the future – I’ve got a bit to say on that one, but it might quickly cause a brawl!

        In relation to comments on another stream, I was thinking if Mystic needed a little break we could do a roster amongst ourselves to man the airwaves here while she has a break. Of course we would have to be good house sitters!

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      2. postmodscorp’s avatar

        Hah – that would explain the Ford Ute with the miniture pug in the tray….. Poor little thing couldn’t see over the side, and all a pedestrian can hear is yip yip yippity yap and the odd vision of a squashed faces leaping up to peer over the side of said beefed up ute!

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  23. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    Nat i think my moon sign is aries? rising sign ..? Aqua , i hope so but this cusp deal still hasnt been truly resolved , depending on which school of thought you follow or which book you read. Im very familiar with my numerology tho , fascinated by astrology and most mystical philosophy, psychics etc. Prowlncat you are a classic ! nice pic too. This forum is so stimulating ! As for piloting skills , its like anything else , always learning … i put myself last and my partner first and foremost, definately not selfish but i do see myself as a” nice guy” and you know where nice guys come…

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    1. whatever’s avatar

      Nice guys come ideally at the same time as the nice girls they hang with. Reciprocity is a fine thing.

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      1. Damons22/jan’s avatar

        it takes me FOREVER ! dammit..

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        1. whatever’s avatar

          AAAAH you need to find forever girl damons or learn some inverse tantra lol ;o) You appear to be in possession of mythological powers.

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  24. davidl’s avatar

    Dopamine all the way baby, with serotonin an extremely close second, actually both at the same time , please…
    by the way Im not joining in on the penis size discussion right now, got me into trouble last time, but remember there is that old surfing saying, ‘its not the size of the wave its the motion of the ocean’.

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    1. davidl’s avatar

      personally I think its more about endurance…

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      1. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

        hmm, dunno about endurance. I’m not fussed about that so much but definitely like the motion of the ocean. :)

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  25. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    ok so my lilith is in libra , moon aries, definately an aqua. Must pay for a complete chart one day , facinating!

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    1. whatever’s avatar

      Guessing you’re a 72 babe – Lilith in Libra = defender of women and fair minded diplomat who has high standards which makes sense from what you’ve said about your approach to “it” and the doing of – maybe the gals sense the defender of women thing? Which house was she in? the 6th maybe? am guessing due to the 72 guess which may be well wrong but if it is the 6th then you may struggle with projections within intimate relationships – they never seem to be who you they were to start with? Also strangely indicates possibility of snake bites and poisoning from venomous creatures and in the human form that manifests as peeps in your workplace backstabbing because they’re jealous. I was going to mention forever man would only be a problem if you were a porn star and there was a schedule to adhere to!

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      1. whatever’s avatar

        soz that was meant to say they never seems to be who you “Thought” they were to start with.

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      2. whatever’s avatar

        OO just saw your post on the other topic damons (soz I’m a cherry picker and don’t read them all hence my ignorance as to your propensities) and the sleeping with the peeps you work with is totally lilith in the 6th – be careful you don’t pick up a snake bite hon :o )

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      3. Damons22/jan’s avatar

        yes 72 correct and yes u are exactly right about the syndrome i suffer from. Talk about damsells in distress , right up my alley . Mum who was widowed early in the peice and comes from a long line of suffrogets? spelling??? and womens libbers, so you get the picture. Talk about putting the object of my desire up on a pedestal Damn it gets me in trouble every time. I usually get ditched after 3 months then takes a year or two to get over that then a year later ill run into them and wonder what i ever saw in them?… I absolutely adore and worship women and sometimes they see me coming and i really get F*@D over.

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        1. whatever’s avatar

          O I totally empathise I used to have issues with crazy mavericks who were uncatchable by other women but as soon as they got near me who just wanted a bit of fun they’d want to marry me – what makes them want to pin me to a page in their albums I used to wonder – it was the X factor. If you’re at a point where you’re over your “thing” then your sojourn in the desert sounds like perfect timing along with the eclipse – a phase of rewiring and manifesting a new paradigm?

