“…A consciousness of the cosmos, knowing the life and order of the universe. It is considered a higher, yet at present an exceptional peak in human evolution which the race is expected to reach in a distant future.
According to Dr. Richard M. Bucke (1837-1902), a friend of Walt Whitman, some individuals, mostly of the male sex, between 30 and 40, and who are highly developed with good intellect, high morals, a superior physique, and an earnest religious feeling can acquire this consciousness.
Dr. Bucke considered thirteen individuals to have possessed such a consciousness: Gautama, Jesus, Paul, Platinus, Mohammed, Dante, Las Casas, John Ypes, Francis Bacon, Jacob Behmen, William Blake, Balzac and Walt Whitman.
The experience comes suddenly without warning with a sensation of being immersed in a flame or rose-colored cloud and is accompanied by a feeling of ecstasy, moral and intellectual illumination in which, like a flash, a clear conception in outline is presented to the mind of the meaning and drift of the universe.
The man or woman going through this experience knows that the universe is a living presence, that life is eternal, the soul of man is immortal, the foundation principle of life is love, and the happiness of every individual in the long run is absolutely certain. All fear of death, all sense of sin is lost, and the personality gains added charm and is transfigured. In a few moments of the experience the individual will learn more than in years or months of study and will learn much that no study will teach.
Walt Whitman described cosmic consciousness as “ineffable light, light rare, untellable, light beyond all signs, descriptions and languages.”…From HERE.
Holy Aphrodite, blame the Eclipse but i am feeling super-New Agie tonight. Superior male physiques, no fear, no sin, added charm – this sounds fuqing awesome. I wagged kundalini yoga for some convoluted reasons but I am SO signing up for this course.
Tags: Aphrodite, Brendan Fraser, cosmic astrology, cosmic consciousness, Francis Bacon, Jesus, kundalini yoga, male physiques, sin astrology, Walt Whitman, William Blake
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Sounds Brilliant! But Frank Bacon? Really?
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have one-track mind LOL – read ‘Frank Black’!!
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Oh…wrong Frank Bacon, lol!
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Helloooo! Males 30-40: highly developed… good intellect… high morals… a superior physique… earnest religious feeling… Crikey! Where do we find these blokes??? I’d settle for the first 3 of the said cosmic qualities.
Love Walt’s poems. I have a couple his books of poetry. Does anyone recall the name of the poet that read at Barrack Obama’s inauguration? I only heard a bit of the poem but it seemed very good. Even my Mum thinks he is sexy!
This Dark Moon x Solar Eclipse Build Up (x PMT squared) to the power of 11 is doing my head in. So much old crappola & fear coming up… thought I was done with it… but no. Purging one more time. Hubbo flying into Indonesia tonight. Thankfully not Jkta. Hope others are going OK.
Mystic, so glad to hear that your daughter was OK in the Shaky Isles quake.
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Mystic, the experience you describe in this post, that comes without warning and results in much clarity of thought and purpose, reminds me of that wonderful book by CS Lewis (yes, the author of The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe). It is titled “Surpised by Joy”. It is an autobiographical account of his journey from childhood into adulthood and his conversion from being faithless to faithful. Just fascinating!
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LOVE that! – see these two refs to him by me here….
http://mysticmedusa.com/?s=C.S.+Lewis
And THANK YOU Nat – that is so sweet…I had my daughter in an earthquake and my son done for shoplifting. ONLY a protein drink but it was caught on CCTV cameras & voila…Plus the Uranian detoured bk into my life. Am SO trying to do my own Eclipse work for all this.
And yah – those poor peeps in Jakarta..LOADS going on & heaps to process.
Weird that that guy thought MEN most likely to be able to experience cosmic whatever…I mean, really.
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Gosh Mystic, you have it coming at you from all sides by the sound of it.
Eclipsorama! No doubt you will be the strong, clear & loving force to all in your orbit.I remember that post on CS Lewis & his love of Jupiter. Yes, the emphasis on MEN as the chosen cosmic ones is a little turn-of-the-last-century…
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Thanks fr the link, Mystic – great read from your two references. He was such an amazing person.
