Pluto in Capricorn & the G.F.C.

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G.F.C. for Global Financial Crisis sounds vaguely unwholesome. Too much like K.F.C. Has anyone got a more evocative term?

Anyway, Alan Greenspan backing bank nationalisation in the USA feels super-revolutionary. Forced growth indeed. Am not trying to turn this into an economic-political blog at ALL but this is radical & Pluto is only, i don’t know, TWO degrees of Cap right now.

My son was telling me last June that he’d met some financial planner some place who said there would never be a recession for all these reasons. And I said, with all my astro-authority that come December (Pluto into Capricorn) there would be the beginning of a recession/depression/financial shite unlike any we had ever seen before. And he was like “Woah, you sound like some scary soothsayer dude…” But, yah.

And then the other day he asked when it would get better – the G.F.C. – astrologically. And the first thing that came into my mind was that the actual trending  upward again, post-reformation et al would most likely be when Uranus went into Taurus  & began to trine Pluto…”So,” said my son, brightening, “is that soon?”  He trusts Taurus energy, has it rising and thinks every Taurus he knows “really has their fuqing shit together.”

“2018,” I said. “BUT,” I had to add this whilst running after him. “But Neptune in Pisces sextiles from January 2012 and that could be really good.” He looked really doubtful. “It’s still a long way away….And isn’t Neptune drugs and artists?”  He listens! Finally i said that i think it will improve when Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) goes Direct in May. He rolled his eyes. “Is there anything next week?”

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  1. orangeblossom’s avatar

    HaHa I’ve been joking about the kfc / gfc thing – I do like it, don’t u think they kind of go hand in hand – kfc as metaphor for banking crisis? Old authoritarian ex-military guy dressed in white (but the black tie gives him away) seemingly pure and wholesome foists unwholesome treats on unwitting but they should know better because nothing that fast is good for you public who then consume so much of it they become addicted to the badness and lazy about making nutritious food themselves, end up bloated and sick, needing to go on a diet and eat some fruit and fibre? Just like when you have to go on a spending diet and pay off the credit card cos you bought too much nasty modular furniture at Ikea one weekend when you felt like you needed to sort your life out and fast cheap and cheerful was the answer? Soon there will be reality tv about how to sort out your debts – or would that be classed as a documentary?

    When we were skyping one day, my friend in new york had the camera turned on and we both swear IKEA is good for some things – one or 2 items like shelves or whatever to complement the stuff that’s real because we will all end up living a cloned life a la socialist sweden if we commit completely to the Ikea way (and I don’t like the smell of it and I’d rather pay someone to make something and support tradespeople locally). So I’m looking at her room and we both end up laughing hysterically because we both have this idea about one not wanting the cloned existence and lo and behold, one in OZ the other in the USA have both bought exactly the same one or two things. Lovely

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    1. xox rockstar libran publicist xox’s avatar

      visited IKEA H.Q …4 hour flight sth of Stockholm, one tour of duty. Ikea catalogue’s highest circulating print document after the Gideon Bible – can you equate how much clout that holds w global software companies / printers / contributing manufacturers tendering for IKEA biz? they have largest photographic studios in Europe. staff log in / out of each sector of sprawling IKEA compound – tres big brotheresque!!

      http://www.eatock.com/project/thank-you-photographs/ – found this today – 4th pic funny!

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      1. orangeblossom’s avatar

        OOOO that IS funny – it was written in the sky ;o)

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    2. orangeblossom’s avatar

      isn’t nationalising banks kind of like socialism? Capitalism is the new communism has also been bandied about at my house for a while now. I don’t trust banks but I’m not sure I trust the government with my $ either. They’ve been forcing me to put aside 9% of my wages for the “future” for years and now some of its gone. My wages have been gambled away and as someone who experiences a bit of luck on the geegees due to horse training ancestry and knowledge passed down (obviously not always 100% but better than guessing) I would have rather got on down to the track and done it myself, it would have been more fun.

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  2. hazelblackberry’s avatar

    Mystic,

    The saga continues! I’ve sent you a message from my work address with the subject, “message from hazelblackberry”. HOPE you got that or the world has, indeed, gone completely mad.

    Cheers,
    hb

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  3. Fishgirl’s avatar

    Love it Mystic!!

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  4. xox rockstar libran publicist xox’s avatar

    don’t let your son read if the Chinese Mineral deal flops predictions of 4% loss to Aust GDP finger a recession http://www.smh.com.au/national/recession-looms-as-chinese-get-tough-20090218-8bg5.html

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  5. not-so-virginal’s avatar

    oh god 2018!

    so what do we do until then? survivalism?