          If you’re interested in some rewiring check this site out – I recently had some crazy life changing epiphanies via the use of along with some other homeopathics (no not nux vomica for those of you who are ticking boxes LOL – Bill?), herbs and flower essences – had a major mental overhaul the likes of which I’ve never experienced before – if you’re open to whatever change they can bring they seem to really work – and in ways you never expected. I’m a tripper at heart tho so this stuff works on me – maybe not for everyone.

          http://www.mindmotivations.com/life-improvement-hypnosis-cds.shtml

          Pretty sure whatever happens in the desert you will come back a brand new man – Luck & bon voyage to you x

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          1. Damons22/jan’s avatar

            Thankyou everyone for your insights and sharing tonite im definately openminded enough to look into the flower essences etc. Im not trying to decipher why the universe has thrust my first love (who has been in a gay relationship for 8 years, now single) and myself back together and especially a trip into the wilderness of the west oz coast and desert. Reunion on the 22nd booked it 2 months ago had no idea of the eclipse dates… In the beginning she told me not to get any ideas etc seperate tents etc. then last week calls me and says well get the sex out of the way first so theres no tension between us, what the?.. should be interesting folks . I dont care if she had a girlfriend ill always love her.

      4. Damons22/jan’s avatar

        72 yes, and excatly right about everything else . I had to chuck in my career last year in highrise construction and in other arenas too . Just too heavy and i cant fight them all on my own. Ive had and always suffered from peeps being jealous god ive had blokes conspire against me and try to physically harm me let alone the mental abuse, they work in packs ive found. Hey i am who i am and im human just want to find my neiche in life and my place in the sun. U know…

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  26. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    And as for technique .. i just do what im told … LOL

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    1. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

      :lol: nice one.
      You should get Mystic to do your chart one day. It’s all about the interpretation of the chart info in my opinion and Mystic does a superb job! She picks up on all the little nuances (sometimes with humour, i might add) that you don’t get from a free web chart.

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    2. whatever’s avatar

      Spare the lash and spoil the child

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  27. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    Yes the free chart doesnt really tell you much and of all the astrologers i find Mystic M to be the funnest and cryptic love her sense of humour too. Now this might sound weird but i have never seen a photo of her and fantacise that she is this uber hot mind blowing sex godess??? sorry…

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    1. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

      i saw her at an astro dinner in Newtown a few years back. Can anyone who attended remember what year it was?

      well, of course she’s an uber hot mind blowing sex goddess!

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    2. davidl’s avatar

      She is Damon….and you are welcome to join the MM priesthood. Believe me being a priest to the Goddess is so much more fun than the other alternative..

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      1. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

        David, were you at my table? I’m sure i sat next to an Aries.

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        1. davidl’s avatar

          no I couldn’t make it that day..I had to wait for another occasion. Maybe I should write a poem or something similar to the poem our old PM Menzies wrote when he met Queen Elizabeth.

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      2. Damons22/jan’s avatar

        Where do i sign up?

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        1. Damons22/jan’s avatar

          im serious…

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  28. Lexicon Limbo’s avatar

    Is it just me or is it sizzling in here tonight??

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  29. Leonine Librarian’s avatar

    Sheez I spend the day sleeping and then the discussion goes all over the place.lol

    I had to really think of what hormone leads the pack in my inner wiring and ended up with dopamine and serotonin with an estrogen chaser…which matches my Leo Sun Taurus Rising and Scorp moon pretty well.

    Once I hang up my creative adventure hat, I do have an honest and uncomplicated love of the spud…it balances out me failing around thinking best case worst case scenarios…when I’m not actually leaping into the mire again.

    Hormones, not just for teenagers.

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    1. scorpalicious robot’s avatar

      how’s your voice LL… are you feeling better?

      I still can’t decide about my hormones. Definitely testosterone then it’s a toss up between serotonin (nothing calm about me at all but i do like routine – 4 planets in Virgo) and dopamine.