Possum, I am concerned about the Uranian lurking back into your life. What is a girl to do with so many nutty astro influences at the moment? Good thoughts to you, pet and also to your little ones. Your son is no doubt distressed with the results of his behaviour – I guess the giant taro he was cooking didn’t have enough protein (or was it natural steriods?) he was hoping for. And your darling girl – a scare but no harm to her at all. The blessings are with you.
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WOAH Mystic – A LOT going on!!
I FINALLY got arrested last year…….not sure the Kings Cross cops knew what to do with one tiny girl in 65 inch snakeskin heels, in a 1 inch skirt driving a mini-truck……..but that’s a whole OTHER story!!
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my theory is that women are just as likely to experience it, but men are more likely to crow about it!
most guys i know have egos far too inflated to achieve oneness with the universe.
… or maybe an inflated ego is one of the criteria for someone to claim to have experienced ‘cosmic consciousness’ and been privy to the secrets of the universe. that’s a big call!
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i think the eclipse has finally found me. I’ve been hiding under a sunny disposition quoting over and over detach detach ( r.e tearing myself away from a useles aquarian affair) Who am I kidding . Bring it on eclipse. I’m going to go a have good old leo sulk now and then I’ll feel better. (sun and mercury in leo unfortunate aquarian rising).
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Stay in your shoes, Myst, everything changes.
Boy’s will be boy’s, it’s almost an initiation to be daring this nicking
of things.
Embarrassment is a strong emotion, he won’t do it again, his Leo pride
will prevent him.
Good Luck
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Gosh, I shoplifted heaps as a kid, including all of John Irving’s novels (we had little access to quality literature at home), until my little brother got caught stealing hubba bubba or some crap, then I repented and went straight, (except for once in DJs in Perth when I was in my teens and couldn’t find a shop assistant anywhere to pay for a Jag top)
Getting caught is probably the best deterrent.
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LOL Uber – I got caught as a teen shoplifting books too (John Irving – didn’t he write The Imptce of Being Garp?). My local DJs is so understaffed I’m often exasperated enough to just walk out (but I dont – getting caught that one time was the best deterrent).
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That would be “The World According to Garp” me thinks – long time ago but remember it being an eye opener at the time.
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yep Fellers tht’d be him, the bear cycling down the hotel hallway…..we knew where you were coming from!
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whoops – “Fellers” Feelers…………!!
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spot on pegs, Leo pride
once for me was enough for life.
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Yah, trust some Victorian era egg head to posit that a meagre handful of blokes ‘discovered’ cosmic consciousness when women have always had it and can get on with everyday miracles without needing to write a thesis on it. I mean after the cosmic epiphany someone still has to do the dishes, non?
Bucke probably suffered from multiple orgasm envy, among other things.
Brendan is doing wonders for my cosmic consciousness right now. Can’t wait for autumn.
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LOL.
i agree wholeheartedly.
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brilliant.
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You make me laugh, UV. Such a clever girl!
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Heres a theory i have or a question? …. What if the said beings, male or female had attained these qualities and walked among us , and were many…. would they be the same as Guatama, Jesus etc? would they even bother teaching their wisdom to sentient beings ? after all look what happened to these guys !!!! To be honest without sounding up myself, concieted or a complete meglomaniac , i have these qualities maybe not to the same degree as the peeps mentioned above but im working on it! I can tell you something else theres more than 13 of these souls incarnated on this earth although definately a minority but i sort of get the drift of where hes coming from, do you? Just a thought ….
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Apart from their womb envy, nineteenth century academics were rather elitist. Be out, be cosmic, be proud Damons – shine the light!
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YEAH ! dammit, right on i will …. Its time to leave the cave and venture out into the big wide world again… just be, and do my bit where i can and be beautiful . Thankyou.
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well… men are pure, i guess
it is funny how that part of our gender understanding has completely flipped in the 20th cent. Women as 9 parts desire is very old fashioned.
men are now the bad guys, in most imagining of catastrophe. Where as whitman in particular talks of purity all the time.
it must be a strange time to be a man – and we really do see the result. we should try to be supportive of those that try to overccome the stereotypes of masculinity.