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  6. bull w sting in tail’s avatar

    09, ohh, nein

    Make the best of 09
    Cant say it will be fine
    Keynesian fate in 08
    Ghost of FDR to shut the gate
    Billys have bolted,
    Millys have moulted
    Prollys have stalled
    And Pollies appalled
    But thus we are called
    For all that was auld
    When leaving a mark
    On a cave wall was scrawled.

    APS

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  7. taurean alchemist’s avatar

    bull!

    you’re back??

    long time no see :)

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    1. bull w sting in tail’s avatar

      Cheers, TA’

      Been scanning tho,

      You have been thin on the ground your self, but twas to be expected

      Hope the new lifestyle/home is a sound one, big changes past a bit non?

      :-)

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  8. xox rockstar libran publicist xox’s avatar

    re GFC & KFC – dyslexia here converts RLP to RIP …………

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    1. orangeblossom’s avatar

      haha – better to live in peace RIP – bad finger wrangling here often turns blossom into blowworm – it gets a chuckle every time – I wonder if the other blossom has the same thing.

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      1. xox rockstar libran publicist xox’s avatar

        in my mind you’ve always been cherry…..I’ve asked this before, why orange?

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        1. orangeblossom’s avatar

          haha sometimes I eat so much I could pop – it’s the hair & also one of my fave colours.

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        2. orangeblossom’s avatar

          have you seen the outsiders RLP? Rob lowe Matt Dillon Diane Lane etc first film – coming of age film Diane Lane’s character is called Cherry. Haven’t seen it for years but it was pre 16 candles etc but same genre – more intense – less sugar.

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  9. cheshire cap’s avatar

    I’m optimistic enough to think that Pluto in Cap will bring about it’s own resurrection because Cap is sound structures and real value and Cap can’t ever stop working for a strong result. As structures crumble the nature of Cap is to find the gold remaining and set it on the correct path but scrap what’s not working. All that Cap energy working like a phoenix for a better tomorrow has to create something and it’s working NOW, slowly and patiently as is the Cap way. The fixing and re-building is happening. And Cap excels at tying up loose ends. Nothing can stop the huge Pluto birth struggle and with Cap ideals, brilliant! Brave New World!

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  10. cheshire cap’s avatar

    PS….and with this happening personally in my first house, I can feel it happening as strength returns and I ditch old baggage. I’m ten foot tall and bullet-proof.

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  11. Stress Princess’s avatar

    GFC – I guess you could do the pop cultural J-Lo type thing so it becomes “G-Lo”. Depressions are known as “lows”, it’s global, values are dropping “low”. Just a thought.

    I, too, was smug when the stockmarket crashed and I had been telling everyone for months it was bound to happen (due to my reading of this fabbo site as well as Astrobarry, StarIQ, etc). Of course, the G-Lo isn’t exactly reason for smug self-satisfaction at ALL, but I like the idea that it was forecast by those in the astro-know!

    Better get off the computer. Storm coming. And on an unrelated topic, I too have noticed the number of bats around now! I can’t sleep due to bats in my trees distrupting the many crows who sleep there too! Ahhh!!
    xx

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  12. davidl’s avatar

    The GFC is just chapter 2, (chapter 1 being 911), of the end of the western world as we know it. The big problem is that right now, no one can value an asset, when you can’t do that the capitalist system falls over. The next century will be owned and run by the Chinese and Islam. This means that probably within the next 30 years sites like this just wont be allowed to exist. Then again maybe the aliens will come and save us poor whities.

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    1. orangeblossom’s avatar

      So much else happened in the world on September the eleventh 2001. I wish the date itself hadn’t been highjacked and wasn’t being used in perpetuity as a symbol of something so much more far reaching than the day / numbers themselves. My money’s on the Indians for the next century and the whole alien will save us thing is (hopefully) a joke but it is indicative of the need for people to seek external aid or some kind of higher power to intervene and save them from themselves. The Islam issue has always existed as have the Christian and Jewish ones – although it appears historically your tribe had dibs on the idea David. It’s extremists we have to be aware of not any particular style or genre.

      I like Pluto, I like the way it makes people shine a light on the dark and see what motivates them and the people / situations around them. I think people will come out of this a lot more aware of themselves and their motivations – a bit of hard work never hurt anyone – that seems like quite a cap saying.

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    2. cheshire cap’s avatar

      Remember the old school poem…We’ll All Be Ruined Said Hanrahan….you sound a bit like that Davedl

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      1. davidl’s avatar

        my mother in law reminds me of that old school poem…carefull CC.

        Look Im not a pessimist by any means, but I am a realist. Have a look at the end days of the roman empire, the persian, etc, all the same symptoms are there , all the pointers. Im not saying its a future that is worse than our current one just a hell of a lot different.