      Every time i get blood test done the doctor informs me my levels of testosterone are slightly higher than usual. I just nod “i know… i know” :lol:

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      1. Leonine Librarian’s avatar

        I’m feeling a bit better, and the voice is slowly clearing. I’m trying for an attitude of gratitude, but I’m still having long moments of being truly irritated (with my inability to speak clearly and or any blinding moment of why I may be silencing myself)…

        Keep thinking I have a heap of things I want to get into..and giving myself time for healing is both needed and slowing me down. I’m sick of slowing me down. I’d just like to get to it. There is a part of me wondering if it’s my limbic system intruding ….again grrr lizard brain, because there may be some unconcious fear floating around unseen…it’s the unconcious stuff that drives me nuts(hah) I’d love to on some level go hey a virus is working on my throat area and it will heal…it’s the links to everything that I find hard to ignore….and the tunnelling within to workout the why, why now, why not, that takes up time too. I feel a list looming.

        I’d really like to just feel well enough to leap off into the adventures I want to pursue..with all the stodgy/necessary structural saturn lesson plan underlying it…fueled by spud power. Will get grip.grr.

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        1. cheshire cap’s avatar

          maybe you’re thinking too much

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          1. Leonine Librarian’s avatar

            yeah my analysis skills can go all dark side on me too…

  30. Sweetpea’s avatar

    “not for lifelong monogamy, but for serial monogamy. (In stretches of four years, to be exact, approximately the time it takes to get one kid safely through infancy.)”

    Guess this means that by the time one gets the seven year itch, one could be three years overdue already…Some people just stay for the kids. Like my parents ended up telling me they did because back when, one did not just leave the family.

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  31. starstrokes’s avatar

    Oxytocin is fab for visioning/ I’m a painter & its the drug of choice….

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  32. Scorpinthesky’s avatar

    Hey Medusa,

    Thanks so much for your blog, it makes me a little lighter everyday. FYI I have a great book called “Neo-Liberal Genetics: The Myths and Tales of Evolutionary Psychology” by Susan McKinnon. She very eruditely and convincingly explains the story of evolutionary psychology has more to do with neo-liberal economics than sound physical anthropology. The pleistocene era made our brains all “plastic” apparently, and all the evolutionary psychology about genes dictating behaviour is total crapola. The EP stuff says that one type of physical person is the most genetically attractive to EVERYONE. Which is both depresses and pisses me off. So McKinnon gives me a lot of relief. Universe bless ya babe. I’m in the dark moony shit so thanks for the tips!

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  33. sweet sanity’s avatar

    So back on topic… what star sign has the best boobs??

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  34. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    Li(bra) of course…

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    1. Lexicon Limbo’s avatar

      boom boom tish!

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  35. pegasus’s avatar

    Scorps, thanks for book recommendations, appreciated,as best i have are from others
    advice or the books just jumping out at me.
    So an attractive person is attractive to ALL peeps & places. That makes sense.

    ALL boobs are the Best Boobs.I think Balls should be elevated to the same adoration.
    Both need lightness of touch, respect, gentleness & big OUCH if they are hurt.
    Always think of my boobs as my balls.
    When they’re plumped (naturally of course), i’m pumped:-O.

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    1. Scorpinthesky’s avatar

      If you meant to me, no worries. I really do believe that all boobs and balls are fantastic as well. Human beings are miraculous, and lust I think gives us moments where we really see how divine others are. Balls are the gateway to the universe!!! I would think the Taliban would ESPECIALLY be on my team re that one!

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  36. shell’s avatar

    man, the taliban are going to be all over this post…

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  37. pegasus’s avatar

    Allah Akbar…we are a loose lot.
    Taliban ought to rethink their ideas of what is fun.

    I as a Libertine,prefer to affirm Life not Death by Moral Strangulation, eh Shell?
    THEY suffer small dick syndrome, the Taliban. Their ideaology is a result of sexual
    repression & guilt, only they don’t know it, poor sods.
    Shoot em up with some Oxycodin & Fluroxitine.

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  38. Damons22/jan’s avatar

    Yes,very true the taliban really are a sad ol bunch of party poopers, take themselves way , way too seriously also its beceause there is no surf in Afghanistan and their mummy never loved them and they had to read to Koran all day and werent allowed to play , plus they have small willies.

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    1. shell’s avatar

      or perhaps they are all estrogen men, and are merely expressing an internal struggle with their feminine halves?

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