This is me trying to be calm and balanced, after feeling rather cross and despairing of the BF. There are worse things (indonesia et al). I hope everyone will be plunged into a rose coloured happiness soon. bestest of care
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i lament the continuing demise of the ’stereotypes of masculinity’… sigh
venus in aries
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Im single, heterosexual , 37 yr old , surfer. Raised by a single mother been around the block and half way around the world trying to get a grasp on w.t.f is going on with the world and i reckon 90 % of men have no freakin clue and have lost the plot! The other 10 % are on to it but just keep their mouth shut. Seriously … maybe i should write a book ( no, guys dont read ) write a movie script …..? and yes it is a strange time to be a man…
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have you read ‘ don’t tell mum I work on the oil rigs (she thinks I’m a piano player for a whore house’ ?
perhaps inspiration for writing your memoir, should you chose.
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Damons/22jan, good for you. You sound like you are awake. Your 90-10 assessment is sad but probably pretty close to the mark. Hubbo (also a surfer) & I have just read “Manhood” by Steve Biddulph. It was an eye opener – wish I had this book many years ago.
Without being anti-woman, it encourages men to understand what makes them tick and DO SOMETHING constructive about it. He gives some basic starting points on how to live a more real and fulfilling life as a man in today’s world. It is simply written with clear suggestions and it challenges some very out of date, repressed, repressive & defensive male stereotypes. He highlights the importance of men needing physical things to do, connecting with nature and their own spirit.
He also suggests its no wonder so many women are frustrated at today’s men. They want a partner not another baby!
Biddulph’s suggestions about the different educational needs for young boys & girls makes such basic sense. I felt really upset when I realised how many boys are not getting good leadership or guidance from the males in their own families/communities/schools and, as Damons said above end up with no clue & lose the plot. What kind of fathers are they going to make if they only have their own fathers and TV/media for guidance? That very afternoon I saw a group of boys in my town seeking attention in a negative way as explained in the book (and I felt powerless to DO anything about it in the moment).
There are wonderful aware & loving exceptions (including many of the parents on this blog I suspect), but collectively I think society has failed several generations of young boys, espec’ in teaching them about the wonderfulness of being male and the full spectrum of what that means. I don’t think that is the “fault” of the women’s movement as is often suggested – it is not right to confuse the 2 issues. Men are not “victims” of the women’s movement. Women collectively needed a big change and they made/are making it happen, with help from many men. Men collectively need a different kind of change and they need to make that happen for themselves, maybe with help from some women. Its a lot more to do with personal understanding (power) than power broking.
IMHO I think is it more to do with failures in the things that our generations have been focussing on – ie. the collective consciousness. Its surely time for humanity to move forward with more compassion and understanding of what it is to be human and to move on from the oppositional & combative view of gender. I would so love us to ditch the limiting gender stereotypes from the past few decades (the male and the female ones). They have little semblance with actual human beings/feelings and cause a lot of grief. Maybe this is happening gradually?
Sorry about this opinionated rant from me… I’m feeling upset about the whole world today… think I’d better get out into the garden, its a beautiful day.
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Thankyou Nat , i agree with you. Sometimes i think why dont these politions , leaders , bosses , powerful men just chill t.f. out learn how to surf or do something non destructive give the ego the day off now and then and get back to basics. Ill pick up a copy of the book ” Manhood” and read it on the 6 hr plane flight to West Oz on wednsday. Im going surfing, connect with nature and search my soul and hopefully when i come out of the desert and coastal wilderness i might know what to do with my life… ALOHA
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Bon Voyage Damons. Hope your journey to WA brings some thinking time & some clarity for you – altho’ it sounds as if you have a fair bit of clarity going on already. Hubbo is in Indonesia doing the same thing (only WITHOUT the childhood sweetheart that you mentioned elsewhere… I hope!). Laughed at your post below. Honest & funny x
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Nicely put nat. I must read that book by Biddulph, it’s been in print a while.