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        1. cheshire cap’s avatar

          I think you’re looking at the worst possible scenario Davidl and that’s very unRam. There’s so many hidden factors in all situations and todays society has a few more aces up sleeves than in the times of the fall of the roman and ottoman empires. Mother Nature can and does change history and economies and the Master’s of Greed won’t give up the balance of power without one hell of a fight. China’s had the ability to wipe out the stock exchange for years by take-overs but the boys in the background are fighting. Complete simplification, I know but I feel an astro thread isn’t the place for complex international banking discussions.

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        2. not-so-virginal’s avatar

          yes funnily enough i think the big fish have more to lose and the little people like myself will still be here in a century, two centuries, plugging along, still being ‘little people’.

          I’m reminded of the old Italian man in Catch-22.

          life is life wherever and however it is lived. even Muslims and Chinese people find much reason for happiness in their day to day lives? survival is all.

          but davidl, if it’s all doom and gloom, do you plan to do anything about it?

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          1. orangeblossom’s avatar

            OH NSV – my favourite book – I like “it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees” what a clever man – took him 8 years to write that book. So much wonderful symbolism and word trickery – you’ve reminded me I should read it again. I think the die on your feet quote was the old italian guy too.

          2. davidl’s avatar

            Im not saying its all doom and gloom, just a new regime…

          3. orangeblossom’s avatar

            Have you read Catch 22 – even if you already have do it again David – it’ll make you laugh.

            Because I have wacky psychic experiences – I suspect passed down ancestrally because I am so NOT meditative OR living a monk like existence – I understand and empathise with your knowing when things are going to change at warp speed and get all roller coasteresque. The thing with knowing everything’s going to turn to shit is that it doesn’t actually help you to deal with the shit when it happens – it just makes you aware at some point it will. Sometimes the sense of impending doom ends up being worse and lasting longer than the shit. For this reason it’s important to focus on the good shit and the shit you actually have some part in – the micro not the macro. If everyone looks after their micro the blow from the macro may not be as long or as hard. Appreciate the people and things around you now David, that way if the big crazy bad thing happens you made the most of them while you had them.

          4. orangeblossom’s avatar

            sorry if that sounds pious – it wasn’t meant to be.

  13. Multiple Pisces’s avatar

    Aquarius Papers has been saying for some time that things look very bright for humanity from about 2020 onward, but that we have considerable ‘forced growth’ until then.

    This ‘crisis’ is the inevitable flipside to the unsustainable trajectory we were on. Old paradigms created the problem, and so it is not old paradigms (‘let’s spend our way out of it’) which will alleviate.

    What we have is a beautiful opportunity to assess our values and refine our ways of living.

    Because the universe keeps sending the lessons until we learn. And things could be much, much worse than this.

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    1. orangeblossom’s avatar

      YES exactly MP – it’s just some earthly elemental energy we need to get a handle on – how to harness its energy without it taking over and becoming unbalanced. I have a feeling it will get worse for some people though.

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  14. Mystic Medusa’s avatar

    David L don’t start! I can’t imagine how dull my site would be if i had to run it thru propaganda censors.
    This from Tina Brown is interesting though;

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-02-18/the-naked-truth/

    SO TOTALLY Pluto in Cap;

    “…The sinister feeling that’s begun to take hold is that maybe this staggering, contagious collapse we’re living through is a necessary outcome that should not be thwarted. As consumers we’ve all been living on borrowed time as much as borrowed money—and deep down we knew it. And now Obama’s “rescue plans” don’t really feel like rescue plans at all. They feel like just another deluded way to postpone the inevitable reckoning. Even as the whole world tries to hang on to its job, there is also this weird parallel sense—almost a covert longing—that the old corrupt structures on which that job depends needs to be, ought to be, swept away…”

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    1. davidl’s avatar

      Myst, I read the story….I still don’t think people understand yet how much things will change. This week alone 3 large mining companies are dropping their pants and selling out to the Chinese. These aren’t Chinese entrepreneurs this is the Chinese govt. The same govt. that murders thousands of its own citizens on an annual basis. The same govt. that sees no need for animal cruelty laws.
      People are still fudging around the edges on what changes might be helpful…the sooner they realise that the game is up and that the ‘first’ world has done nothing but screwed itself by successfully screwing everyone else for about the last 300 or 400 years. This is not a short term situation, this is the beginning of the end of eurocentric control of the planet. These changes happen every few hundred years, its quite normal, just a bit shocking for those who usually have nothing more to worry about than their fave fetta not being available at the organic grocer.

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      1. Taurean Girl’s avatar

        Michael Lutin (Where’s The Moon? link to left) is worth reading on this subject.

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  15. Uranian&Plutonic Virgo’s avatar

    Hahahaha, that’s fuqing funny “Is there anything next week?” :lol: rotflmao!!!

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