I’m a whopping feminist, but the feminism I aspire to is liberationist (if that’s a term) i.e. liberation for all – women, children, men – freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom from violence and suppression. I know many men aspire to those things too, but so far it’s been women who’ve been the most proactive in instigating change. I’d love to recruit more guys – especially Brendan and Viggo and…
It’s 40 years since Woodstock and in the words of Joni Mitchell ‘we are stardust, we are golden, and we’ve got to get ourselves back to the garden’
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Don’t you know women just serve to make men impure? lol! We’ll never reach cosmic consciousness now with all this senseless reproduction business! *snort*
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In the triple J hottest 100 of all time, not one female artist…… we have a long way to go.
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SS – am SO with you!!
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hottest100_alltime/countdown/cd_list.htmI mean for fugs sake – Patti, PJ…….DONT start me.
only females were with Dandy’s, Pumpkins, White Stripes & Pixies!!
….tho my seance post was damn sexist…..anything to get Michael (sigh) to my house!! Paula Yates is spewing she’s not even on the door list!
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Liz Fraser from Cocteau Twins sings “Teardrop” with Massive Attack in position 22.
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HOT FOX – thX for upgrading 4 to 5 of 100 have une female, but foxy I smell a rat – in results and all…………;-) x
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probably because blokes couldn’t be bothered voting, just teen girls
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Spesh will find out why / how rigged it is & report back!!
BTW check the link on the Tree Hugging stream – is hilarious x
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I know – I was so discouraged by that!!
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From what the guys in my life have told me, it’s only in their 30s that they learn to get a handle on their testosterone and are no longer a walking erection 24/7. Maybe that’s what lets in the light.
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UM Spesh (hi!!) – LOL but mon market research is NOT inline w yr intel……Mystalicious would be in on this one – wisdom, hotness, ever ready & walking in the light spans age groups in my parts….maybe it’s an Ocean thing? xox
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do you have any brothers or guys who are 100% honest with you? From what I’ve been told the old man-handle works like a barometer from early teens right through their twenties. Depending on what’s passing through their minds, it goes from slightly effected to totally erected and all stops between whether awake or asleep.
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I’m not inferring that these guys aren’t well read, informed and/or well educated. It’s happening in, around and amongst and it’s not enlightenment they’re looking for.
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yeah spesh I get you – aside from tongue firmly in cheek (again!) in mon prev comments – over years few mega friend culls most likely why bucking trends / stats in this stream – the remaining male majority being either surfers or gay! my sis,I & bro-in law, after discussion, agreed that the largest percentile are unenlightened yes…..but in both their world & mine, most walk the light x
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I just realised that my comments might sound critical. Not so. I like my blokes to be blokes and proud of their maleness.
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and as you know,
so do I !
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one thought is; you used to get killed for witchcraft, and girls talk.
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Why guys?
That is all-
Remember reading in Seth Speaks (maybe you remember DavidL), and him saying that Christ for example was a male as the consciousness of the time would not have accepted (or perhaps identified with) a female being evolved in such a manner. Some say the goddess was shoveled under the table in Atlantian times and beginning before, as the ego was beginning to dominate.
The “transfiguredness” spoken of here is traditionlly the third initiation in a series of five which leads to enlightenment.
Christ demonstrated all five but ascended too which means his Soul transmuted the physical body into light body. This may or may not happen after enlightenment..
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also perhaps think about the time he was writing was very patriarchal culture. They’d spent all that time getting rid of those damn pagan women/witches, and thus weren’t going to open the flood gates to questioning of past actions by allowing that women could have ‘good’ spiritual value.
Ie – it’s political.
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Francis Bacon, St. Germain, Archangel Zadkiel, supposedly all aspectually related…
If anyone ever gets the chance to visit Notre Dame in Paris and stop by St. Germain’s alcove inside the cathedral…very lovely, powerful energies there.
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OK … to be honest , at 37 i still want to make love to just about every woman i come into contact with? is this normal? Seriously ive let some awesum opportunities pass me by beceause my would be employer, teacher, colleagues, agents were hot!( for now ive walked away from an acting career , workd with Baz and turned down Spielberg ) beceause i wanted to hump every woman from the costume depatment right up to the assistant directors not to mention girls in the cast , crew, extras, couldnt concentrate or focus on my work W.T.F ? you would think by know i’d have these urges under control… well i suppose i was a late starter… After locking myself away for prolonged periods of time practicing celibacy and hiding out which is no good , we all need to work to make a living and sex is good, ill give it another go and try to COMMIT to a RELATIONSHIP …. Maybe this trip into the West Oz desert will sort me out? Leaving wednsday. See you later ppl , ALOHA
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Bon Voyage Damons!….Have a great time luv..
And really, my ex Pisces bf said to me in his 40’s that it was true (in his experience), that men do think of sex so many seconds, so many times per day.
So, heck. So what? Told my Mom today that the garage guys where I’m getting my car worked on and even the one from Thursday are calling or falling all over themselves… Not because I’m a 21 year old hottie but maybe that I’m female and nice? Not a bitch o rama demanding when my car be done but patient…that goes a long way ladies..
But when one is transfigured (speaking of the thread topic here…) those qualities of the lower chakras are drawn up and transmuted into the heart and head and so one cares less about sex or not…
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Wow ! maybe we should meet ? (there i go again) lol, thankyou Sweetpea ..
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Well, doll, I’m in California but would love to visit Oz one day…x
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You can stay at my house .x
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Oh Dear, I didn’t save for a holiday this summer (esp. the transportation)….Maybe next? he,he
But deal!
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Have a great time Damons, and from what I’ve been told, you’re absolutely normal. You just haven’t met the lovely who keeps your motor running as near as you’ll get to 100% of the time.
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p.s. Ches….The Tauri be home for dinner soon on a regular basis eh?
Plenty of pie making abounds…
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making……something!!
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D – geez you sound like my Ex – a surfer / cinematographer / artist / wild boy genius, who’s also worked w Baz (tripper) & turned down Spielberg – famed for humping his was thru the set…..& over decades been inside so many enlightened disciplines (& some not so) – his FAMOUS sister-in-law put him in intense Scientology detox years ago, but he found it controlling & fraudulent)…….trying to think of one he’s yet to explore, for himself to gain his own opinion. then again that be Aries huh?
embrace yr adventure!
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Luckily and ultimately, opinions don’t count for much. Direct experience does, don’t ya think?
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SP not being prone to vicarious living, agree of course! x
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RE: cosmic consciousness– Laugh all you want! It happened to me!! It scared the living bloody hell out of me for a while trying to explain to people what I meant before I realized that it didn’t matter at all as it is completely ineffable and ineluctable anyway.
So i just whistle away, smiling alot and crying too when necessary. Luckily, I don’t have the total recall of everything I had ever learned anymore as that was too damn weird–it actually bothered me. It freaked out everyone. This was after intense daily yoga, kundalini work and deep daily meditation for years. Now I know how to keep my mouth shut except when someone else brings up this topic. And NEVER argue with religionists–it’s a pointless distraction.
Oh, and I am a female.
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Wow ldeV. Did you have the rose-coloured cloud as mentioned above? Was it really a single, blinding flash type of event? Hope you don’t mind me asking.
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Hello again~~it was a conglomeration of events/experiences. The first big “thing” WAS actually a flash of light that came out of everywhere–an incredible luminescence of almost unbearable intensity, some kind of ground luminosity. Then began seizures of energy moving up my body in overwhelming power, which would happen with regularity but no predicability. Then the “time collapse” started–I would just be walking along, making dinner, taking a bath or whatever, and I was also concurrently living a previous moment in my life at the same time. THAT was uncanny–this went on for a little over a year. I could remember everything. I could also predict–which was highly creepy to my children and husband, but did save the car from getting crushed by a tree branch one time. Many days I spent entirely in a state of “synchronicity” which had a feeling akin to “bliss” about it. I hated it, actually, for a while, until I grew into the letting go of judgement and comparison. Then what I call dream injections started, and I would be awake and engaged in daily life and an entire dream I had had would enter my consciousness in one fell swoop, like hearing a complete symphony all at once. That happened over and over, and still happens. Each of those two processes would be accompanied by a global emotional resonance with whatever was going on in my life at the time of the collapse/injection. I feel like I was developing unshakeable compassion for myself which gradually began to turn outward and soon nothing bothered me anymore. I had this perspective of non-attachment which didn’t make me complacent, but more as though I came to realize that our fears, guilts, confusions, mistakes are really just emergent illusions brought on by not understanding that all time IS one time, and even what seems like “undoing” is completely balanced in the fullness of time.
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You know, I forgot to say what else changed which is also of some importance. I divorced my unsupportive, abusive, bullying husband, moved to a smaller townhouse, got rid of the car (i ride EVERYWHERE now, and yes, even in California!), started a garden, quit drinking alcohol, and sleep on the floor (for some reason i like it better).
Stay free!
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don’t be sorry, that was a great explanation of your experience, I love the dream injection part, I’d say you had special attention from a being or beings that loved and cared for you enough to get you into the life you have now…all time is one time, understanding and dealing with that is beautiful, thanks dv.
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yes, thanks for sharing deVries. It all makes sense to me.
I like the idea of unshakeable compassion for oneself turned outward. And non-attachment is always a bit tricky but probably because i keep telling myself so.Gee, i’ve had so many insights the last couple of days.
Everything is perfect just the way it is.
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had career enlightenment yesterday – this week sis & I decided on spontaneous trip to India next month…..& yesterday the overdue next genius idea chimed in…..as did a lifelong friend not seen for decades – her influence lead me to ditch law school for design school! she be on the ground EXACTLY where we are going, having lived there for 6 years. aside from that – we used to super best friends. spent yesterday planning our route thru Rajasthan – as new biz partner chimed in!
stay tuned!
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An Epiphany, penny drops, the light switches on, as Ubes says you still do the dishes but the bubbles
are brighter, you are aware of the ingredients in the detergent, where the water is from & every aspect of what you are physically doing & using = Holistic Thinking = Awareness= Responsibility.
Am i taking tea to China here with this Sat am rave?While the Moon was in Taurus last night a friend arrived with everything i love: NZ Sav Blanc, 2 doz S.A’s finest oysters direct from farm, Chicken Tikka, Lingerie & Money….. still said i would not marry him!
Freedom is intoxication for me.
Sweetpea you have been into the Ascentionists. It is the Words that are beauteous. Isn’t there 144 Ascended Masters
beings. What about ‘walk-ins’, this is a strange belief, and yes, that’s ALL they are, beliefs & opinions
until soo many peeps are thinking the same thing at the same time which i maintain manifests then solidifies as in ‘thought forms set in concrete’
material.
David laughed when i said i had done “Mens Studies’ as the girls were dong ‘womens studies’!
Have now reached 20.000 men. Under my hands & interviews.
Was joking about a workshop for women titled ‘All you need to know about Men’.
It would be 5 minutes duration & 55 minutes of Question Time…..ha ha.
When is start to feel too sad for the men, i bring out Kwan Yin = Compassion, it’s not their fault,
& i have bighuge empathy for them.
To do my work of enlightenment, my Goddess cards get me thro’ any of MY blocks.
Lillith came out last week & when i’m angry, it’s Kali & so on, but it’s Isis that i rely on.
My Mantra is ‘keep everything new & in motion’.Are we God’s having a Human experience or Human’s having a God experience?
I ask:)
SURFERS,, PILOTS & ANAETHETICIANS have more of a handle on life, i have found.
The similarity is they all work with an altered state of consciousness, OCEAN, SKY & BREATH…QED.The book,if eva ,about men & women will be titled:
PANDORA’S BOX & THE GOD ROD.
Like it?
Funny it’s my job, getting the Endorphins to secrete by visualising a HoneyComb dripping with Honey
as it is cellular thing & ALL know about royal jelly, propolis etc meaning it’s Universal & easy.
Universal meaning it’s a Truth for Everybody, not just some.Thank you all for allowing me to practise, much appreciated…..a thousand kisses deep.
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Dick Bucke, sounds like he’s describing near death experiences, lots of similarities. But really and truly I mean, FFS!–
mostly of the male sex, between 30 and 40, and who are highly developed with good intellect, high morals, a superior physique, and an earnest religious feeling can acquire this consciousness.
What a load of shite. ‘Superior physique’ is where you’ll hear the alarm bell going off. D’uh. LOL’s right.
This birk, has NO IDEA what he’s talking about.
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OMG.. HOW HOT IS/WAS BRENDAN FRASER?! Pity he can’t act that well..
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Does he act? I hadn’t noticed.
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Firstly I would describe cosmic consc. as unity consciousness, or the understanding and knowledge of oneness. I will say that in my mid 30’s i did reach a high level of CC, although one could describe it as a moment, a moment that was built up over a number of years work. Once the moment has come on, and it is quite like a drug, its sorta down hill from there. Cosmic c. is a difficult state when one needs to survive in this ruthless world of carnivores. It now resides within me , like a pilot light that can be turned up, usually by people who really would like to know about my journey and maybe get some tips, or by being alone in nature. Cosmic consc. is also just a clear understanding of your own constitutional position in the universe. When you live in 3d land, one must focus here, not in some alternate higher dimension, thats just missing the point.
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Reminds me of the Zen saying: Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
(do dishes, pay bills, deal with dickheads etc)
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I’d describe cosmic consciousness as a clear penetrating light, the knowledge and understanding of everything. Starting firstly with oneself, in our most simple and obvious expression– the body. Having consciousness would be to know at ‘will’, what every single cell in our body and the thousand triilion, trillion atoms are doing at any one moment and why. I guess I set the bar fairly high as regards ‘consciousness’. There is such a VAST enormity of stuff, even on the physical/material plane of which we are completely unconscious, let alone the even bigger realm of the non-material.
Still there is plenty of opportunity to attempt to wake up and become more ‘aware’ of the
truereal, nature of our existence. Maya shrouds our view for good reason and very few people make the enormous efforts and sacrifices required to struggle against being devoured by a world of ‘appearances’. Working on becoming more aware of all we can readily sense, is a start to becoming just a little bit more conscious.But cosmic consciousness? Knowledge and understanding of the entire cosmos? . . . It’s a big claim.
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So true. I wouldn’t be trusting a crusty Victorian era academic with defining cosmic consciousness. It reminds me of academic takes on Nirvana in western university texts- in the first 30 000 words they take great pains to point out how indefinable and indescribable it is and in the next 30 000 words they proceed to attempt to define and describe it. No one’s any the wiser by the end.
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not sure if any one soul could know everything ? thats putting the bar pretty high. My understanding is as I mentioned before, the idea and understanding that you are connected to everything, that we are all family, humans, animals and plants, that we all have our place and wherever that place is, being perfect in the expression of it, and content with it. The work is to find the sentient beings that we feel disconnected from and clear that barrier. The value of true connection is not having to know everything but having access through our connections to all knowledge.
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Thank you for sharing your understanding David. That is a beautifully succinct explanation.
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davidl, we’re in total agreement about the impossibility of one soul knowing everything and/or then being able to understand it. What a burden that would be!
Cosmic consciousness, sounds grand, but attainable? Once you get even the tiniest bit pedantic about what these words actually mean it becomes a very much more remote idea.
We’re always talking about making ‘conscious’ decisions, but what exactly are we conscious of–exactly? My teacher gave me a hard time about assuming to be conscious, even though I meant it at the time in the medical sense! But he made a point of making sure I understood the full meaning of what I was assuming to be and I’ve never forgotten this rare and gentle berating of me in this regard. However, this is not to dissuade in any way, anyone’s strivings to gain a little bit more it, in fact it’s what I think we’re here to try and do/become.
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yeah it does sound grand, though i actually think that if the universe is a benevolent one , the answers to the important questions must be elegant, simple and quite easily obtained, so as to be possible for ‘all’ people. That’s where we go wrong in the west, everything becomes so complex, intellectual and hi faluting that the simple basic truths are hidden. Anyway the type of truth that is only available to a ‘certain’ type, or one that needs many years of intellectual rigour, isn’t a universal truth, its usually the ego playing tricks..
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well said davidl. Simplicity is the key. But it can take time to figure that out sometimes! We humans are just SO good at over complicating everything. Compassion is another simple concept, but again we must overcome our own ego or fears to achieve it.
The word consciousness itself is possibly too hi-falutin for most. Awareness or presence seem less complicated concepts. I feel very closely connected with nature but even so I still catch myself rambling on defensively about someone or something, forgetting that yes, we are all connected as you said above.
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Where we’ve gone wrong in the west is believing only in a reductionist materialist view of the universe and denying the existence (or trying to) of anything that cannot be repeatedly proven by a bunch of scientists in lab coats under controlled experiments. And I’d guess we’re in furious agreement. A materialist view of the universe seems to have coincided with our ‘free’market encouraging us some might say forcing us, to develop our personalities at the expense of our essence in order to compete with one another for ‘the little bits of green paper’. Not terribly compassionate really, in fact pretty fucking stupid and I think the state of the world stands as testament to this.
Lots of seeds are sown true, but self-knowledge comes at a high price. It is devastating to the ego, to see what a dickhead one has been and that ego and personality are not who or what we truly are. If it were easy to achieve enlightenment, more people would. Clearing out the vessel from a lifetime of heavy emotional states and negative thought patterns and resisting them as best we can is not unfortunately a walk in the park and so very few bother. Fortunately we are not as the ‘west’ might have us believe, ‘units of productivity’ or gormless/hapless ‘consumers’, and we do get lots of help from a variety of sources if we point our little starship at something more enduring. The choice is ours, which keeps us free and that’s a good/compassionate thing.
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Link you’ve described my sentiments on the subject perfectly – couldn’t have said it more succinctly meself, particularly regarding the malignant cancer that is our free market economic setup and the subordination of our spiritual essence to that of passive consumerism, pointless individualism bordering on mass egomania and endless obsession with Self.
I agree it’s not an easy path to go beyond ego self (I’m on it, the truth is painful) in order to find true self and connectedness, but I do have faith that the price I have to pay – ego deflation, letting go of obsessive accumulation (just another defense mechanism) etc – will be well worth it eventually.
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Bring on the Great Mystery…
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Mindfulness is very user friendly.
There was more Clarification of Consciousness in your explanations
than ANYTHNG i have read…………..beautiful. I am grateful to have rapport with you.
Awareness is attainable & sustainable. Peak experiences, the Endorphin Effect, is an MDMA
like feeling….connectedness. The woed ‘religion’ i believe means to ‘connect or reconnect’.
It’s how often we have these peak experiences, some a few times a day, some a few times a year, some rarely & then don’t know what it is they are experiencing.
As the Ruth Ostrow quoted( from whom:?) Name it Claim it & Tame it.
That made so much sense to me.
Funny, i said to a friend recently; Don’t worry about it, i complicate EVERYTHING.
Kinda if ‘you can’t convince them, confuse them’.
……….Saggo’s can be like that.TeeHee.
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Anyway, i thought complicating things was called SCIENCE.
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Understanding was META-PHYSICS.
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My hair stood on end reading some of the above comments – huge gratitude from me to all of you for the wisdom, fun and interconnectivity shared in this forum.
Having shite time right now – but taking it as time to listen, learn, and evolve, and to read and take joy in the small things. As you said UV – Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. Thats me right now – one step at a time, the journey defines the destination.-
Post Mod – love, strength & perserverence to you!!
according to Louise Hay – personal evolution begins with raking up muck to clear. from memory her ananlogy was akin to cleaning the Thanksgiving baking dish. to clean one must 1st scrape off all the crap, causing more mess, pre the desired sparkling end result. xox
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how encouraging that enlightenment is not uncommon!
no women – in government and uni aswell, not just no women in enlightenment! not a bit of sense can i see in that. no idea why
why is ‘religious fervour’ required, that’s another tricky one.
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aha… this would prob explain my attraction to men my friends and i dub as having the “sexy jesus” look…
’sexy jesus’es are bearded, sporting tans and muscles that could only occur through 40 days and nights of spiritually- motivated desert pilgrimage and have tendency to be generous lovers… [which could also occur from 40 days and nights alone in desert]…
so according to this dude my love antennae have been tweaked twds the enlightened male and not just some weird suppressed ‘jesus love’ that my friends suspected had caused my taste in men… [ i will add i grew up agnostic!]
this IS good news
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